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mmonte4
03-30-2006, 09:18 PM
I had always thought that the jerseys that the Bulls wore in 84-85 were SAND KNIT. Were they really made by Rawlings? Did Jordan actually wear a size 42 in both home and away jerseys? Also, do you have any knowledge that these authentic Wilson jerseys were released to the public- I would have a tough time telling the difference between a game used jersey and a simple authentic considering the gamer has no special tagging? Your response is much appreciated.

http://www.greyflannelauctions.com/showdetail.cfm?Lot=730&Search=jordan

trsent
03-30-2006, 09:54 PM
Yes, the Bulls wore Rawlings Michael Jordan's Rookie Season, they changed to a different manufacturer his second season and started wearing sand-knit not until his third season.

1984-85 Rawlings
1985-86 ???, I forget??
1986-87 Sand-Knit, no year tag
1987-90 Sand-Knit, with year tag
1990-1997 Champion
1997-98 Nike, Made in USA

suave1477
03-31-2006, 12:55 AM
To be honest comparing prices dam thats a steal if i had $10,000 to blow on a game used jersey i would definitely get that one.

When I say comparing prices I am referring to a regular season game used jeter jersey which is anywhere from $10,000 to $20,000

$10,000 for a rookie Jordan jersey autographed by Jordan - a man who revolutionized the game of basketball

You cant go wrong!!!

hblakewolf
03-31-2006, 07:05 AM
Forum readers-
I have seen a few Jordan Rookie jerseys in previous auctions. I remember them as having the standard red Rawlings tag in the tail, and not in the collar.

Can Both Team Played Hard or another Forum readers shed some light on this?

Thanks.
Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

mmonte4
03-31-2006, 11:41 AM
Howard,

Here is an example of a 84-85 Bulls home jersey. The tag appears to be on the collar.

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=27174

hblakewolf
03-31-2006, 11:52 AM
Howard,

Here is an example of a 84-85 Bulls home jersey. The tag appears to be on the collar.

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=27174

Thanks for the post-it does indeed appear that the 84/5 jerseys have this type of collar tagging. Great research!

I have never seen another "pro" (not retail) NBA jersey with this type of Rawlings tag.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

mmonte4
03-31-2006, 12:00 PM
That was my point Howard, how is one able to tell the difference between an 84-85 Bulls retail jersey and the game worn version?

hblakewolf
03-31-2006, 12:31 PM
That was my point Howard, how is one able to tell the difference between an 84-85 Bulls retail jersey and the game worn version?

We need to rely on others with more knowledge on NBA and possibly someone on the Forum has a Bulls 84/5 gamer that may shed some additional light on this.

As I originally posted, I have never seen collar tagging like this on a Rawlings gamer.

Calling all experts-please respond.

Thanks.
Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

mmonte4
03-31-2006, 01:12 PM
"Calling all experts-please respond."


Yes, is Lou Lampson or Grey Flannel in the house?! j/k :rolleyes:

trsent
03-31-2006, 01:13 PM
We need to rely on others with more knowledge on NBA and possibly someone on the Forum has a Bulls 84/5 gamer that may shed some additional light on this.

As I originally posted, I have never seen collar tagging like this on a Rawlings gamer.

Calling all experts-please respond.


Howard, just curious, were you looking to bid on the jersey you are questioning?

Just curious.

hblakewolf
03-31-2006, 01:23 PM
Hello Joel-
No, I'm not planning on bidding on this particular jersey. I just remember seeing a rookie Jordan a few years ago, and don't recall ever seeing this type of tagging.

When it comes to Jordan, my collecting focus is on his 1994 baseball equipment. I currently own his 1994 White Sox pre-game, pants, hat, batting gloves/wristbands, and 3 game used bats. I'm still seeking a pair of his spikes from either the Sox or the Barons. Joel, do you know where a pair might be offered for sale? I've attached 2 photos of my Sox warm-up.

Thanks.
Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net
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both-teams-played-hard
03-31-2006, 01:25 PM
I think the GFC Jordan has a tail tag, also. The size in the collar, the tail tag just says "Rawlings". I have always assumed this is the way a correct Jordan Rookie is tagged. I believe the Bulls wore Rawlings in Jordan's second year, also. I have never known of a pro-quality replica made by Rawlings, from that era. I do not know Rawlings' salesman's sample history, either.

trsent
03-31-2006, 01:31 PM
Howard, I do not recall having game used spikes, but I did have about 10 pair of the 45 made of the Upper Deck Authenticated baseball cleats in giant display. They were pretty cool, often sold for around $7000.00 a pair. If any surface, I bet they won't realize more than $2000.00 these days.

both-teams-played-hard
03-31-2006, 01:58 PM
Also, The GFC Jordan and the AMI Woolridge are described as having "screened" lettering and numbers. In fact, they are heat-pressed. Heat-pressed are vinyl "iron-on" and screened are "painted" or "stenciled".

trsent
03-31-2006, 02:06 PM
Also, The GFC Jordan and the AMI Woolridge are described as having "screened" lettering and numbers. In fact, they are heat-pressed. Heat-pressed are vinyl "iron-on" and screened are "painted" or "stenciled".

Can you elaborate on that? It confuses me.

byergo
03-31-2006, 02:59 PM
Jordan's rookie uni (and shoes) were sweeet!

dcha16
10-20-2006, 05:59 PM
Hi all - not sure if this will be of interest, but I purchased the jersey in question and had it graded by MEARS. They graded it an A8 with the only issue being the tail tag which was missing, most likely due to it being washed out over time. The collar tag checked out, the jersey matched photos, exhibited the correct NOB drop and was the correct length.

ISUbirdjersey
10-28-2006, 07:39 PM
I never saw the jersey at auction. Would you post a few pics?

gameused
10-31-2006, 04:16 AM
Hello Joel-
No, I'm not planning on bidding on this particular jersey. I just remember seeing a rookie Jordan a few years ago, and don't recall ever seeing this type of tagging.

When it comes to Jordan, my collecting focus is on his 1994 baseball equipment. I currently own his 1994 White Sox pre-game, pants, hat, batting gloves/wristbands, and 3 game used bats. I'm still seeking a pair of his spikes from either the Sox or the Barons. Joel, do you know where a pair might be offered for sale? I've attached 2 photos of my Sox warm-up.

Thanks.
Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net
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Howard,

Do you know if only Russell Athletic issued the Jordan warm up jersey in 1994? I found a pic of a Jordan wearing a similar warm up jersey to the one you own, it's not a Russell jersey, could this be an early Majestic tag on the right sleeve? If you look at Jordans cap it has his number 45 written on the underside of the brim.

Bobby

hblakewolf
10-31-2006, 08:59 AM
Great photo. If I had to guess, this photo is from the one game Jordanplayed in 1994 as a Chicago white sox, the windy City Classic against the cross-town Cubs. Notice who is interviewing him-Harry Carey!

I have photos of Jordan and the White Sox wearing both Majestic and Russell pre-games in 1994. It's funny because when I purchased my 1994 Jordan pre-game and matching road pants (Russell brand), a well known auction house said there was no way it was real, as Jordan only wore Wilson brand baseball equipment and signed an exclusive agreement with Wilson. When I produced several photos of him wearing both Russell and Majestic jerseys/pants, that put an end to that rumor!

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

dcha16
11-04-2006, 06:34 PM
pics below

mjfan
11-05-2006, 03:04 PM
Nice shirt...How much did it end up selling for?

arodriguez031907
04-20-2009, 01:12 PM
Yes, the Bulls wore Rawlings Michael Jordan's Rookie Season, they changed to a different manufacturer his second season and started wearing sand-knit not until his third season.

1984-85 Rawlings
1985-86 ???, I forget??
1986-87 Sand-Knit, no year tag
1987-90 Sand-Knit, with year tag
1990-1997 Champion
1997-98 Nike, Made in USA

So far...every one states that my MJ Jersey is authentic. It's a Sandknit.

I can be emailed at: arodriguez031907@aol.com just in case I loose this thread. My initial post is at: http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=24895