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yanks12025
02-23-2006, 01:11 PM
Does this ebay auction look weird to any body.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8770089660&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

suave1477
02-23-2006, 01:18 PM
Yanks whats the deal with this auction do you think its the real thing or do you know something different to prove otherwise. I mean in all seriousness i would love to take a stab at bidding on an item like that, but due to the fact the person has very low feedback and that they are keeping the bidders private and that they are not showing the actual LOA does bother me.

What do you think?

vwtdi
02-23-2006, 01:21 PM
3 transactions in as many months? Never sold anything on ebay before, now this? Bidder IDs kept private?

Don't even think about it !

Keith

yanks12025
02-23-2006, 01:24 PM
Yeah I agree with you vwtdi. And to me something is funny with the photo of it like its from a google search or something. And why would he put it at $9.99 when a ball like that could be worth around $20000 and up.

suave1477
02-23-2006, 01:32 PM
I agree with the both of you, I just always hope to see the guy who doesnt know what he has and you get something great for nothing. ( IT IS CALLED WISHFUL THINKING ) lol lol lol It does happen I have recently stumbled across a few things at decent prices that were actually worth a lot more.

It can happen!!!

I agree the auction does look totally fake, but there is a backlash to it. If that bid goes over a certain amount and they rip the person off with stealing there money they can face some serious legal issues.

vwtdi
02-23-2006, 01:52 PM
If I EVER question an auction in my mind (whether it be a gut feeling or something peculiar in the verbage, scan, feedback etc.), I tell myself I don't need to ask anyone else their opinion....

I already have my answer.

trsent
02-23-2006, 02:02 PM
Yeah I agree with you vwtdi. And to me something is funny with the photo of it like its from a google search or something. And why would he put it at $9.99 when a ball like that could be worth around $20000 and up.

I have discussed this in other threads, but I guess you missed it the last time I mentioned it:

Don't harass a seller for starting a bid at a low price. I start most all my auctions at .99 cents and I let the public decide the final price. It costs .20 cents to list a item starting at .99 cents or less and .35 cents to start a listing at $9.99 or less.

In a real auction world, you could start every auction at a penny and the public will set the final price for what your item is worth. Since I have had auctions end at over $10,000.00, I would say that this system is fine.

Just you cannot base if an autographed item is genuine based on the starting bid price - It is not even open for discussion.

Now, did you pay for the PSA Quick Opinion Service? I would think if you were going to bid on such an item, their $7.49 fee would be totally worth it.

http://www.psadna.com/quickopinion/(bnhee2i0scjs2a55uvsjfe55)/Default.aspx

Swoboda4
02-23-2006, 02:04 PM
Wouldn't you spend the extra money and have a reserve price on something like this?

trsent
02-23-2006, 02:08 PM
Wouldn't you spend the extra money and have a reserve price on something like this?

Again, no.

I tried to list an item with a reserve last month. It cost $40.00 to have a $4000.00 reserve. That is insane. I find no issues with a seller who lists items at low opening bids to let the public set the final price. Remember, this is a public auction - I have no idea if the item is genuine, just I wouldn't base a decision on the fact that they don't have a reserve or a low opening bid price.

I did email the seller asking for more pictures and asking why they do no accept PayPal for payment. The lack of PayPal with only taking money orders is a genuine concern, as a buyer now has no protection.

If your item is genuine you should sleep well using this strategy of a low opening bid since in the long run the public will bid up items and pay reasonable market price.

Now, if you item is determined not to be genuine, I assume that will show in the final strike price also.

yanks12025
02-23-2006, 02:15 PM
Yeah I have to agree with you trsent. But still if i had a ball like that i would at least put a buy it now.

trsent
02-23-2006, 02:20 PM
Yeah I have to agree with you trsent. But still if i had a ball like that i would at least put a buy it now.

Do you people sell on eBay?

If you put a buy-it-now on an auction with an opening bid of .99 cents (no reserve) once the first bid is placed, the buy-it-now disappears.

yanks12025
02-23-2006, 02:22 PM
Do you people sell on eBay?

If you put a buy-it-now on an auction with an opening bid of .99 cents (no reserve) once the first bid is placed, the buy-it-now disappears.

Do you have quote everything we say.

trsent
02-23-2006, 02:24 PM
Do you have quote everything we say.

Quoting a post you are replying to helps a user following a thread figure out what a reply is in response to. Sorry you take everything so literally. Don't you have school today?

yanks12025
02-23-2006, 02:29 PM
Its ok. And no i dont have school i have the hole week off. But i got two things to ask you because you know a lot. First how much is a game used 2003 Curt Schilling signed bat worth. And second is im going to the WBC in florida do you know if they are going to use different balls for it.
Thanks if you know.

trsent
02-23-2006, 02:32 PM
I have no idea what your bat is worth, I have bought and sold around 5 game used bats in my life. I'm sure someone out there knows.

As for the WBC, I'm sure they'll have specially made baseballs for the games and I'd be sure they'll sell them down there and on eBay.

What would make you think they would use MLB balls?

yanks12025
02-23-2006, 02:34 PM
Cause MLB is putting it on the WBC

trsent
02-23-2006, 02:40 PM
If that is the case, I bet they still use special baseballs - Why would they turn down that opportunity?

Swoboda4
02-23-2006, 05:58 PM
trsent,Let's say the ball is genuine and it's value is close to $15-20,000. I understand your point-letting the market,which is considerable,find this items value-without unneccessary costly safeguards. But if this ball belongs to a family finally deciding to liquidate it's one and only important object,I wouldn't be inclined to "throw it to the crowd" on ebay and see where it lands. $40 is not a lot of money(or more for a higher reserve I imagine)to protect with a reserve something this important. Why? Because on ebay this item could very well settle between $1,500(and I'm being generous) and $12,000. And that's if the right people see it. If you were going to an auction house wouldn't you be paying them a percentage plus costs? So whats $40 or more to protect-and again if it's real-this very important item. Oh,and I was home sick today(note upon request).
Robert
( Tom Hagen: Mr.Woltz,I'm a lawyer. I have not threatened you...by the way,I admire your pictures very much.)

Swoboda4
02-23-2006, 06:15 PM
Joel-In all this excitement I forgot to mention the biggest problem I have with this item-a 3 day auction.
Robert

trsent
02-23-2006, 06:23 PM
I don't get the Tom Hagen line, did I miss that movie?

I understand your point, but not everyone uses reserves. It is not our business or a reasonable factor to determine if an item is genuine or not.

I can understand any other thinking, and my point about not accepting PayPal is a big deal for a 3-day auction of an item. I did email the seller, I am still awaiting a reply.

yanks12025
02-23-2006, 08:47 PM
[ It is not our business or a reasonable factor to determine if an item is genuine or not.[/quote]

I kinda think its are job to find out if something is fake or genuine. Just because if it turns out to be fake then we saved someone alot of money.

trsent
02-23-2006, 09:07 PM
We are not the police, but we are on this forum to help each other and the hobby in general.

trsent
02-23-2006, 09:37 PM
I just got an email from the seller:

"Never heard of this ball till today

Not mine to sale"

I wonder if his eBay password was stolen and someone up to fraud listed this auction. I notified the seller how he should end the auction and change his eBay password - Let's see how he reacts.

suave1477
02-23-2006, 09:40 PM
i just got the same email, someone broke into his account

Swoboda4
02-24-2006, 12:28 AM
It could be that fake e-mail going around(Phishing),on an ebay looking page(spoofing),requesting an update of account info or suspension of account. Very real and tempting ebay page.

trsent
02-24-2006, 12:50 AM
The seller didn't follow my instructions and end the auction.

I wonder if they will let this auction end. I tried to help, but it doesn't appear my help was acknowledged.

sammy
02-24-2006, 08:26 AM
Here is a photo of the '27 Yankee ball used in the eBay auction, and the site it came from.


http://images.collectors.com/Articles/parents-baseball.jpg



http://www.psacard.com/articles/article_view.chtml?artid=2731&universeid=314 (http://www.psacard.com/articles/article_view.chtml?artid=2731&universeid=314)

yanks12025
02-24-2006, 09:25 AM
I knew i seen it so where else.

sammy
02-24-2006, 09:40 AM
This auction has been ended by eBay.

Adios! :)

trsent
02-24-2006, 01:07 PM
Great, eBay ended the auction, but since I asked a question about the item, here is a copy of the email I received this morning:

-----Original Message-----
From: Top Sports Cards - Sales Department [mailto:sales@top-sports-cards.com]
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 9:38 AM
To: joel@alpert.net
Subject: Re: Question for item #8770089660 - 1927 New York Yankees World Champions Team Signed Baseb

Hello,

Thank you for your interest in my item #8770089660 - 1927 New York Yankees World Champions Team Signed Baseball.

If you are still interested in this item please email me back asap with your affordable price offer.

If you need more information about ir, please ask.

You can see more of my sportscards and collectibles visiting my website: www.Top-Sports-Cards.com


Kindest regards,

Marco Gunther
www.Top-Sports-Cards.com
sales@top-sports-cards.com

sammy
02-24-2006, 02:12 PM
These individuals are out of Italy.

They have had quite a few scams on eBay that thankfully were ended by eBay. They like to copy photos from other auctions / sites and try to get these auctions through eBay before they are shut down.

Here are three previous eBay auctions that they tried to scam people with, and some e-mails sent from them.



Subj: Re: Question for item #8749931984 - Babe Ruth Single Signed Baseball
Date: //2006 PM Central Standard Time
From: sales@top-sports-cards.com (sales@top-sports-cards.com)
Thank you for your interest in my item.
I'm very sorry for this late reply.
The item is still available so if you are still interested please email me know asap.
If you need more information please ask.
You can see more of my sportscards and collectibles visiting my website: www.Top-Sports-Cards.com (http://www.Top-Sports-Cards.com)
Kindest regards,
Marco Zarlengo
www.top-sports-cards.com (http://www.top-sports-cards.com)
sales@top-sports-cards.com (sales@top-sports-cards.com)
================================================== ===========
Top Sports Cards
http://www.Top-Sports-Cards.com (http://www.Top-Sports-Cards.com)
For more orders or payment confirmations please contact me at:
Phone/Fax: +39-068-0380036
or
sales@top-sports-cards.com (sales@top-sports-cards.com)
================================================== =========================

Subj: Re: Re: Question for item #8747546611 - BABE RUTH AUTOGRAPHED BASEBALL
Date: //2006 PM Central Standard Time
From: sales@top-sports-cards.com (sales@top-sports-cards.com)
Thank you for your interest in my BABE RUTH AUTOGRAPHED BASEBALL.
I'm very sorry for this late reply.
The item is still available so if you are still interested please email me know asap.
If you need more information please ask.
You can see more of my sportscards and collectibles visiting my website: www.Top-Sports-Cards.com (http://www.Top-Sports-Cards.com)

Kindest regards,
Marco Zarlengo
www.top-sports-cards.com (http://www.top-sports-cards.com)
================================================== ===========
Top Sports Cards
http://www.Top-Sports-Cards.com (http://www.Top-Sports-Cards.com)
For more orders or payment confirmations please contact me at:
Phone/Fax: +39-068-0380036
or
sales@top-sports-cards.com (sales@top-sports-cards.com)
================================================== =========================

Subj: Re: Question for item #8747549416 - GEM BABE RUTH SINGLE SIGNED OAL BASEBALL PSA/DNA
Date: //2006 PM Central Standard Time
From: sales@top-sports-cards.com (sales@top-sports-cards.com)
Thank you for your interest in my GEM BABE RUTH SINGLE SIGNED OAL BASEBALL PSA/DNA.
I'm very sorry for this late reply.
The item is still available so if you are still interested please email me know asap.
If you need more information please ask.
You can see more of my sportscards and collectibles visiting my website: www.Top-Sports-Cards.com (http://www.Top-Sports-Cards.com)

Kindest regards,
Marco Zarlengo
www.top-sports-cards.com (http://www.top-sports-cards.com)

================================================== ===========
Top Sports Cards
http://www.Top-Sports-Cards.com (http://www.Top-Sports-Cards.com)
For more orders or payment confirmations please contact me at:
Phone/Fax: +39-068-0380036
or
sales@top-sports-cards.com (sales@top-sports-cards.com)

suave1477
02-24-2006, 04:32 PM
I HAVE A BETTER ONE THEN ALL OF YOU, I MADE HIM AN OFFER ON THE BALL FOR $5,000 TO SEE WHAT HE WOULD SAY HERE IS HIS REPLY!!!!

We have a deal.

$5,000.00 (with all taxes included) is a good price and I accept it.

If you are interested in my other sports cards and collectibles please visit my website: www.Top-Sports-Cards.com

As shipping carrier i will use Pegasus Cargo Carrier so you will receive your item in 5 working days at most. The delivery will be
door-to-door so you just have to be home to sign for delivery.

To protect my business I have adopted the following polices:

- I will ship the package first and I will email you the tracking number.
- When you will see the package is moving, I want you to send me the payment confirmation in the same day or the day after.
- You have 7 days inspection period and if you feel that is something wrong with the item, you can return it and you'll receive a
full refound plus shipping costs.
- As a payment method I have chosen Western Union's services because they always served our interests in a professional manner and
helped me gain buyers. I consider promptitude a vital condition on the modern eCommerce markets and a guarantee of quality.

Nobody forces you to accept it. If you don't agree, I believe it would be better that none of us lose his time for nothing.

If the terms and conditions above are suitable for you and you decide to purchase please email me back with your full name and
address to prepare the package and I will send you the payment details.
In the same day you confirm your shipping information I will make the S&H arrangements and schedule a pickup with Pegasus Cargo
Carrier.

I look forward to a favorable reply and just as soon as I receive it, I will send you my payment address.

Kindest regards,

Marco Gunter
www.Top-Sports-Cards.com
sales@top-sports-cards.com

trsent
02-24-2006, 04:58 PM
If you want to give away $5000.00, I can help you find a few better charities.