Need opinions on this Chiefs jersey (Derrick Thomas)

[Blitzmaster]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220237809318&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=012

I am not sure if this one is legit, but I am in need of a Thomas gamer for my 100+ sack collection. Any help would be appreiated. Thanks, Chris!!

[Jags Fan Dan]

Re: Need opinions on this Chiefs jersey (Derrick Thomas)

I cannot comment on whether this is legit or not, but what strikes me is that the jersey being sold shows no real signs of use. I would expect a nice Thomas gamer to have some team repairs and show obvious signs of use.

[nyjetsfan14]

Re: Need opinions on this Chiefs jersey (Derrick Thomas)

I have to concur. In my opinion this looks more like a team issue piece than game used. A DT gamer would exhibit extensive use. Have a great Memorial Day weekend.

God Bless America
Matthew

[byergo]

Re: Need opinions on this Chiefs jersey (Derrick Thomas)

I'm selling this jersey. Hate to part with it, but raising money to buy a biz (local ice cream shop), so need extra cash. Otherwise would keep it forever.

The jersey does show signs of use, definately not game issued only. It has a couple small unrepaired tears, shows hit friction marks in the fabric, staining on the NOB, pulling on some stitching, tag wear, etc... Anyone who desires is free to view the jersey at my home in Columbia, Missouri anytime.

DT's game was speed rush, not bull rush so you won't see extreme use characteristics on his jerseys. All the game used pics of him from this era of jersey are similar in nature, and I've looked at hundreds of pics.

DT jerseys are very rare, do some research and see how many you come back with, and how many rookie era jerseys you come back with. Good luck on this if you are interested! IMHO you won't find a nicer one.

[Jags Fan Dan]

Re: Need opinions on this Chiefs jersey (Derrick Thomas)

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The jersey does show signs of use, definately not game issued only. It has a couple small unrepaired tears, shows hit friction marks in the fabric, staining on the NOB, pulling on some stitching, tag wear, etc... Anyone who desires is free to view the jersey at my home in Columbia, Missouri anytime.
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Byergo, please don't take this wrong, you are probably more knowledgeable than me and you have probably been collecting game used for longer than I have and this is just a suggestion: You need to get pics of the tears and other signs of use into your auction and describe the things you mentioned here in your auction description. Just trying to help!

[nyjetsfan14]

Re: Need opinions on this Chiefs jersey (Derrick Thomas)

I'm selling this jersey. Hate to part with it, but raising money to buy a biz (local ice cream shop), so need extra cash. Otherwise would keep it forever.

The jersey does show signs of use, definately not game issued only. It has a couple small unrepaired tears, shows hit friction marks in the fabric, staining on the NOB, pulling on some stitching, tag wear, etc... Anyone who desires is free to view the jersey at my home in Columbia, Missouri anytime.

DT's game was speed rush, not bull rush so you won't see extreme use characteristics on his jerseys. All the game used pics of him from this era of jersey are similar in nature, and I've looked at hundreds of pics.

DT jerseys are very rare, do some research and see how many you come back with, and how many rookie era jerseys you come back with. Good luck on this if you are interested! IMHO you won't find a nicer one.

Class reply and offer. I wish you the best in your sale and hope it gets you a great price. You might want to consider revising the listing to better/fully describe the use/wear your jersey exhibits. Again, thanks for taking the time to respond and best of luck!

[byergo]

Re: Need opinions on this Chiefs jersey (Derrick Thomas)

Those are good suggestions, but I can't alter the auction after it has a bid. Feel free to ask me a question about it's signs of use via EBAY, and I'll answer the question and tie it to the auction.

Thanks!

[byergo]

Re: Need opinions on this Chiefs jersey (Derrick Thomas)

Forgot to add, if your a DT/Chiefs fan check out my other auctions. I'm also selling a legit full size Chiefs helmet autographed by DT personally when he visited MIZZOU's basketball stadium in the mid 1990's (event poster included).

DT was a really nice guy with a great personality and a smile that would light up the room. An uplifting guy to be around, and he did a lot of great charity work (some publicly and much more privately) that helped a great number of people. It's such a shame he passed away at such a young age.

And also selling a Christian Okoye autographed wire photo signed in person last year as well. The "Nigerian Nightmare" is still a monstrous sized stud! Absolutely huge for a RB.

[Peterson28]

Re: Need opinions on this Chiefs jersey (Derrick Thomas)

I'm selling this jersey. Hate to part with it, but raising money to buy a biz (local ice cream shop), so need extra cash. Otherwise would keep it forever.

The jersey does show signs of use, definately not game issued only. It has a couple small unrepaired tears, shows hit friction marks in the fabric, staining on the NOB, pulling on some stitching, tag wear, etc... Anyone who desires is free to view the jersey at my home in Columbia, Missouri anytime.

DT's game was speed rush, not bull rush so you won't see extreme use characteristics on his jerseys. All the game used pics of him from this era of jersey are similar in nature, and I've looked at hundreds of pics.

DT jerseys are very rare, do some research and see how many you come back with, and how many rookie era jerseys you come back with. Good luck on this if you are interested! IMHO you won't find a nicer one.

Not to sound negative, but the sleeves on this jersey are wrong for the style Derrick used. As can be seen in the 3 pictures of DT in your listing, he wore the tight elastic band sleeves which have the sleeve stripe colors dyed right into the fabric. The sleeves on your jersey are loose open sleeves with printed stripes

[ndevlin]

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Class reply and offer. I wish you the best in your sale and hope it gets you a great price. You might want to consider revising the listing to better/fully describe the use/wear your jersey exhibits. Again, thanks for taking the time to respond and best of luck!

Ahhh, I would agree! Most people would get their panties in a bunch and reply back in rage after questioning one of their auctions. Instead, he replies and answers questions about his auction in a calm and mature manner.

[Jags Fan Dan]

Re: Need opinions on this Chiefs jersey (Derrick Thomas)

Not to sound negative, but the sleeves on this jersey are wrong for the style Derrick used. As can be seen in the 3 pictures of DT in your listing, he wore the tight elastic band sleeves which have the sleeve stripe colors dyed right into the fabric. The sleeves on your jersey are loose open sleeves with printed stripes

I was actually initially looking at the sleeves, too. I thought they looked different in the photos of him wearing the jersey vs. the jersey, but I wrote it off to the fact that here is a big, muscular guy wearing a size 42 jersey.

[byergo]

Re: Need opinions on this Chiefs jersey (Derrick Thomas)

Peterson28, no offense but you are incorrect about the sleeves. They are tighter in the sleeve than they appear in the pics on a hanger, especially with the large shoulder pads on underneath stretching them tighter against the arm, DT had a small waist but a huge upper body and very muscular arms.

Additionally the painted stripes of color around the end of the sleeve are correct for KC Chiefs gamers. They are not died into the fabric, which is already a bright fire engine red dazzle cloth material and wouldn't accept such a die even if you tried. All the numbers on the jersey obverse/reverse and sleeves are also correctly painted on in this manner, but for the NOB which is tackle twill, which is also correct.

Hope that clarification helps.

[CollectGU]

Re: Need opinions on this Chiefs jersey (Derrick Thomas)

I ahve to agree with Peterson, the sleeves in the photos also look to be the elasticized/cuffed version as well with the colors dyed into the fabric not at all like the jersey you are selling, and I am not understanding how large shoulderpads stretch the sleeves tighter to the arm as you stated? I just think they are different sleeves

Regards,
Dave

[CollectGU]

Re: Need opinions on this Chiefs jersey (Derrick Thomas)

Also, is it possible to post some pictures here of the hit marks and tears on the jersey? I think it will help those from the forum interested in bidding....

Regards,
Dave

[aeneas01]

Re: Need opinions on this Chiefs jersey (Derrick Thomas)

although i know almost nothing about jerseys, imo this garb has some problems. for one it's advertised as a dt "rookie era" jersey".

"This is the rookie era, early career, coveted red home jersey of the greatest KC Chief of All Time, Derrick Thomas."

"Authentic game used DT jerseys are extremely rare, and seldom hit the hobby. Check out this link to an inferior DT game worn jersey (link) with a distracting personalized autograph, not a rookie era jersey, not a home jersey (the home red is FAR more sought after), which brought $1,835 plus 20% auction house juice (total: $2,202)."

"The photos in this auction are a style match for DT wearing this type of jersey, and the original newspaper wire photo (B&W) of Derrick setting the All Time Sack Record (7 sacks VS Seattle at home in 1990) is included. This may be the very jersey DT wore to set this record (note the placement of the Wilson "W" on his left sleeve and the Wilson tag on the bottom right of this jersey as well)."

the problem is teams didn't begin wearing nfl shields at the collar of their jerseys until 1991 - derrick thomas's rookie year was 1989. so, at best, the listed jersey is from dt's third year, not rookie year or "rookie era".

further, the ad states that the listed jersey could "be the very jersey" dt wore when he set the sack record in 1990 - again, dt didn't wear a jersey with an nfl shield at the collar in 1990 so it couldn't be the jersey he wore when he set the record.

i also find the seller's explanation regarding the lack of hit marks a reach - derrick thomas was an nfl linebacker, period. he was also one of the best and most physical nfl linebackers to have ever played the game. as such, his jerseys should reflect this - and do.

and, of course, the sleeves are not the same...

jmo.