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Birdbats
09-13-2007, 03:02 PM
Let's pull our resources together and try an experiment. It seems a few of us have been trying to interpret the numbering code on Sam Bats. For fun, I went through the Sam Bats I own and have sold, and also checked out a few online (eBay and retailer sites). I recorded the dates and code numbers on the barrel ends. Here's what I have so far:

Year-Date-Code-Player

2000 09/18 T.M. Tino Martinez
2001 05/24 A.P. Albert Pujols
2001 07/10 A.P. Albert Pujols
2002 02/18 J.D. Jeff DaVannon
2002 04/23 753 Albert Pujols
2003 02/15 2180 Kerry Wood
2003 03/27 2170 Eric Chavez
2003 04/30 2848 Matt Morris
2004 04/12 4442 Matt Morris
2004 05/19 4813 Jason Marquis
2004 08/04 4866 Marlon Anderson
2005 07/20 6507 Albert Pujols
2006 02/03 6848 Albert Pujols
2006 03/12 7545 Albert Pujols
2006 03/13 6848 Albert Pujols
2006 03/20 6896 Jay Gibbons
2006 04/19 7016 Ryan Howard
2006 09/07 7334 Eric Chavez
2007 04/10 7420 Alfonso Soriano

For the most part, the numbers increase consistent with the date. There's a hitch in early 2003 with the Wood and Chavez bats, and it seems the numbering backtracked and restarted in March 2006.

I ask that all collectors out there check your Sam Bats and post your manufacturing information. I'll compile the information and create a database to see what pattern emerges. If this works out, it may be easier to spot questionable Sam Bats. Thanks for your help.

andyt7499
09-14-2007, 10:31 AM
Hi,
I have a Victor Martinez Sam Bat that I purchased at the National this year. On the knob of my bat it has a sticker over the number with a maple leaf and I believe it says made in Canada. Martinez wrote his number over the sticker so I don't really want to remove it. I will post later tonight when I get home as Martinez has written a series of numbers on the end of the bat that may have the code you are looking for.

Thanks,
Andy

Birdbats
09-14-2007, 10:49 AM
Hi,
I have a Victor Martinez Sam Bat that I purchased at the National this year. On the knob of my bat it has a sticker over the number with a maple leaf and I believe it says made in Canada. Martinez wrote his number over the sticker so I don't really want to remove it. I will post later tonight when I get home as Martinez has written a series of numbers on the end of the bat that may have the code you are looking for.

Thanks,
Andy

Andy, don't remove your sticker on the knob. The code is, indeed, on the barrel end of the bat. You'll see the length, weight, date of manufacture, model number and the code. Thanks!

BoneRubbedBat
09-14-2007, 11:11 AM
2002 06/25 1043 Pudge Rodriguez
2003 07/21 3536 Jeriome Robertson
2003 08/14 3760 Andruw Jones
2004 06/10 5031 Jason Lane

Nilbog
09-14-2007, 11:13 AM
2007 6/12 7629 Ryan Braun

camarokids
09-14-2007, 11:14 AM
I have Eight Sam Bats.

Ben Grieve - NO CODE - 1 - 34" - 31.4 oz - 03 26 01 - KBv1 - B.G.
Aubrey Huff - 2005 - 5970
Jonny Gomes - 2004 - 4538
Jonny gomes - 2005 - 5967
Greg Vaughn - NO CODE - 34 - 32oz - 03 25 02 - 2K1 - GV
Jose Cruz Jr. - 7 13 2004 - 5319
Jose Cruz Jr. - 09 12 2004 - 5536
Toby Hall - 2004 - 4425

6211

6212

Birdbats
09-14-2007, 01:52 PM
Ben Grieve - NO CODE - 1 - 34" - 31.4 oz - 03 26 01 - KBv1 - B.G.
Aubrey Huff - 2005 - 5970
Jonny Gomes - 2004 - 4538
Jonny gomes - 2005 - 5967
Greg Vaughn - NO CODE - 34 - 32oz - 03 25 02 - 2K1 - GV
Jose Cruz Jr. - 7 13 2004 - 5319
Jose Cruz Jr. - 09 12 2004 - 5536
Toby Hall - 2004 - 4425

David,

Thanks for the input. It's tough to tell from the photos, so if you can give me some clarification, I'd appreciate it.

Huff: Is the date 4/19/05? And are you sure that's 5970, or could it be 5930? That 7 kind of looks like a 3 with the bottom half faded.

Gomes 2004: Can you make out the date at all? Looks like a 16 before the 04... hard to tell.

Gomes 2005: Is the date 2/8/05?

Hall: Can you make out the date beyond 2004? Looks like maybe 6/12... again, tough to tell in the photo.

Thanks for your help!

Birdbats
09-14-2007, 02:27 PM
Along with the date and code information, could you also please note whether "Wilson" is on the barrel and whether it's the small or large version (both are visible in David's photos). This probably applies in 2004 and 2005 only. We'll know for sure as your input keeps coming in. Thanks!

eGameUsed
09-14-2007, 02:30 PM
Jeff,

Great idea on the database! I do not have that data in my bat inventory, but will get some of the ones I have handy later this evening. I remember talking to the owner of Same back in 2003 or so. My question was in regards to the date. I had bats that were dated "26-5-03." Obviously, some European and other foreign countries put the day before the month. The reason I brought this up was that a bat labeled "4-5-03" might mean 5/4/2003 or 4/5/2003 depending on how it is interprested. Obviously, "26-5-03" means 5/26/2003." Not sure if that makes sense, but I think they have adopted the "American" (is that PC?) dating system. Has anyone else experienced this? This could explain the numbers being out of order.

Also, are you planning on putting the database on your site? Maybe you could not the source of the bat to give collectors a chance to compare and inquiry about specific labeling. Just a thought! Might be too much info!

One last question, has anyone found duplicate numbers? Rawlings using a batch code per 2, 6, or 12 bat case. I wonder if Sam does that?

Thanks,

whatupyos
09-14-2007, 02:43 PM
Jeff...
I'm sure you got my email...all three of my bats are Wilson. Hope this helps.
Aaron

Birdbats
09-14-2007, 03:09 PM
I had bats that were dated "26-5-03." Obviously, some European and other foreign countries put the day before the month. The reason I brought this up was that a bat labeled "4-5-03" might mean 5/4/2003 or 4/5/2003 depending on how it is interprested.

Chris, you're absolutely right. They did mark bats both ways. By populating a database, we should be able to figure out whether a bat is April 5 or May 4 by the code (at least I'm hoping).


Also, are you planning on putting the database on your site? Maybe you could not the source of the bat to give collectors a chance to compare and inquiry about specific labeling.

I have put it on my site and will keep track of it there. Here's a link:
http://webpages.charter.net/birdbats/Birdbats/Sam%20Bat%20Database.htm

Privately, I'm also keeping track of everything in an Excel spreadsheet. I'm including source info for my own benefit; I'm not going to publish those sources online because some people would prefer to remain anonymous.

jrhrlh
09-14-2007, 03:36 PM
Here are the Sam bat codes I have:
Freddy Sanchez - 09 21 04 JB1 5534
Jack Wilson- 5 5 04 SG1 5018
Matt Lawton- 4 18 05 SG1 6124
Yurendell DeCaster- 08 24 01 MB1 YD

Only the DeCaster does not have Wilson on the barrel. In its place is Rideau Crusher.

Birdbats
09-14-2007, 03:50 PM
Here are the Sam bat codes I have:
Freddy Sanchez - 09 21 04 JB1 5534
Jack Wilson- 5 5 04 SG1 5018
Matt Lawton- 4 18 05 SG1 6124
Yurendell DeCaster- 08 24 01 MB1 YD

Only the DeCaster does not have Wilson on the barrel. In its place is Rideau Crusher.

Is the WILSON on each bat large or small? If you're not sure of the difference, David's photo earlier in this thread shows bats with both versions. I'm guessing the Jack Wilson might be smaller and the Lawton and Sanchez larger...

Thanks!

camarokids
09-14-2007, 03:55 PM
Ben Grieve - NO CODE - 1 - 34" - 31.4 oz - 03 26 01 - KBv1 - B.G.

Aubrey Huff - 34.5 - 32oz -04 19 2005 - SG-1 - 5970 (it is a 7) large Wilson

Jonny Gomes - 34" - 34oz - ?? 16 2004 - 73 - 4538 (month could be 06)(his #60 is in the way) small Wilson

Jonny Gomes - 34 - 31.5 oz - 2 8 2005 - 73 - 5967 - large Wilson

Greg Vaughn - NO CODE - 34 - 32oz - 03 25 02 - 2K1 - GV

Jose Cruz Jr. - 34.5 - 32oz - 7 13 2004 - JC22/CD1 - 5319 - lg. Wilson

Jose Cruz Jr. - 34.5" - 31.5oz - 09 12 2004 - JC22/CD1 - 5536 -large Wilson

Toby Hall - 34.5" - 32 ozs. - 6 12 2004 - SG1 - 4425 - small Wilson

Jeff this should be correct except for the date on Gomes 2004 bat , not sure on month

woodbat
09-14-2007, 04:16 PM
Jeff,
Have five Cardinal Sam bats:

Rick Asadorrian Model JB 1MMO 33.5 31.5 06.11.02 JB-MMC 1013

Gabe Molina Model SG 1 33 30 oz 09 25 02 SG1 1826

Lou Luca Model JR 1 34" 31.9 oz 18 01 01 JR1 R.D.

Mike Timlin "DAWG" Model SG1 34 29.? oz 04 ?? 02 SG1 756

Jason Marquis Model SG1 ?? ?? 5 17 04 ??? 6812 or 6813 Suspect this was used by Pujols since Marquis 21 has been marked and the 5 has been added to the knob and barrel. Can't make out much oh this barrel.

6217

6218

6219

6220
Rick Asadorrian Model JB 1MMO

6221
Lou Luca Model JR 1 Gabe Molina Model SG 1

6222.
Jason Marquis Model SG1 Mike Timlin "DAWG" Model SG1

If you need additional photos LMK.
Don

jrhrlh
09-14-2007, 04:48 PM
The Wilson logo on all 3 bats are the same length and height and the same letter thickness.

camarokids
09-14-2007, 04:53 PM
SG-1 is looking to be a popular model of the Sam Bat

soxwin1
09-14-2007, 08:53 PM
Here are the codes from my SAM Bats

Alex Rodriguez 34 30.28... 3 18 05 KB1 6126 Large Wilson AR13NY
Eric Chavez 34 31.607 ..4 7 04 4857 small Wilson model EC 3
Gary Sheffield 34.5 31.6oz 02 18 04 GS1 4492 G.S. No Wilson GS11NY
Manny Ramirez 34 31.5oz 2 14 06 6739 no wilson
Alfonso Soriano 35 32.9oz 7 20 04 AS12 5183 Large Wilson
Willie Harris 33.5 30.4oz 03 27 02 KB1 W.H. no wilson
Matt Lawton 34 31.1 oz 3 26 04 561 4328 small wilson

Not sure how to post the pics.

Jeff email me and I can send them to you.
Thanks
Brian
bbmmquick@comcast.net

andyt7499
09-15-2007, 09:18 AM
I have one Sam Bat in my small collection it is a Victor Martinez CD1 Rideau Crusher (no Wilson). The end marking is as follows.
34
31oz
3-22-06
CD1
7009

Andy

Birdbats
09-15-2007, 11:17 AM
Thanks to everyone for your input. The database is up to 62 bats already. Here's a link to the list:

http://webpages.charter.net/birdbats/Birdbats/Sam%20Bat%20Database.htm

Please keep them coming!

montemac
09-16-2007, 03:13 PM
Here are the bats I have:
Jose Canseco 34.5 32 oz. 2/22/99 J.C. CAN1
Roberto Alomar 35 32 oz 4/26/01 EM-1 R.A.
JD Drew 34 31.5 oz 2/15/03 SG1 2472
Larry Walker 34 31.8 oz 4/26/02 TM1 #690
Vladimir Guerrero 34 32oz 2/15/03 EM1 2318

I cant wait to see the complete list. Monte

NegleyPirate
09-17-2007, 05:21 PM
Here are the Sam bat codes I have:
Freddy Sanchez - 09 21 04 JB1 5534
Jack Wilson- 5 5 04 SG1 5018
Matt Lawton- 4 18 05 SG1 6124
Yurendell DeCaster- 08 24 01 MB1 YD

Only the DeCaster does not have Wilson on the barrel. In its place is Rideau Crusher. Hello,
I was wondering if I could see pics of your Freddy Sanchez Sam Bat. Email me at mtneville@worldnet.att.net
Thanks,

BMH
09-17-2007, 08:02 PM
Albert Pujols 6-29-06 JB1/SG1 7120

Miguel Cabrera 4-14-05 KM1 6138

Ryan Howard 3-8-06 RH1 6772

I have more but their in the attic, I'll dig them out later.

AstrosCollector
09-17-2007, 09:08 PM
Just curious....who has the 2005 Willy Taveras SAM bat?

Birdbats
09-17-2007, 09:51 PM
Just curious....who has the 2005 Willy Taveras SAM bat?

I was given that information off line. If the owner wants to claim it, I'll let him do that (he is a regular contributor to the forum).

Thanks to everyone for your contributions. We're up to 93 bats at this point.

whatupyos
09-17-2007, 10:38 PM
It's interesting to me how the Eric Byrnes SAM bat of 2007 has his initials as the batch number. And thats the only one in the data base since 2002 that is like that...very odd...especially since a representative from SAM bats told me that they dont use initials if a player orders their bats. hmmm....

OaklandAsFan
09-17-2007, 11:11 PM
I only have 1 Sam bat left in my collection right now (I had like 4 or 5 of them but they were part of the batch that was stolen from me by my now ex wife when I moved out.)

Its a Ryan Ludwick Texas Rangers

34"
31oz
1/23/03
MMO
2343

on the label is Rideau Crusher and MMO is over Ryan Ludwicks name

nomah!
09-17-2007, 11:14 PM
greg zaun - kc royals
34
32oz
04 29 02
SG1
GZ

BMH
09-18-2007, 11:50 AM
Rafael Furcal: 3-13-06 MM6 6876

Rickie Weeks 7-21-05 RW1 6424

Bobby Hill 7-08-02 JB1 891

Greg Vaughn 3-23-02 GV's G.V.

Kenny Lofton 8-?-05 73GS1 6475

Chone Figgens 3-7-94 KB1 4730

Jason Grabowski 11-13-03 JB1/KB1 4124

Alfonso Soriano 2-16-05 AS12 5817

Melvin Mora 02-16-05 TY's 5799

Jack Wilson 11-23-04 SG1 5671

Olmeda Saenz 9-21-04 73 5532

PudgePollyMillerFan
09-18-2007, 03:13 PM
My Pudge Rodriguez Sam Bat says on the end the following:

33.5
32.9 (cx?)
5 24 06
IR/Pud
7112

Birdbats
09-18-2007, 04:46 PM
The database has been updated: http://webpages.charter.net/birdbats/Birdbats/Sam%20Bat%20Database.htm

We're up to 108 bats. Thanks for the input! Please keep 'em coming.

84 Canes
09-18-2007, 10:38 PM
I have one.

The barrel is marked:

BONDS 2K1
TEXAS RANGERS RAFAEL PALMEIRO
Rideau Crusher

The end is marked:

34
31
16 03 03
2K1
RP

godwulf
09-22-2007, 10:46 AM
More grist for the mill, from my collection:

07/27/1999 D.M. Damian Miller MM0
08/11/1999 M.W. Matt Williams JK1
03/10/2001 SF Steve Finley MM0
04/19/2001 R.R. Rob Ryan CD1
05/23/2001 J.D.C. J.D. Closser MM0
08/22/2001 JC Jack Cust KB1
02/27/2002 MW Matt Williams
03/21/2002 JS Junior Spivey KB1
04/10/2002 #748 Miguel Batista (misspelled ‘Bautista’) KB1
04/19/2002 D.B. Danny Bautista 875 (*) KB1
04/19/2002 D.D. David Dellucci DB1
06/19/2002 1253 Junior Spivey KB1
08/21/2002 1651 Brian Anderson MM0
11/21/2002 2024 Quinton McCracken MM0
12/06/2002 2264 David Dellucci KB1
02/20/2003 2229 Tim Worrell B1
05/01/2003 2798 Alex Cintron 73
07/21/2003 3585 Matt Kata JB1
07/30/2003 3674 Conor Jackson MM0
06/14/2004 4940 Carlos Baerga CAN1 (large ‘WILSON‘)
07/22/2005 6265 Tony Clark 73/GS1
03/15/2007 7571 Chris Young SJ1
04/17/2007 E.B. Eric Byrnes
05/23/2007 7759 Chris Young SJ1
07/12/2007 7932 Chris Young SJ1

(*) This 875 is written very small, just to the left of the model notation. I've seen nothing else like this, and have no idea what it means. If this is a sequencing or order number, it's the only bat I've seen that has both a number and the player's initials. I guess this should be noted as '875/D.B.' (?)

70to66
09-30-2007, 01:07 PM
Hello,
Im new to the site. I have

CD 1
CHRIS ERRECART
Rideau Crusher

34
5/02
07 12 06
CD1
7233

whatupyos
10-22-2007, 08:07 PM
Hey Jeff,

One mroe SAM bat for you. I just picked up a brand new Eric Byrnes from MLB.com.

Hammered with use and broken, I love it!!


3 13 07 MMO 7411 batch number

Aaron

70to66
01-02-2008, 09:47 PM
I picked up

34
31-4 oz
04 05 01
KB-1
G.S.

Grady Sizemore

chicagoglen
01-02-2008, 09:54 PM
Scott Podsednik

Chicago White Sox
Model KB 1

33
30.8 oz
3 6 06
KB1
6823

Thanks,

Glen

thome25.com
01-02-2008, 10:57 PM
Thome bat 2002 Big League Challenge.

wllump52
01-03-2008, 04:17 PM
More bats for the database--

Year Date Code Player

2003 5-23-03 2772 Mark Ellis
2005 6-7-05 6385 Miguel Cabrera
2001 6-9-01 R.A. Rich Aurilia
2003 4-7-03 2864 Magglio Ordonez
2004 6-10-04 4979 Marquis Grissom
2004 11-14-04 5642 Yorvit Torrealba
2003 1-3-03 2277 Matt Lawton
2004 11-24-04 5644 Tony Torcoto
2004 2-9-04 4360 Pat Burrell
2002 2-18-02 P.W. Jack Wilson
2006 3-14-06 6790 Ray Durham
2003 12-16-03 4524 Michael Tucker
2003 3-19-03 1889 Gary Sheffield
1999 3-23-99 B.B. Barry Bonds
2003 3-13-03 2229 Tim Worrell
2003 6-10-03 3322 Kerry Wood
2004 4-7-04 4857 Eric Chavez
2001 4-19-01 E. G. Eric Gagne
1999 6-19-99 B.M. Brett Mayne
2001 7-9-01 B. A. Brady Anderson
2003 2-20-03 2229 Victor Martinez
2007 7-31-07 7993 Benjie Molina
2000 3-6-00 E. B. Ellis Burks
2000 9-22-00 M.C. Marty Cordova
2003 3-19-03 2439 Hank Blalock

allstarsplus
01-03-2008, 08:11 PM
Here is 2 Alfonso Soriano SAM bats from 2006.

8839

treant985
08-03-2008, 04:25 PM
Someone sent in info about a 1997 Enrique Cruz SAM Bat...would that person care to identify themself? I'm very interested in hearing the story behind that bat, as they didn't get MLB approval until the 1998 season.

treant985
04-04-2009, 09:11 AM
Is there any interest in updating Jeff's database with new bats?

BTW, I'm still very interested in that 1997 enrique cruz bat...

cordovacollector
04-04-2009, 06:43 PM
I have some SAMs that I can add this weekend.

treant985
04-04-2009, 07:57 PM
Here are some of mine:

Ryan Ludwick, 3/24/2004, 4743
Albert Pujols, 4/18/2007, 7575
Rich Hackett, 8/29/2001, RH
Joe Carter, 2/19/1998, ---
Eddy Garabito, 7/17/2003, 3307
John DiBetta, 1/27/2003, 2497
Brian O'Connor, 3/9/2001, BO
Robert Stratton, 00/00/2002, 790

(00=can't read it due to uniform number)

Masimen
04-05-2009, 09:31 PM
I have a Canceso SAM bat that is from the Yankees so it is a 2000, but the end of the barrel is completely flat with no usual SAM indentation and no writing. Not sure I have seen this before. Any thoughts from anyone on this?

treant985
04-05-2009, 09:34 PM
I have a Canceso SAM bat that is from the Yankees so it is a 2000, but the end of the barrel is completely flat with no usual SAM indentation and no writing. Not sure I have seen this before. Any thoughts from anyone on this?

I've seen this on an early Albert Belle SAM Bat. Try looking for a date on the handle...it might not be there, but if it is, it might be very difficult to see. I'd appreciate any pics you have of it: treant985@triad.rr.com .

matt
04-05-2009, 11:15 PM
I have a Manny Ramirez SAM KB1 as follows:

3/14/2000,KB1,M.R.

cool bat with a shaved handle

Matt

treant985
04-06-2009, 11:10 AM
Can anybody shed any light on the "TY'S" model SAM Bats? All of the other models are just players' initials who were the first to order that kind, except for Bonds's 2K1 (eg, JC1=Joe Carter, KB1=Kimera Bartee, etc).

4cuda9er
04-07-2009, 12:16 AM
Have two (2) Sam bats...

Barry Bonds Bonds 1000 Rideau Crusher
09-28-00 Bonds2 B.B.

Fernando Tatis MB 1 Rideau Crusher
3-8-03 MB1 2317

cordovacollector
05-17-2009, 04:42 PM
Just wondering if you are still working on this list? I some some to enter if you are.

earlywynnfan
05-17-2009, 07:11 PM
I was wondering if you were keeping this up, too. I finally dug my Sams out:

Travis Hafner
9-12-03, SG1, 3907

Ivan Rodriguez (deeply cupped)
3-26-03, PR7, 2756

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

cordovacollector
05-18-2009, 02:48 AM
Here are some of the SAM bats I have in my Marty Cordova collection. Have to admit the latest bat I bought is by far my favorite Cordova bat in my collection. (Thanks a million, Steve!) It is a brown VW1.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/272818/MCbrownSAM.jpg



SAM CD1c 34.5 31.6 4 15 98 MC CD1
SAM CD1c 32.5 31.4 30 3 98 MC CD1
SAM CD1c 34.5 31.7 4 16 98 MC CD1
SAM - Rideau Cr CD1c 34 1/2 30.1 09/01/97
SAM - Rideau Cr CD1 SG1 34" 31.0 02 25 02 Brink MC
SAM - Rideau Cr CD1c 34.5 31.5oz 4 15 98 MC CD1
SAM RCc 34 1/2 32.3 09/01/97
SAM CD1 4 14 98 MC CD1
SAM CD1 9 12 98 MC CD1
SAM - Rideau Cr RCc 34 1/2 31.4 09/01/97

LWMM
07-11-2009, 05:42 PM
Jonny Gomes - 2004 - 4538
Jonny gomes - 2005 - 5967




I just got in a 2004 Gomes SAM bat, which appears to be from a slightly earlier batch, although it has the same number

Mine:
34''
32oz
02 10 04
73
4538

David's:
34''
31oz
? 16 04
73
4538


http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m86/LWMM/Jonny%20Gomes%20Scans/04DBBat.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m86/LWMM/Jonny%20Gomes%20Scans/04DBBatend.jpg


David's:
http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3499&d=1169315419