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Yankees lose again, all that money on the Yankees payroll proves you can't buy a championship!! Congrats to the Indians on advancing to the ALCS!
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I am so pleased that the Yankees are out of the playoffs. WILL AROD STAY OR GO? I personally think he is GONE but would love to see him come back with a new manager and not win a World Series again. There is nothing better then seeing the Yankees lose. I am sad to see Joe Torre go out like this he is a class act and George giving ultimatums when they are down 0-2, what a jerk!
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I get a kick out of people when they talk about the money. Money gets you players. What players you get is what matters. Lets look at who Brian Cashman has brought in over the last few years.
Carl Pavano
Randy Johnson
Javier Vasquez
Kevin Brown
Jose Contreras
Johnny Damon
Kyle Farnsworth
Kei Igawa
This list goes on and on. The Yankees are a team, that plays in a stadium, that wears a certain uniform and plays the same game as everyone else. Just because you wear that uniform it doesnt automatically make you a winner. I wish someone would take a hard look at what a mess Brian Cashman has made this team. I blame the players for losing, i blame Joe Torre for the bad moves he maked daily and I blame Brian Cashman for the tired roster he puts together every year. A team with a 200 million dollar payroll should at least have a lefty in the bullpen in the playoffs. Until Roger Clemens was taken off the roster today they didnt. Fire Cashman, fire Torre, get rid of the dead weight on the team and take note of what other teams do. Instead of signing Kei Igawa, sign guys like Paul Bird to shove it up other teams rear ends. O.K. im done now.Comment
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Bobby,
Still have that Helton bat?
Email me at
Rboitano@charter.net
I dont have your email address.Comment
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Robert,
Still have it. Sent you an e-mail.
Thanks, BobbyComment
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Dam Yankees
thanks again for the BRONKS ZOO!
DANComment
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How about Giambi? I'm a fan of him...the only modern day Yankee that I am a fan of...because I'm an A's fan...will he be back with the club? I believe he signed a 6 year deal in 2002, so it should be up but I don't know if he has an option for next year?Comment
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Bring Joe Torre to the Dodgers and get rid of Grady Little, former Red Sox manager, and also Ned Colletti (former Giants Assistant GM) and his love fest for ex-Giants and washed up players. Nice thought, but it won't happen as long as Frank McDork, Mr. Boston Real Estate, is the owner. Must be killing Frank to know that one of his former minor league relievers, Matt Smith, bought his aunt's property in Massachusetts for $50,000.00 a few years ago. Turns out that the property has 24 million tons of mica schist (a material used for building patio decks and other construction needs) worth an estimated 2.4 BILLION dollars!
However, I'm surprised that the Dodgers and Yankees actually did a trade this season involving Wilson Betemit and Scott Proctor. Another genius move by Colletti (who bears a striking resemblance and shares the same first name of Homer Simpson's neighbor, Ned Flanders).
Kind Regards,
Ron.
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I hate to say it, as a Yankee fan, but for the most part, this post is spot-on. I would disagree with the comments that were directed toward Torre though. He's 100% class and while he has a few flaws, I can't imagine a better leader for this team. He has the demeanor that's needed to manage a group of all stars and has made things work pretty well. He was regarded as an alsoran of a manager, prior to joining the Yanks and has propelled himself into the Hall of Fame as a manager since.I get a kick out of people when they talk about the money. Money gets you players. What players you get is what matters. Lets look at who Brian Cashman has brought in over the last few years.
Carl Pavano
Randy Johnson
Javier Vasquez
Kevin Brown
Jose Contreras
Johnny Damon
Kyle Farnsworth
Kei Igawa
This list goes on and on. The Yankees are a team, that plays in a stadium, that wears a certain uniform and plays the same game as everyone else. Just because you wear that uniform it doesnt automatically make you a winner. I wish someone would take a hard look at what a mess Brian Cashman has made this team. I blame the players for losing, i blame Joe Torre for the bad moves he maked daily and I blame Brian Cashman for the tired roster he puts together every year. A team with a 200 million dollar payroll should at least have a lefty in the bullpen in the playoffs. Until Roger Clemens was taken off the roster today they didnt. Fire Cashman, fire Torre, get rid of the dead weight on the team and take note of what other teams do. Instead of signing Kei Igawa, sign guys like Paul Bird to shove it up other teams rear ends. O.K. im done now.
As for Cashman.... The list of players that were referenced above have been disasterous. There is no question that mistakes have been made. However, also consider the positives. For example, the Yanks have held onto a slew of prospects that have made their way to the bigs. I would point to Cano, who is primed to do amazing things in the future, Melky Cabrera, a solid outfielder, Phil Hughes, who might just develop into a very good ace, as well as some guys who helped them down the stretch and through injuries, early on...
The problem is and has been Steinbrenner. Can you imagine the pressure Cashman has had on him to deal the players I have mentioned for the Ken Phelps' of the MLB down the stretch each year?? Maybe it's time for a change, but if a change is needed, Torre isn't the one who should go. His players respect him and those multi-million dollar players play for him. He's earned their respect and that's a very underappreciated task, given the slew of primadonnas in today's professional sports.
Steinbrenner's not going anywhere, unfortunately. Torre and Cashman will probably be let go. The Yankees will continue to contend for years to come because the stream of revenue they enjoy will make it so. Assuming Cashman is released from his duties, I would be shocked if he doesn't bring a title to whatever team he goes to. As for Torre, he'll probably retire and enjoy the fond memories of managing great players, such as Jeter, Rivera, Clemens, O'Neill, Bernie, Posada and Pettitte. Each of those legends, if I'm not mistaken, were brought (or kept) in by Brian Cashman...
Sorry for the rant, but as much as you guys seem to enjoy piling on our team, I hate the fact that the Yanks did so little this year with all the advantages they had. I suppose that's what comes from being a life-long fan of a team that's owned and run by a meglomaniac...
Props to the club from C-town. They earned it and I hope they CRUSH the hated Red Sox....Comment
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Since joining this forum, I have continually been amazed with the knowledge of this board and impressed with the opinions presented. This thread however, has me scratching my head.
I grew up in the shadows of Yankee Stadium. I've been a fan since 1977. I watched Reggie's home runs against the Dodgers. I saw the pine tar game unfold as it happened on tv. I have watched Ron Guidrey, David Cone, Roger Clemens, David Wells et all pitch their asses off. I have seen Derek Jeter, Graig Nettles, Bernie Williams, Willie Randolph, Don Mattingly and others do things on a baseball field that boggles the mind.
Did the Yankees as a team screw the pooch in the post season this year? ....Absolutely.
What we must remember though, is that the players bear the resposibility of production. Arod had a horrible post season, again. He will however win the MVP award as his amazing offensive output is one of the reasons that the Yankees even made it to the post season for the 13 consecutive year.
Jorge Posada who I adore, had a horrible post season. He also put up a season of the most impressive offensive numbers by a catcher in recent memory. Add to that handling an ever changing pitching staff and nursing some raw rookies along.
Derek Jeter looked like he forgot how to hit this post season. He did however have another terrific year at the plate and on the field from the start of the regular season to just before the post season began. He is the Captain of the Bronx Zoo, and has remained a calm and steadying force both on and off the field.
Roger Clemens is done. His elbow and hamstring yearn for days sitting on the couch, not standing on the mound. The Yankees knew that and while they hoped that he had some wins left in that old body, they did not sign him for what he could do on the field, but for the presence he had in the clubhouse. He is one of the main reasons why this team made up a 12 game deficit and was even close to getting to the World Series.
Joe Torre? Nothing bad should be said about Joe. I watched every post season game from start to finish. There was never a "Grady Little should have taken Pedro out sooner" type move. Torre pulled Clemens when it was time. He pulled Wang when it was time. Joe went with his gut and managed the way he has all of those winning years. Sadly, this season it was not enough.
Anyone who knows the Yankees knows that Steinbrenner's comments were done with the intention of moving the spotlight from the lack of production of his players to the Manager/owner fighting circus that the New York media loves. His "fire the manager" mantra is nothing new and it inspires the players to perform and keeps the press off the back of the roster so that players can play. Serious baseball fans see through the smokescreen.
As for Brian Cashman, he is a master at his craft. He is the single winningest General Manager in history. As GM of the Yankees, he has seen the Yankees win 5 pennants and three championships. Sure, we could pick apart Pavano, and Farnsworth and the others who flopped. We could also look at the farm system that produced Melky Cabrera, Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes, Robby Cano, Shelly Duncan, and every other young stud that makes fans hopeful for 2008.
This team went from 14 1/2 back to being a contender. Unfortunately, the "any given Sunday" rule of football came into play here. The Indians hit and hit with risp, the Yankees didnt. Plain and simple.....Comment
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The New York Yankee$ are a blight...a stain...a curse upon their entire sport, and I am glad to see them once again eliminated from the playoffs.
Yankee$ fans love...just looooooooooooooove to talk about their 26 Worlds Championships. What they don't love to talk about is the utter economic dominance their team exercised over every other team in baseball from about 1925 onward. The question I always have is: given their circumstances, how did the Yankee$ not win every single World Series after 1930? Answer: occasionally the other team got lucky, and occasionally all of baseball got lucky, and the Yankee$ went through one of their periods of really, really bad ownership (see the CBS era, and several periods of the Madness of King George).
The Yankee$ last "dynasty" of 1996-2000 owes as much to George III's 18-month "lifetime ban from baseball" as it does to anything else.
Now, they're baseball's version of the early-60s Redskins...you remember, the team that could score 72 points...and lose?
Oh, and BTW, their uniforms are ass-ugly.Mark
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Anyone who followed the Yankees the last few weeks would see that Wang was not pitching well and that Jeter was not hitting like he is capable of. The problems Jeter was having with his knee may have contributed to his slump that carried over into the playoffs. With Wang, its hard to know whether his pitching delivery got out of sync or the league has caught up to him after two years. With our playoff and wild card system a team on a hot streak can now come in and take it all. That is part of what happened in the playoffs, but its obvious the Indians had a better starting rotation. Its difficult to understand what happened with ARod. He obviously has the capacity to hit in the clutch as this season has shown, but for some reason it does seem to vanish in the playoffs. Part of it could be written off as good pitching stops good hitting, but his striking out twice against Byrd when Byrd hadn't struck out anyone else seems to indicate there is something else at work. About the only thing I really thought you could second guess Torre on was starting Wang and there was arguable logic for starting him, it just didn't work. Cashman has made some moves that didn't pan out. I don't know if I would list Randy Johnson as one. When the Yankees beat Boston to win the division by one game a year ago Johnson beat Boston 5 times which was the difference. Torre is a class act and deserves better treatment. But he is in his late 60's. If the Yankees decided to go with a younger manager for the future they should treat Torre with respect in the way they handle it. I've been a Yankee fan for close to 50 years and when I was a kid I hated Bill Mazeroski and the Pirates after they beat the Yankees in the 1960 World Series the way some fans on this site hate the Yankees today. Over the years I've learned to appreciate other teams and players and now if my team gets beat fair and square you acknowledge the other team played better and tip your cap to them as I do now to Cleveland.Comment
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Joe Torre is a bad manager! If someone gave me a Clemens, Pettitte, Cone, Wells, and El Duke i could win four world series as a manage too. Give me Stanton, Mendoza, Nelson, Wettland, and Rivera in the bullpen to go with those starters and ill take my chances. What managerial moves has Torre made that have won him anything? This year was a joke! How can you watch Matsui play hurt all September and hit .125 for the month and THEN on the last day of the season get his knee drained? Joe, give your star players some rest!!! How can you watch Jason Giambi limp around the bases for a month and then on a HOMERUN he finally tears his plantar faciata in his foot? If a guy tears something while jogging its proabably a sign that he's been hurt for a while and now it finally popped. How in the world do you play Doug Meintkevich as your playoff first baseman? Dont you want your best offensive line up out there if you arent scoring runs? How do you hit AROD 8th at any point of the playoffs? How do you start Gary Sheffild at first base in the playoffs if he's never played there before? Why do you bring in Joba Chamberlain in the 7th inning with a FIVE and i repeat FIVE run lead? Its because you are selfish and need to win or your fired.
On to Cashman, does everyone remember trading for Randy Johnson from the Diamondbacks? Cashman gave Arizona a list of 5 minor leaguers to choose from. On that list were Dionar Navarro, Robinson Cano, Chein Ming Wang and two others. If the Diamondbacks take Cano and Wang would everyone praise Cashman for not trading their young players? How about Cashman firing the Strenght and Condintioning coach this year? He brought a guy in from some 24 hour fitness and named him the NEW YORK YANKEES strenght and conditioning coach????? Dont you have to be some sort of Olympic stud trainer to train the NEW YORK YANKEES superstars? Well, he fired that guy a month into the season and now that guys assistant is the guy in charge. Shouldnt an organazatoin of the Yankees caliber hire a guy who is qualified? Just a small sample of some moves Cashman makes that make me shake my head.
One more thing, if the Yankees fire Torre DO NOT hire Don Mattingly to be the manager! This guy has no clue how to manage. Bring in a guy who has done it before who doesnt have to learn on the job. This position isnt for a long time Yankee captain to inherit. This job is for a qualified manager who can actually manage and not make bonehead moves. Torre gets a whole lot of credit but if you talk to the players off the record you will find a totally different perspective. I know guys say Torre is class and so on and so forth. You dont know Joe Torre. You hear what Torre says, you hear what some of his players say but dont believe everything you hear. This guy is loyal to Jeter, Posada, and Mariano. The list stops there. Thats not class, class is having a closed door meeting with AROD and not telling Sports Illustrated about the meeting an hour later. I could go on and on but its time for the Yankees to bring in another GM and another manager to make all of you Yankee die hards realize that Torre and Cashman failed since 2000. Like i said, give me the players Torre had in the late 90's and i could have won too. Damn the Yankees get me fired up. FYI, im a HUGE Yankee fan.Comment
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