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PETE ROSE BATS

November 13 2005 at 3:16 AM Chris (tracyleilani@hotmail.com) (Login SDteams (http://www.network54.com/Profile/SDteams))

Does anyone know the length & weight Hellerich & Bradsby (LS) model S2 bat Pete Rose used during his playing career?
Chris


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ray doyle
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November 13 2005, 12:02 PM
according to vince malta's book his s2's were 35 or 36"'s and weighed between 33 to 38 oz's hope this helps


Chris Wilson (tracyleilani@hotmail.com)
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Pete Rose Bats

November 13 2005, 1:56 PM
Hi Ray,

Thanks for the help. I have a Pete Rose signature model LS S2 that shows very strong game wear, but is only 34" / 32oz. Most likely the bat was a team ordered bat & used by another player --- or a minor league player.

Thanks again for your reply, it is most appreciated.
Chris


Mike Specht (Jackitout7@aol.com)
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Pete Rose H & B Model S2 Bats

November 13 2005, 2:36 PM
Hi Chris--

Here is the info on Pete Rose Model S2 bats from the H & B factory records. Pete's first order of Model S2 bats was shipped on 2/17/64 and measured 34 inches in length and 31 ounces(9 bats). Throughout the remainder of the 1961-1964 labeling period he made orders of S2 bats in the following dimensions: 35 inches/33 ounces (30 bats) and 36 inches/33 ounces (12 bats).

During the 1965-1968 H & B labeling period, Model S2 was Rose's bat of choice.Throughout that period he made one order of S2 bats measuring 34.5 inches/33 ounces (6 bats). He also ordered S2 bats that were 35 inches in length in weights of 33 ounces (12 bats) and 34.5 ounces (6 bats).The vast majority of his S2 bats during this labeling period were 36 inches in length, and weighed between 32 and 36 ounces (429 bats), with 33 ounces and 34 ounces being the most common weight.

During the 1969-1972 H & B labeling period, Rose only ordered Model S2 bats during the early part of the labeling period. All S2 orders during this labeling period were 36 inches in length and weighed between 33 ounces and 34 ounces (121 bats). His last order of this model during this labeling period is dated 8/18/70 (All-Star bats). His last regular order is dated 3/23/70. At that point Pete switched to primarily Model S222 bats until 1975, at which time Rose began ordering a range of different models.

There is no documented evidence in H & B factory records that Rose ordered any Model S2 bats for game use between 8/18/70 and the end of his playing career in 1986. Note, however, that many Pete Rose Model S2 bats were ordered for promotional reasons from 1986 through 1997. These orders were sent to "Baseball Promotions," "Baseball Miscellaneous," Mead Chasky Sports, Pete Rose Promotions, Ison Sports Marketing, B & G Promotions, and others. These bats, from the 1986-89, 1990, and 1991-97 labeling periods were sent in lengths of 34 inches and 34.5 inches most of the time, a length shorter than the majority of Rose's game used bats.

The rule of thumb in Rose Model S2 game used bats is to find one manufactured during the 1961-64, 1965-68, or 1969-72 labeling period measuring either 35 or 36 inches in length. There has always been controversy and disagreement between collectors about Rose's use of S2 bats during the 1973-75 and 1977-79 labeling periods. His use of that model during the 1970's is not supported by factory records, however was reported as having been witnessed by reputable members of the collecting community.

Good Luck in future collecting.

Mike

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Chris Wilson (tracyleilani@hotmail.com)
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November 14 2005, 12:15 AM
Hi Dave,

Thank you for taking the time to reply, so in-depth, to my question. If I email you a scan of the manufacturer's label would you be willing to take a shot at dating the bat for me? My email address is tracyleilani@hotmail.com

Please contact me and I'll forward a number of very detailed scans of the bat for your review.

Warmest regards,
Chris