Anybody familiar with these Sandknit tags?

[33bird]

Here's some tags from an Early 80's Celtics jersey? Anybody seen these exact tags before and are they really from early 80's?
Thanks for any help.
Greg
biggamebird@yahoo.com

[jdr3]

The top tag is from the early to mid 70s, the bottom first appeared in 1983. A very odd combination if you get my drift.

[33bird]

Good info. Thanks a lot. That's a Bird on the GF site. Anybody have any more info let us know. Thanks,
33bird

[33bird]

Rich-after I shared this info-is claiming it's probably a rookie jersey! Any chance of that??

[jdr3]

No chance all since his rookie season started in 1979 and these tags didn't show up until 1983.

[33bird]

Thanks. BTPH any more proof?

[both-teams-played-hard]

No chance all since his rookie season started in 1979 and these tags didn't show up until 1983.

I agree with jdr3. Didn't Grey Flannel sell a Indiana State Bird that was size 42? Size 42 to 46 in one season seems far-fetched.

[33bird]

46 is the correct size for Bird-I think he wore 44's too. Here's the thing. After I gave him the info. he says it's a rookie jersey now, it's now listed that way, and he raised the price more than a 1000.00! BUT, he's got a maravich celtics jersey listed too. TAGGING IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. That's the only year Bird and Pete played together-Bird's rookie year. I think the Maravich is tagged correctly for 79-80 but that's why I asked about the Bird tagging. It didn't look right. They should be tagged the same if it's really a Bird rookie jersey-which it isn't. Thanks for the info guys.
Greg

[jdr3]

The bottom line is no one at Grey Flannel could authenticate a boil on their own rear, let alone the history of Sand Knit tagging. I would not trust them.

[lund6771]

where is it on their site?

I can't seem to late it...

Thanks

[33bird]

Click on their showcase items. It's the first item.
Greg

[lund6771]

I can't seem to find it...

maybe it sold, or got pulled?

[33bird]

Nope. It's still there. Got to click on showcase items.
greg

[lund6771]

strange...I still can't seem to find it

[33bird]

Yep, it's gone now. I doubt that they sold it. Hopefully, they just removed it.
Greg

[33bird]

Grey flannel sent it to Mears and Mears gave it an A10 grade. Said the tagging is from 1981/82 because it matches some baseball tagging from those years and they found a McHale jersey that has the same tagging. Here's the jersey and info from Mears. What do you guys think now?
Greg

[10thMan]

I bought a Chargers practice Jersey from Eric S. our forum admin. Here`s the tagging.
Sean

[jdr3]

It makes me wonder why Grey Flannel needs to send their own merchandise out if they are "the standard of the industry." If the industry is providing crap, then they certainly are the standard.

[both-teams-played-hard]

Grey flannel sent it to Mears and Mears gave it an A10 grade. Said the tagging is from 1981/82 because it matches some baseball tagging from those years and they found a McHale jersey that has the same tagging. Here's the jersey and info from Mears. What do you guys think now?
Greg
What do we guys think now? Who said MEARS is the end all-be all? Who is to say this baseball jersey and McHale jersey are legit?
In my opinion, I believe MEARS is wrong. If we could see photos of the McHale and baseball jersey, then I will admit I am wrong. I think the tags are forged. However, this is my opinion, and I am not an expert or authenticator. Why are there so many BIRDS out there?

The Chargers jersey from Eric is MacGregor Sandknit. It could not be older than 1985.

[both-teams-played-hard]

Grey flannel sent it to Mears and Mears gave it an A10 grade. Said the tagging is from 1981/82 because it matches some baseball tagging from those years and they found a McHale jersey that has the same tagging. Here's the jersey and info from Mears. What do you guys think now?
Greg
I thought MEARS gave A10s to Pre-1987 shirts with team provenance? Am I wrong?

[33bird]

I didn't mean it that way. I'm with you. I was offered the jersey again after it was graded-and I don't have the money to buy it anyway-but to me it just doesn't seem exactly right, still. Plus, I checked the 3 images that Mears used to photo style match and I don't think any of the 3 are dead on. It's possible, I guess, that Sandknit might have tagged it that way, apparently they did it on some baseball jerseys that way in 1981/82, but......Too many buts for me. Just my 2 cents.
Greg

[33bird]

This jersey didn't have team prov. Is that what you're asking. Basically, everything has to be just right for a pre-87 jersey to get an A10. After 1987 it needs perfect prov. or team prov. to get an A10.
Greg

[both-teams-played-hard]

I didn't mean it that way. I'm with you. I was offered the jersey again after it was graded-and I don't have the money to buy it anyway-but to me it just doesn't seem exactly right, still. Plus, I checked the 3 images that Mears used to photo style match and I don't think any of the 3 are dead on. It's possible, I guess, that Sandknit might have tagged it that way, apparently they did it on some baseball jerseys that way in 1981/82, but......Too many buts for me. Just my 2 cents.
Greg
Is MEARS trying to win an authenticating account from Grey Flannel? The authenticators for the Hall of Fame need help? I think we should all ask for help in researching a jersey. No one knows everything. If you claim you do, you are setting yourself up for failure.

[33bird]

The thing about it that bugged me too, is look at that medalist tag, doesn't it look brand new? The one of above it looks older, looks like it's been washed a number of times, but the bottom one looks brand new to me-and that is that one that was normally a 1983 and after tag, right?
Greg

[otismalibu]

Here's some auction pics that include shots of the tagging.

Bird
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/4081329

Ainge
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/2368160

DJ
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/4081338

Cowens
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/4081275

Hondo (road)
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/2368147

Hondo (home)
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/4081263

White
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/4081314

[jdr3]

[quote=both-teams-played-hard;69303]What do we guys think now? Who said MEARS is the end all-be all? Who is to say this baseball jersey and McHale jersey are legit?
In my opinion, I believe MEARS is wrong. If we could see photos of the McHale and baseball jersey, then I will admit I am wrong. I think the tags are forged. However, this is my opinion, and I am not an expert or authenticator. Why are there so many BIRDS out there?

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Very well said, Warren.