Pee Wee Resse Jersey In Grey Flannel Auction

[hblakewolf]

Current offering in Grey Flannel's current auction:

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=33851

Lot #732: 1962 Pee Wee Reese Los Angeles Dodgers Coaches Worn & Autographed Home Flannel Jersey (JSA)

Bidding (http://www.greyflannelauctions.com/LotDetail3.aspx?lotid=21148#Bidding) Watch this lot (http://www.greyflannelauctions.com/Login.aspx?back=LotDetail3.aspx?lotid=21148&watchlot=true)
On the left front tail of the jersey is the "Tim McAuliffe" label. Attached below are the size "42" and year “62” tags. It looks like the player felt tag was taken off in the minors. “ESPINAL” has been written in the collar in black marker. Across the front is "DODGERS" in script style letters which are made of blue felt. The player number "1" appears below on the left in red felt. On the back is the player number “1” in blue felt. Autographed on front in black marker and rates a 6. The jersey shows good wear and besides being sent to the minors appears to have no other alterations of any kind. The autograph is accompanied by a LOA from JSA.
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According to available published information, Reese did indeed serve as a coach for the Dogers, however, it was for the 1959 season, not 1962.

Per published information, "following his retirement as a player, Reese enjoyed considerable success as a play-by-play (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play-by-play)announcer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Announcer) on network television (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television). He called games for CBS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBS) from 1960–1965 (with Dizzy Dean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dizzy_Dean)) and for NBC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC) from 1966–1968 (with Curt Gowdy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curt_Gowdy)). Reese also broadcast several World Series for NBC radio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio)."

Does anyone have any insight on Reese being a coach with the Dodgers in 1962?

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@comcast.net

[hblakewolf]

Current offering in Grey Flannel's current auction:

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=33851

Lot #732: 1962 Pee Wee Reese Los Angeles Dodgers Coaches Worn & Autographed Home Flannel Jersey (JSA)

Bidding (http://www.greyflannelauctions.com/LotDetail3.aspx?lotid=21148#Bidding) Watch this lot (http://www.greyflannelauctions.com/Login.aspx?back=LotDetail3.aspx?lotid=21148&watchlot=true)
On the left front tail of the jersey is the "Tim McAuliffe" label. Attached below are the size "42" and year “62” tags. It looks like the player felt tag was taken off in the minors. “ESPINAL” has been written in the collar in black marker. Across the front is "DODGERS" in script style letters which are made of blue felt. The player number "1" appears below on the left in red felt. On the back is the player number “1” in blue felt. Autographed on front in black marker and rates a 6. The jersey shows good wear and besides being sent to the minors appears to have no other alterations of any kind. The autograph is accompanied by a LOA from JSA.
__________________________________________________ _____________

According to available published information, Reese did indeed serve as a coach for the Dogers, however, it was for the 1959 season, not 1962.

Per published information, "following his retirement as a player, Reese enjoyed considerable success as a play-by-play (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play-by-play)announcer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Announcer) on network television (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television). He called games for CBS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBS) from 1960–1965 (with Dizzy Dean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dizzy_Dean)) and for NBC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC) from 1966–1968 (with Curt Gowdy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curt_Gowdy)). Reese also broadcast several World Series for NBC radio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio)."

Does anyone have any insight on Reese being a coach with the Dodgers in 1962?

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@comcast.net




Whoops! Here is the correct auction link:
http://www.greyflannelauctions.com/LotDetail3.aspx?lotid=21148

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@comcast.net

[earlywynnfan]

I thought Reese was one of those Spring Training coaches, kind of like Koufax did.

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

[lon lewis]

Here's the problem with claiming/thinking that it was a '62 spring training coaches jersey. The Dodgers didn't order those McAuliffe jerseys until March 8 which means if Reese was a "spring training coach" in '62 he was either wearing a hand me down/recycle or he was naked. There is no mention of Reese on the order sheet for '62.

[hblakewolf]

Here's the problem with claiming/thinking that it was a '62 spring training coaches jersey. The Dodgers didn't order those McAuliffe jerseys until March 8 which means if Reese was a "spring training coach" in '62 he was either wearing a hand me down/recycle or he was naked. There is no mention of Reese on the order sheet for '62.

On a related note, I believe one of the Dodgers minor league teams also wore this exact same style in 1962 also manufactured by McAuliffe and also with the same tagging/names sewn in the tail?

I remember Dick Dobbins once had a bunch for sale and all had minor league names embroidered, but looked and were tagged exactly like the MLB jerseys.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@comcast.net

[xpress34]

From : http://www.essortment.com/all/peeweereese_ravo.htm

"Reese's playing career ended early in the 1958 season,when the team had moved to Los Angeles. He spent the 1959 season as a coach for the team but never returned to the field in much more than an honorary capacity."

Possibly he used it for an Old Timer's Game or something??? Just a thought...

Not that that makes it a 'Gamer' per say - kind of like my 'GAME USED' :rolleyes:Goose Gossage Colorado Rockies hat he wore while he was a roving scout/instructor for them a few years back.

I mean I wouldn't give the hat up - Goose did wear it in an 'Official' Capacity for the Rockies and he signed it.

If I find items like that that I like and are in my range, I'll buy them for the collection. Again, it may not be a true 'gamer', but if it was indeed worn and signed by a HOFer, it can be a cheaper way to add one of their items to my collection.

Just my .02

- Chris

[hblakewolf]

From : http://www.essortment.com/all/peeweereese_ravo.htm

"Reese's playing career ended early in the 1958 season,when the team had moved to Los Angeles. He spent the 1959 season as a coach for the team but never returned to the field in much more than an honorary capacity."

Possibly he used it for an Old Timer's Game or something??? Just a thought...

Not that that makes it a 'Gamer' per say - kind of like my 'GAME USED' :rolleyes:Goose Gossage Colorado Rockies hat he wore while he was a roving scout/instructor for them a few years back.

I mean I wouldn't give the hat up - Goose did wear it in an 'Official' Capacity for the Rockies and he signed it.

If I find items like that that I like and are in my range, I'll buy them for the collection. Again, it may not be a true 'gamer', but if it was indeed worn and signed by a HOFer, it can be a cheaper way to add one of their items to my collection.

Just my .02

- Chris

Chris-

Thanks for the post.

Your question about this jersey possibly being worn by Resse in an Old Timers Game would be a tough stretch, but the description from Grey Flannel clearly reads "Lot #732: 1962 Pee Wee Reese Los Angeles Dodgers Coaches Worn & Autographed Home Flannel Jersey (JSA)"

Likewise, you note, "....if it was indeed worn and signed by a HOFer, it can be a cheaper way to add one of their items to my collection." As noted in my initial post, was this "indeed worn" by Reese a coach for the 1962 season? If so, and if photos, rosters, etc. can support the claim that Reese wore it as noted during the 1962 season as a coach, then indeed it would be an attractive jersey at a fraction of the cost. As of this update, no evidence has been found, forwarded or confirmed to me about him being a Dodger's coach in 1962.

An email has been sent directly to Grey Flannel, seeking answers as to what was used and what information they have in order to offer this particular jersey as Reese's 1962 coaches jersey?

If any Forum reader has information to support this jersey as being offered, please forward to my email below.

Thanks.
Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@comcast.net

[rose14]

Since Pee Wee was calling games with Dizzy Dean starting in 1960 I find it hard to believe that this jersey was "Coaches Worn" by Pee Wee.

[sox83cubs84]

I checked my 1962 Street & Smith's yearbook with preseason rosters, and Reese is not listed as a coach. On top of it, that conveinently washed out NIT tag doesn't exactly boost my confidence.:eek:

Dave M.
Chicago area

[suicide_squeeze]

Chris-

Thanks for the post.

Your question about this jersey possibly being worn by Resse in an Old Timers Game would be a tough stretch, but the description from Grey Flannel clearly reads "Lot #732: 1962 Pee Wee Reese Los Angeles Dodgers Coaches Worn & Autographed Home Flannel Jersey (JSA)"

Likewise, you note, "....if it was indeed worn and signed by a HOFer, it can be a cheaper way to add one of their items to my collection." As noted in my initial post, was this "indeed worn" by Reese a coach for the 1962 season? If so, and if photos, rosters, etc. can support the claim that Reese wore it as noted during the 1962 season as a coach, then indeed it would be an attractive jersey at a fraction of the cost. As of this update, no evidence has been found, forwarded or confirmed to me about him being a Dodger's coach in 1962.

An email has been sent directly to Grey Flannel, seeking answers as to what was used and what information they have in order to offer this particular jersey as Reese's 1962 coaches jersey?

If any Forum reader has information to support this jersey as being offered, please forward to my email below.

Thanks.
Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@comcast.net

Howard,

I highlighted and enlarged the parts I want to comment on.

None will be found.

And it also lost a bit of luster as someone spilled their diet coke on Pee Wee's signature while haqndling this fine piece......eesch! T.J., maybe?

The second part......If you were the one who asked the questions....I hope you weren't planning on bidding on any of their auctions in the near future....

Regards,

Steve

[xpress34]

Chris-

Thanks for the post.

Your question about this jersey possibly being worn by Resse in an Old Timers Game would be a tough stretch, but the description from Grey Flannel clearly reads "Lot #732: 1962 Pee Wee Reese Los Angeles Dodgers Coaches Worn & Autographed Home Flannel Jersey (JSA)"

Likewise, you note, "....if it was indeed worn and signed by a HOFer, it can be a cheaper way to add one of their items to my collection." As noted in my initial post, was this "indeed worn" by Reese a coach for the 1962 season? If so, and if photos, rosters, etc. can support the claim that Reese wore it as noted during the 1962 season as a coach, then indeed it would be an attractive jersey at a fraction of the cost. As of this update, no evidence has been found, forwarded or confirmed to me about him being a Dodger's coach in 1962.

An email has been sent directly to Grey Flannel, seeking answers as to what was used and what information they have in order to offer this particular jersey as Reese's 1962 coaches jersey?

If any Forum reader has information to support this jersey as being offered, please forward to my email below.

Thanks.
Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@comcast.net

Howard -

I have NO doubt that this jersey is NOT COACH worn since all Baseball References clearly state that Resse ONLY Coached in '58 and never returned to the field.

I'm only questioning that Reese MIGHT have worn the jersey at an Old Timers Game (I have as yet to ever be able to find any real good records for Old Timer's Game Rosters except for the occasional program) and that whoever 'AUTHENTICATED' the jersey did not use due diligence and simply figured that since Reese quit playing in the late '50s that he must have been a coach without so much as cracking a Baseball Reference Book / Guide.

If it could be shown that Reese participated in an Old Timer's Game or possibly even as a 'Special Assistant' at Vero Beach in Spring '62 - either of those would add more credence to the jersey - especially since NO '62 Dodgers Roster I can find shows ANY player wearing #1 that year.

As an example though, Rusty Greer was at Surprise - IN UNIFORM - this Spring with the Rangers as an Assistant, but he wasn't listed on any of the team/coach rosters I saw or could find. I'm just saying that I have seen this a LOT with 'Modern' Teams having former players back at Spring in Uni as Assistants (Again - Goose w the Rockies) without any Official record of them being there.

I am in NO WAY defending GF listing this a s a GAME WORN COACHES Jersey - I'm certain that it is NOT that. Just hypothesizing on what exactly this jersey COULD be.

All the best -

Chris

[ChrisCavalier]

Hello Everyone,

Earlier today, we went in and deleted a number of posts in this thread that were personal in nature and did not add to the value of this thread.

In addition, given the goal of the forum is to help educate collectors, we have amended rule #16 in the forum rules to read as follows:

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[sammy]

This is what I like to see.

A nice, clean, informative post.

[trsent]

This is what I like to see.

A nice, clean, informative post.

I was thinking the same thing and wondering why my post was removed asking Howard Wolf if he wanted for me to try to set up a conference call with him and Grey Flannel so I could try to mediate their personal issues so maybe they can work together in the industry.

[sammy]

Joel,

Howard's e-mail address is on all his postings, same as yours.

You can e-mail Howard directly in the future if you have any other suggestions or questions.

We can keep the boards cleaner if you will try this first.

[hblakewolf]

I checked my 1962 Street & Smith's yearbook with preseason rosters, and Reese is not listed as a coach. On top of it, that conveinently washed out NIT tag doesn't exactly boost my confidence.:eek:

Dave M.
Chicago area

Dave-

Your findings are consistent with those of every other individual I’ve spoken with or exchanged emails with since originally making this post last week.

Quite a few Forum readers, collectors and myself have all been left scratching our heads on this “1962 Reese Coaches jersey”, as not a single shred of evidence has been located to support it being as advertised in the current Grey Flannel auction. No photos, rosters, news articles, NOTHING. ZIP. NADA.

Certainly one would have to believe Grey Flannel has some type of evidence they can produce through their research (remember, they are “THE STANDARD OF THE INDUSTRY”), and as such, I sent the following email last Thursday evening, with no reply as of this post:



From: Howard Wolf [mailto:Hblakewolf@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 10:15 PM
To: 'gfcsports@aol.com'
Subject: PEE WEE REESE

Hello-

I have a customer who collects Reese equipment. You claim that the Dodgers #1 home jersey is from 1962, and is a game worn coaches Reese. Can you forward your supporting information/research that allows you to offer this as his coaches jersey? I can not locate anything that notes him being a coach with the Dodgers in 1962

Thanks.
Howard Wolf


When I’ve had questions concerning jerseys or equipment in other various auction houses, I’ve always found the exchange and questions to be extremely helpful. Questions directed to Lelands, MEARS, Vintage Authentics, Heritage, Huggins and Scott and MASTRO have all received responses. Likewise, when a questionable item has been presented to these auction houses, it’s been my experience that they either can produce supporting evidence to confirm authenticity or if not, the item is removed. Based on the introduction in the current Grey Flannel catalog and the following statement by President Richard Russek and CEO Michael Rosenbaum, “There is very little science to authenticating in this hobby, mostly opinion” is it possible that there is no evidence????? Is this shirt being offered based strictly on opinion?

Should any Forum reader, collector or the folks at Grey Flannel have a shred of evidence to support the jersey in question as being worn by Reese as a coach in 1962, please forward to me at the address below.

Thanks.
Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@comcast.net

[hblakewolf]

UPDATE:

The "1962 coaches Reese jersey" sold for $588.

http://www.greyflannelauctions.com/LotDetail3.aspx?lotid=21148

No reply to my email was ever received from the folks at Grey Flannel, nor could any forum reader or collector provide a single shred of evidence to prove Reese was a coach with the Dodgers in 1962.:confused:

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@comcast.net

[suicide_squeeze]

UPDATE:

The "1962 coaches Reese jersey" sold for $588.

http://www.greyflannelauctions.com/LotDetail3.aspx?lotid=21148

No reply to my email was ever received from the folks at Grey Flannel, nor could any forum reader or collector provide a single shred of evidence to prove Reese was a coach with the Dodgers in 1962.:confused:

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@comcast.net


I'd say the forum did their job on this particular item........$588.00 for a 1962 Hall of Famer "Game Worn" coaches jersey??

See people, we are making a difference.:)