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BergerKing22784
05-07-2009, 10:48 AM
Positive drug test its on espn right now!!!!

justinlm24
05-07-2009, 10:51 AM
in two words: You surprised???

I am shocked, but it doesn't surprise me AT ALL. The whole steroids era in baseball is ruining the game as we know it. Quite frankly it's a shame.....

trsent
05-07-2009, 10:52 AM
in two words: You surprised???

I am shocked, but it doesn't surprise me AT ALL. The whole steroids era in baseball is ruining the game as we know it. Quite frankly it's a shame.....

Do they test these guys for weed and coke anymore?

trsent
05-07-2009, 10:53 AM
Positive drug test its on espn right now!!!!

Major League Baseball is expected to announce Thursday that Los Angeles Dodgers outfielder Manny Ramirez has tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs and will be suspended for 50 games, The Los Angeles Times is reporting.

Ramirez's suspension is expected to be announced Thursday, The Times said.

Triple-A outfielder Xavier Paul has been told by the Dodgers that he will be promoted later today, according to The Times.

suave1477
05-07-2009, 10:53 AM
ALL I HAVE TO SAY AT THIS POINT, IS ANYONE CLEAN????????

NEXT THING YOU KNOW, THERE GONNA SAY AROD WAS USING PED'S lol lol:D

Rob L
05-07-2009, 10:58 AM
Another one bites the dust! Anyone want to buy a 2004 ManRam jersey?

dodgersfan
05-07-2009, 10:59 AM
F**k !!!!!!!

justinlm24
05-07-2009, 10:59 AM
Another one bites the dust! Anyone want to buy a 2004 ManRam jersey?
I'll open the bidding at $150......

suave1477
05-07-2009, 11:03 AM
I'll open the bidding at $150......

Second Bid - $125

suicide_squeeze
05-07-2009, 11:04 AM
They are saying it was medication prescibed for his personal use.

I guess we'll see.

Sad news......unreal. Timing also couldn't be worse.

cordovacollector
05-07-2009, 11:09 AM
This isn't really a surprise, is it?

justinlm24
05-07-2009, 11:10 AM
They are saying it was medication prescibed for his personal use.

I guess we'll see.

Sad news......unreal. Timing also couldn't be worse.
Isn't that what they all say once they get busted?? What a shame. Manny was so talented. I just gotta ask why?? WHY?? He didn't need it!!! Me being a Red Sox fan I gotta wonder if this was going on with his days in Boston? WHY!!!!!!

ironmanfan
05-07-2009, 11:13 AM
there goes Cooperstown for Manny

gameu08
05-07-2009, 11:20 AM
is it only a matter of time before Pujols pops up?

suave1477
05-07-2009, 11:22 AM
This in the article of the Daily News

Speaking of the list of 104 names

In April, baseball's primary steroid accuser Jose Canseco (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Jose+Canseco) told a reporter from the Los Angeles Times (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Los+Angeles+Times) that Ramirez's name was "most likely, 90 percent" on the list, but admitted he had "no way of knowing."
Ramirez had no response to Canseco's charges, telling reporters his response was "nothing."

otismalibu
05-07-2009, 11:23 AM
Isn't cheating simply a part of baseball? Let 'em all play.

Doctor the ball, cork the bats, juice all ya want!

ndevlin
05-07-2009, 11:27 AM
This in the article of the Daily News

Speaking of the list of 104 names

In April, baseball's primary steroid accuser Jose Canseco (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Jose+Canseco) told a reporter from the Los Angeles Times (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Los+Angeles+Times) that Ramirez's name was "most likely, 90 percent" on the list, but admitted he had "no way of knowing."
Ramirez had no response to Canseco's charges, telling reporters his response was "nothing."


Canseco is kinda a weirdo, but he's been right this whole time with just about everyone. I definitely give him credit for that.

suicide_squeeze
05-07-2009, 11:32 AM
Isn't that what they all say once they get busted?? What a shame. Manny was so talented. I just gotta ask why?? WHY?? He didn't need it!!! Me being a Red Sox fan I gotta wonder if this was going on with his days in Boston? WHY!!!!!!

If what was going on?

I am not being naive, when I sit in the stands and look at Manny and his broad strong shoulders.....I have wondered.

But he has been known to have an unmatched work ethic....very disiplined.

So we'll see. It's upsetting, but to just ASSUME it's STEROIDS may be wrong. I would suggest you be patient and wait for the details before you hang the guy.

BULBUS
05-07-2009, 11:35 AM
This is the best news Arod has heard in a long time! :D This wiil take some of the heat off of him.

ndevlin
05-07-2009, 11:40 AM
If what was going on?

I am not being naive, when I sit in the stands and look at Manny and his broad strong shoulders.....I have wondered.

But he has been known to have an unmatched work ethic....very disiplined.

So we'll see. It's upsetting, but to just ASSUME it's STEROIDS may be wrong. I would suggest you be patient and wait for the details before you hang the guy.

Right, but steriods or perscription drugs, he still took something that was banned from MLB.

I dont see what the question is. He was taking a drug that had something illegal in it. Whether he knew it or not, he was still taking it and had an advantage. Afterall, isnt this why Palmeiro is in the situation he is in now?

"Ultimately, although I never intentionally put a banned substance into my body, the independent arbitrator ruled that I had to be suspended under the terms of the program." According to Palmeiro all of his previous tests over the two years including the 2003 sealed test were negative, and a test he took just three weeks after his positive test was also negative."

dodgersfan
05-07-2009, 11:41 AM
Manny to serve 50-game suspension

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Major League Baseball announced Thursday that Los Angeles Dodgers (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=lad) outfielder Manny Ramirez (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=2974) has been suspended for 50 games for violating its drug policy.

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Ramirez

The commissioner's office didn't announce the specific violation by Ramirez, but in a statement Thursday provided by Major League Baseball, Ramirez attributed the violation to medication he had been prescribed by a doctor.
"Recently I saw a physician for a personal health issue. He gave me a medication, not a steroid, which he thought was OK to give me," Ramirez said. "Unfortunately, the medication was banned under our drug policy. Under the policy that mistake is now my responsibility. I have been advised not to say anything more for now.
"I do want to say one other thing; I've taken and passed about 15 drug tests over the past five seasons. I want to apologize to [Dodgers owner Frank] McCourt, Mrs. McCourt, [manager Joe] Torre, my teammates, the Dodger organization, and to the Dodger fans. LA is a special place to me and I know everybody is disappointed. So am I. I'm sorry about this whole situation."
After consultation with the Players' Association and his personal representatives, Ramirez waived his right to challenge the suspension. He will lose about one-third of his $25 million salary.
Ramirez's test result was first reported by the Los Angeles Times.
Triple-A outfielder Xavier Paul has been told by the Dodgers that he will be promoted later today, according to The Times. Ramirez would be eligible to return to the Dodgers' lineup for their July 3 game against San Diego.
In his first full season as a Dodger, Ramirez is batting .348 with six home runs and 20 RBIs. Los Angeles has bolted to a 21-8 record -- best in the majors -- and a 13-0 record at home that set the modern major league record for home winning streak to start a season.
The report of a Ramirez positive test is the second to rock the sport in three months. In February, New York Yankees (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=nyy) third baseman Alex Rodriguez (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=3115) admitted that he used steroids from 2001-2003 while with the Texas Rangers (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=tex).

3arod13
05-07-2009, 11:57 AM
This is the best news Arod has heard in a long time! :D This wiil take some of the heat off of him.

Although I wish none of this ever happened, I'm glad to see Arod can at least take a day or two of rest from being bashed. Let Manny have a few days of it.

I wish all 103 names would come out. No one person should take the heat alone out of 103 who did it.

3arod13
05-07-2009, 11:59 AM
Manny to serve 50-game suspension

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Major League Baseball announced Thursday that Los Angeles Dodgers (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=lad) outfielder Manny Ramirez (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=2974) has been suspended for 50 games for violating its drug policy.

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Ramirez

The commissioner's office didn't announce the specific violation by Ramirez, but in a statement Thursday provided by Major League Baseball, Ramirez attributed the violation to medication he had been prescribed by a doctor.
"Recently I saw a physician for a personal health issue. He gave me a medication, not a steroid, which he thought was OK to give me," Ramirez said. "Unfortunately, the medication was banned under our drug policy. Under the policy that mistake is now my responsibility. I have been advised not to say anything more for now.
"I do want to say one other thing; I've taken and passed about 15 drug tests over the past five seasons. I want to apologize to [Dodgers owner Frank] McCourt, Mrs. McCourt, [manager Joe] Torre, my teammates, the Dodger organization, and to the Dodger fans. LA is a special place to me and I know everybody is disappointed. So am I. I'm sorry about this whole situation."
After consultation with the Players' Association and his personal representatives, Ramirez waived his right to challenge the suspension. He will lose about one-third of his $25 million salary.
Ramirez's test result was first reported by the Los Angeles Times.
Triple-A outfielder Xavier Paul has been told by the Dodgers that he will be promoted later today, according to The Times. Ramirez would be eligible to return to the Dodgers' lineup for their July 3 game against San Diego.
In his first full season as a Dodger, Ramirez is batting .348 with six home runs and 20 RBIs. Los Angeles has bolted to a 21-8 record -- best in the majors -- and a 13-0 record at home that set the modern major league record for home winning streak to start a season.
The report of a Ramirez positive test is the second to rock the sport in three months. In February, New York Yankees (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=nyy) third baseman Alex Rodriguez (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?playerId=3115) admitted that he used steroids from 2001-2003 while with the Texas Rangers (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?team=tex).


Why? - Ramirez waived his right to challenge the suspension

dodgersfan
05-07-2009, 12:01 PM
Because he's guilty.



Rudy

3arod13
05-07-2009, 12:07 PM
Because he's guilty.



Rudy

My point exactly!

quiggle28
05-07-2009, 12:14 PM
how many homeruns has David Ortiz hit this season?

3arod13
05-07-2009, 12:16 PM
Isn't that what they all say once they get busted?? What a shame. Manny was so talented. I just gotta ask why?? WHY?? He didn't need it!!! Me being a Red Sox fan I gotta wonder if this was going on with his days in Boston? WHY!!!!!!

Do you really have to ask yourself that question? Answer: YES

kingjammy24
05-07-2009, 12:16 PM
isn't that what almost all of them say? "oh my doctor/cousin/trainer gave me something and i didn't know what i was taking and i didn't know it was banned". barry thought it was a flax oil, arod and his "boli", clemens and palmeiro and their "B12", etc. "I don't know what they were," Giambi testified. "He didn't really explain them. He just had told me to take them." btw, steroids aren't the only performance-enhancers. HGH isn't a steroid.

anyway, here's a neat site for those keeping score: http://www.baseballssteroidera.com/

http://www.baseballssteroidera.com/bse-list-steroid-hgh-users-baseball.html

1998: "Everything I've done is natural. Everybody that I know in the game of baseball uses the same stuff I use" said McGwire"
2005: "I'm not here to talk about the past."

can't wait to see manny's song and dance. if he's smart he'll pull a sosa and no habla ingles.

rudy.

emann
05-07-2009, 12:18 PM
Right, but steriods or perscription drugs, he still took something that was banned from MLB.

I dont see what the question is. He was taking a drug that had something illegal in it. "


Hmm, prescribed by a doctor and he lives in CA? My guess is medicinal marijuana. Maybe he's got glaucoma...

Plus, look at his dreads. ;)

ironmanfan
05-07-2009, 12:19 PM
can't wait to see manny's song and dance. if he's smart he'll pull a sosa and no habla ingles.

rudy.

Or be ARod & blame his cousin

dodgersfan
05-07-2009, 12:25 PM
This is what the sporting community has to say about Manny.



Manny to serve 50-game suspension

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Thursday, May 7, 2009 Major League Baseball announced Thursday that Los Angeles Dodgers outfielder Manny Ramirez has been suspended for 50 games for violating its drug policy. The commissioner's office didn't announce the specific violation by Ramirez, but in a statement Thursday provided by Major League Baseball, Ramirez attributed the violation to medication he had been prescribed by a doctor. "Recently I saw a physician for a personal health issue. He gave me a medication, not a steroid, which he thought was O ...
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dodgersfan
05-07-2009, 12:26 PM
sorry,here we go.



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rudy

FastLane80
05-07-2009, 12:29 PM
At least ESPN has something to talk about until Farve watch 09 begins.


One person who is happy on the inside (besides Boston fans who are partying like it's 2004) is Juan Pierre.

3arod13
05-07-2009, 12:29 PM
Hmm, prescribed by a doctor and he lives in CA? My guess is medicinal marijuana. Maybe he's got glaucoma...

Plus, look at his dreads. ;)

He was seen with Ricky Williams the other day.

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whatupyos
05-07-2009, 12:31 PM
1998: "Everything I've done is natural. Everybody that I know in the game of baseball uses the same stuff I use" said McGwire"
2005: "I'm not here to talk about the past."

can't wait to see manny's song and dance. if he's smart he'll pull a sosa and no habla ingles.

rudy.


I get your point Rudy. But for McGwire, he said what he said, though largely unpopular with the public, because of his lawyers advise. I wouldn't want endless government investigations myself. Congress has no business getting involved in 'roids in baseball. They wasted tons of our hard earned tax payer dollars to arrive at a decision that they couldn't find out when the steriod era officially began. I'm glad baseball has testing now, but by all means, lets stop the Congressional BS.

Aaron

kingjammy24
05-07-2009, 12:58 PM
for me, the most surprising thing is that some people still doubt canseco when he releases another name.

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=24725

not bad for a drunk guy with little credibility. he's been right about every name so far. noone sued him over his what he said in his 2 books and the scenarios keep playing out predictably; he names some popular player, people say "no, not him! canseco's crazy. canseco's bitter.", the player issues a vague non-denial (in this case when first told of canseco's accusation: "I got no comment, nothing to say about that," Ramirez told Streeter. "What can I say? I don't even know the guy."), months later the player tests positive, acts surprised and then says that although he's a long-time multi-zillion dollar athlete, he was popping things he had no clue about and it's all his doctor/cousin/trainer's fault and the whole time he thought he was taking flintstones/gumdrops/fun dip.

at this point, with his track record, if canseco said eddie gaedel used steroids, i'd probably believe him.

rudy.

OaklandAsFan
05-07-2009, 12:59 PM
he got busted for taken a Viagra like substance!! might not be roids but why would a guy his age need Viagra if not for past roid use?? ;)

OaklandAsFan
05-07-2009, 01:00 PM
Source: Ramirez’s substance a sexual enhancer

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LOS ANGELES – A source close to Manny Ramirez(notes) said Thursday that the illegal substance for which the Los Angeles Dodgers slugger tested positive was not “an agent customarily used for performance enhancing.”

At least not on the baseball diamond. The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the substance is supposed to boost sex drive. It is not Viagra, but a substance that treats the cause rather providing a temporary boost in sexual performance, the source said.

Ramirez tested positive for the substance during spring training, then was administered a second test more recently, and it also was positive. Major League Baseball notified Ramirez of the second positive test after Wednesday night’s Dodgers victory over the Washington Nationals. Ramirez admitted to having taken the substance and declined to appeal. His 50-game suspension begins today.

“The substance is not a steroid and it is not human-growth hormone,” the source said.

Ramirez, the source said, acquired the substance through a prescription from a doctor in Miami for his medical condition. The source intimated that Ramirez might bring legal action against the physician.

Ramirez released the following statement Thursday morning: “Recently I saw a physician for a personal health issue. He gave me a medication, not a steroid, which he thought was okay to give me. Unfortunately, the medication was banned under our drug policy. Under the policy that mistake is now my responsibility. I have been advised not to say anything more for now. I do want to say one other thing; I’ve taken and passed about 15 drug tests over the past five seasons.

The Dodgers, who have won a Major League record 13 consecutive home games to start the season, will be without Ramirez until July 3. Outfielder Xavier Paul was promoted from triple-A to take Ramirez’s place on the roster. The suspension will cost Ramirez close to $8 million in lost wages.

whirl
05-07-2009, 01:03 PM
The baseball Annies got Manny?

FastLane80
05-07-2009, 01:09 PM
The suspension will cost Ramirez close to $8 million in lost wages.Hmmm $8 million will buy a nice pitcher. Could this be a good ting for the Dodgers in the long run? Peavy would look nice in Dodger Blue :D

OaklandAsFan
05-07-2009, 01:12 PM
Hmmm $8 million will buy a nice pitcher. Could this be a good ting for the Dodgers in the long run? Peavy would look nice in Dodger Blue :D


I think the team still has to pay the player it just goes into a fund or something for charity I could be wrong, I know in hockey they suspended players salary goes into a fund.

FanofGriffey3
05-07-2009, 01:12 PM
Maybe I am niave. But if the substance is not hgh or steriods why not appeal ? 8 million for a persricption drug from a doctor ! Sounds crazy to me.

OaklandAsFan
05-07-2009, 01:15 PM
Maybe I am niave. But if the substance is not hgh or steriods why not appeal ? 8 million for a persricption drug from a doctor ! Sounds crazy to me.


if its on the list then its on the list. many times they will ban substances just because it could throw a false positive or mask PED detection. Same reasoning why people on probation cannot eat poppy seeds cause it could show a false positive for heroin and give the guy some excuse so rather than allow for that excuse they just tell you that you cannot eat them.

trsent
05-07-2009, 01:20 PM
if its on the list then its on the list. many times they will ban substances just because it could throw a false positive or mask PED detection. Same reasoning why people on probation cannot eat poppy seeds cause it could show a false positive for heroin and give the guy some excuse so rather than allow for that excuse they just tell you that you cannot eat them.

Remember when we thought Russia was such a bad place back in the 1980's?

Boy, the USA is taking a lot of those political policies and turning to them today. We are such a sad nation that Manny Ramirez is the top story today and he may have not taken HGH or Steroids?

kingjammy24
05-07-2009, 01:24 PM
Maybe I am niave. But if the substance is not hgh or steriods why not appeal ? 8 million for a persricption drug from a doctor ! Sounds crazy to me.

1) there are more performance enhancers than simply steroids or HGH.

2) the source for this info is an "anonymous source close to ramirez" so who knows whether it's accurate or whether it's simply a friend trying to do some sort of damage control.

3) if the substance was indeed for sexual performance, then who's to say it doesn't or wouldn't enhance physical performance in general? why would the MLB ban a substance that only improved sexual performance?

"There have been some suggestions that the vasodilation effects of Viagra could improve the effect of anabolic steroids if taken together, but no real medical basis has proven that to be true. Viagra's vasodilation effect is fast-acting; it has a quick onset (as soon as 30 minutes) and is removed from the bloodstream within hours..."

"Dr. Gary Green, a clinical professor in UCLA's division of sports medicine and adviser to Major League Baseball on anabolic steroids, says he has not specifically heard of athletes' combining Viagra with anabolic steroids. But he is aware of over-the-counter supplements such as NO2 -- whose main component is an arginine compound purported to increase nitric oxide levels and therefore increase blood flow, effects similar to the effects of Viagra -- being used in conjunction with steroids. Green is quick to point out that scientific studies have shown there is no benefit from this combination, but he also adds that the placebo effect in athletes can be quite strong, and if they firmly believe that something is helping them, their performance can, in fact, improve."

manny went through a protracted holdout all summer with the dodgers over money. now he's willing to lose $8mm without so much as an appeal.

rudy.

Bondsgloves
05-07-2009, 01:24 PM
No wonder no one else wanted to sign Manny. Do you think he'll be taking a big pay cut next year or even get picked up? David Ortiz stopped just in time.

OaklandAsFan
05-07-2009, 01:28 PM
1) there are more performance enhancers than simply steroids or HGH.

2) the source for this info is an "anonymous source close to ramirez" so who knows whether it's accurate or whether it's simply a friend trying to do some sort of damage control.

3) if the substance was indeed for sexual performance, then who's to say it doesn't or wouldn't enhance physical performance in general? why would the MLB ban a substance that only improved sexual performance?

"There have been some suggestions that the vasodilation effects of Viagra could improve the effect of anabolic steroids if taken together, but no real medical basis has proven that to be true. Viagra's vasodilation effect is fast-acting; it has a quick onset (as soon as 30 minutes) and is removed from the bloodstream within hours..."

"Dr. Gary Green, a clinical professor in UCLA's division of sports medicine and adviser to Major League Baseball on anabolic steroids, says he has not specifically heard of athletes' combining Viagra with anabolic steroids. But he is aware of over-the-counter supplements such as NO2 -- whose main component is an arginine compound purported to increase nitric oxide levels and therefore increase blood flow, effects similar to the effects of Viagra -- being used in conjunction with steroids. Green is quick to point out that scientific studies have shown there is no benefit from this combination, but he also adds that the placebo effect in athletes can be quite strong, and if they firmly believe that something is helping them, their performance can, in fact, improve."

manny went through a protracted holdout all summer with the dodgers over money. now he's willing to lose $8mm without so much as an appeal.

rudy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_chorionic_gonadotropin

bigtruck260
05-07-2009, 01:42 PM
Drugs of abuse

Cocaine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocaine)
LSD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSD)
Marijuana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug))
Opiates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opiates) (e.g., heroin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin), codeine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codeine), morphine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphine))
MDMA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecstasy_(drug)) (“Ecstasy”)
GHB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-hydroxybutyrate)
Phencyclidine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phencyclidine) (“PCP”)Manny probably got prescribed Oxycodone (Percocet) or something like that. Doesn't really affect his performance if it's Percocet - actually inhibits it. I think Manny's rep will be restored.

camarokids
05-07-2009, 02:09 PM
MLB Network says he was suspended for taking a PED.....:D

He tested positive in Spring Training and again during the season.......

There goes the Dodgers season.....;) :D Bet the Padres are happy.....

3arod13
05-07-2009, 02:18 PM
Drugs of abuse

Cocaine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocaine)
LSD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSD)
Marijuana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug))
Opiates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opiates) (e.g., heroin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin), codeine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codeine), morphine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphine))
MDMA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecstasy_(drug)) (“Ecstasy”)
GHB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-hydroxybutyrate)
Phencyclidine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phencyclidine) (“PCP”)Manny probably got prescribed Oxycodone (Percocet) or something like that. Doesn't really affect his performance if it's Percocet - actually inhibits it. I think Manny's rep will be restored.

Seriously? He doesn't have that great of a rep as it is.

dodgersfan
05-07-2009, 02:25 PM
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Human Menopausal Gonadotropins are protein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein) hormones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormone) secreted by gonadotrope cells (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonadotrope_cell) of the pituitary gland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pituitary_gland) of vertebrates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertebrate).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonadotropin#cite_note-0)
Gonadotropin is sometimes abbreviated Gn. The British spelling is gonadotrophin.
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The two principal gonadotropins are luteinizing hormone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luteinizing_hormone) (LH) and follicle stimulating hormone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Follicle_stimulating_hormone) (FSH). Both hormones consist of two peptide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peptide) chains, an alpha chain and a beta chain, linked by Hydrogen bonds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_bonds) and van der Waals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Waals) forces. LH and FSH share nearly identical alpha chains, while the beta chain provides specificity for receptor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Receptor_(biochemistry)) interactions.
A third human gonadotropin is human chorionic gonadotropin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_chorionic_gonadotropin) (hCG), produced by the placenta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placenta) during pregnancy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregnancy).

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Gonadotropin receptors are embedded in the surface of the target cell membranes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_membrane) and coupled to the G-protein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-protein) system. Signals triggered by binding to the receptor are relayed within the cells by the cyclic AMP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_AMP) second messenger system.
Gonadotropins are released under the control of gonadotropin-releasing hormone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonadotropin-releasing_hormone) (GnRH) from the arcuate nucleus and preoptic area of the hypothalamus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothalamus). The gonads (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonad) — testes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testis) and ovaries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovary) — are the primary target organs for LH (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luteinizing_hormone) and FSH (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Follicle-stimulating_hormone). The gonadotropins affect multiple cell types and elicit multiple responses from the target organs. As a simplified generalization, LH (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luteinizing_hormone) stimulates the Leydig (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leydig) cells of the testes and the theca cells (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theca_cell) of the ovaries to produce testosterone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone) (and indirectly estradiol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estradiol)), while FSH (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Follicle-stimulating_hormone) stimulates the spermatogenic tissue of the testes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testes) and the granulosa cells (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granulosa_cell) of ovarian follicles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovarian_follicle).

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Gonadotropin deficiency due to pituitary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pituitary) disease results in hypogonadism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypogonadism), which can lead to infertility (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infertility). Treatment include administered gonadotropins, which therefore work as fertility medication (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertility_medication). Such can either be produced by extraction and purification from urine or it can be produced by recombinant DNA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recombinant_DNA).
Failure or loss of the gonads usually results in elevated levels of LH and FSH in the blood.

OaklandAsFan
05-07-2009, 02:35 PM
wikipedia wrote:
In the world of performance enhancing drugs, hCG is increasingly used in combination with various anabolic androgenic steroid (AAS) cycles. It is included in some sports' illegal drug lists.

When AAS are put into a male body, the body's natural negative-feedback loops cause the body to shut down its own production of testosterone via shutdown of the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis (HPGA). It is a common misconception that estrogen will be elevated post cycle. Generally, estrogen is below a normal level after a cycle.[11] High levels of AASs that mimic the body's natural testosterone trigger the hypothalamus to shut down its production of gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) from the hypothalamus. Without GnRH, the pituitary gland stops releasing luteinizing hormone (LH). LH normally travels from the pituitary via the blood stream to the testes, where it triggers the production and release of testosterone. Without LH, the testes shut down their production of testosterone, causing testicular atrophy.

In males, hCG mimics LH and helps restore and maintain testosterone production in the testes. As such, hCG is commonly used during and after steroid cycles to maintain and restore testicular size as well as endogenous testosterone production. However, if hCG is used for too long and in too high a dose, the resulting rise in natural testosterone will eventually inhibit its own production via negative feedback on the hypothalamus and pituitary.

kingjammy24
05-07-2009, 02:50 PM
CNNSI: "Banned substances can only be taken with prior knowledge and medical clearance from baseball's drug-program administrators. Such exceptions are known as Therapeutic Use Exemptions, or TUEs. The suspension is an indication Ramirez did not have a TUE for the substance. ESPN is citing two sources that say Ramirez used a women's fertility drug -- HCG, human chorionic gonadotropin -- that helps the body produce testosterone."

i imagine with the MLB crackdown, players are trying to get more creative. either that or maybe manny was trying for a bun in the oven.

rudy.

Canseco44
05-07-2009, 02:54 PM
I believe this is what Canseco was busted at the Border with trying to smuggle it in a while back. HCG is commonly used by steroid users to maintain the effects of steroids. If HCG is not used after a cycle, you will lose alot of what you have gained.

Todd

flaco1801
05-07-2009, 03:18 PM
oh its shock to everyone lolololol torre and the dodgers didnt know either..... gimme a break wouldnt have him for free

bigtruck260
05-07-2009, 03:40 PM
Manny - DUDE, what were you THINKING?:confused:

godwulf
05-07-2009, 04:24 PM
Hmm, prescribed by a doctor and he lives in CA? My guess is medicinal marijuana.

How is that a performance-enhancing drug? I mean, unless there's a taco stand on Third...:rolleyes:

mwbosoxfan
05-07-2009, 04:43 PM
Here is an excerpt from an article by Tony Massarotti, a Boston Globe writer highlighting some of Manny's numbers.

Entering the 2007 season, Ramirez was a .314 career hitter with a .600 career slugging percentage. In 2007, he batted .296 and slugged a mere .493. Those numbers continued along the same path of decline through much of last season; at the time the Red Sox sent him to the Dodgers, Ramirez was batting .299 with a slugging percentage of .529.

What has happened since, of course, has been a resurgence of Ruthian proportion. In one-third of a season with the Dodgers, Ramirez slugged .743 and hit nearly as many home runs (17) as he did in his last four months with the Red Sox (20). His slugging percentage since joining the Dodgers today stands at a robust .710, precisely .202 greater than the .508 he posted for the Red Sox from Opening Day 2007 up to last year’s trading deadline.

Along the way, Manny just happened top be playing for a new contract. Is it so outrageous to think he simply cycled up when he most needed it?

eisenreich8
05-07-2009, 05:35 PM
HOW'S THAT MANNY LOVE FEST GOING OUT IN LA, PEOPLE???

It was just a matter of time. As several of us have previously and accurately predicted, you will be (are being) sorry for this regrettable signing.

And I hope his legacy sits shoulder-to-shoulder with Roid Rocket Roger.

emann
05-07-2009, 07:12 PM
How is that a performance-enhancing drug? I mean, unless there's a taco stand on Third...:rolleyes:

Tell the competitive ultimate frisbee players, it gives them an edge... :cool:

kingjammy24
05-07-2009, 08:22 PM
a few of the more pertinent excerpts i've read from around the web:

"If Manny had a sexual problem, or some other medical problem, he could have applied for a therapeutic use exemption. Everyone in baseball understands this. More than 100 players have applied for and received TUEs."

"..testing by Major League Baseball showed that Ramirez had testosterone in his body that was not natural and came from an artificial source, two people with knowledge of the case told ESPN's Mark Fainaru-Wada and T.J. Quinn. The sources said that in addition to the artificial testosterone, Ramirez was identified as using the female fertility drug human chorionic gonadotropin, or hCG....

...Ramirez's case was set off when a test in spring training revealed he had elevated levels of testosterone in his body. MLB followed up with a more comprehensive test that confirmed the testosterone had to come from an artificial source, the sources said....

...While investigating, MLB obtained documents that indicated Ramirez's use of hCG, and it was those documents that formally were used to hand down the 50-game suspension. Baseball decided to suspend Ramirez for only hCG because, in the end, he would have only been suspended for just the 50 games either way. There was a chance Ramirez could have proved that the testosterone did not come from a banned substance, the MLB source said....

....The hCG use, a doping expert told ESPN, would have been separate from the use of the artificial testosterone reflected by MLB's testing.
Last fall, Canseco pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor offense of trying to bring hCG across the border from Mexico and was sentenced to 12 months' unsupervised probation. A self-admitted and longtime steroids user, Canseco said he sought the drug to try and restore his testosterone level....

"...It could be that a player used it because he used steroids and went cold-turkey and needed HCG to get his levels back to normal. I had to use it when I quit steroids cold-turkey," said Canseco. "I had to go to a doctor to get it and get my levels back...."

"...The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the drug was prescribed to address Ramirez’s erectile dysfunction....However, two sources said the substance Ramirez tested positive for was a gonadotropin. Major League Baseball’s list of banned substances includes the gonadotropins LH and HCG, which are most commonly used by women as fertility drugs. They also can be used to trigger testosterone production. Testosterone is depleted by steroid use, and low testosterone can cause erectile dysfunction... “Testosterone and similar drugs are effective for erectile dysfunction in that they jazz up your sex drive,” said Charles Yesalis, a professor at Penn State University who has testified before Congress on issues of performance-enhancing drugs. “But far more clinicians accept that affect with Viagra and Cialis. It’s hard for me to understand if it was erectile dysfunction why they would use it....”

...Another physician with experience in international drug-testing said LH and HCG are occasionally prescribed for men “whose testicles have basically stopped functioning...”

...The physician, who asked for anonymity because of his standing in the drug-testing community, said HCG is used to re-stimulate the testicles, primarily in men with a history of steroid use...."

"..What about Ken Griffey Jr? Canseco says Griffey has always been clean.."

in a few years, there are going to be some pretty lonely HOF inductions.

rudy.

yanks12025
05-07-2009, 08:37 PM
I don't know if someone said this but if Manny failed a test in Spring training and acouple weeks ago shouldn't he have been suspended for 100 games because he failed it twice.

joelsabi
05-07-2009, 09:45 PM
HOW'S THAT MANNY LOVE FEST GOING OUT IN LA, PEOPLE???



LA People are quite forgiving. LA is a city of second chances. It happens in real estate, entertainment, and sports. LA loves winners. Manny will be welcomed back with open arms.

skyking26
05-07-2009, 10:10 PM
HOW'S THAT MANNY LOVE FEST GOING OUT IN LA, PEOPLE???

It was just a matter of time. As several of us have previously and accurately predicted, you will be (are being) sorry for this regrettable signing.

And I hope his legacy sits shoulder-to-shoulder with Roid Rocket Roger.
Yep we told 'em. 'Ol Adam Dunn probably is lookin' good with 7 HRS right about now batting close to .300!

jobathenut
05-07-2009, 10:31 PM
I know i don't have to tell you skyking,but dunn never gets the attention and credit he derserves.Because he isnt a flashy "look at me" player that the media gives thier attention to.And he isnt the demanding spotlight player the media love to kiss thier butts while broadcasting games.Like when the yankees play the sux's and they slurp all over ortiz and that "here today, nobody tomorrow",they call a mvp(what a joke that is).Adam just plays the game,and that's the problem cause it's rarely about the game anymore,that's why when you watch a game on tv they are rarely talking about what's going on in the game.Sorry for the off topic rant.But just had to say that.Any way,dunn should be mentioned more.:)
Yep we told 'em. 'Ol Adam Dunn probably is lookin' good with 7 HRS right about now batting close to .300!

both-teams-played-hard
05-07-2009, 10:45 PM
LA People are quite forgiving. LA is a city of second chances. It happens in real estate, entertainment, and sports. LA loves winners. Manny will be welcomed back with open arms.
So true. 10% of L.A. has already forgiven Manny. The other 90% doesn't know who this Manny person is.

both-teams-played-hard
05-07-2009, 10:49 PM
Hmm, prescribed by a doctor and he lives in CA? My guess is medicinal marijuana. Maybe he's got glaucoma...

Plus, look at his dreads. ;)

Don't forget...marijuana is a gateway drug. It leads to the hard stuff like Jim Beam and Budweiser.

joelsabi
05-07-2009, 11:23 PM
interesting interview. last part of the interview goes over steroids.

http://allhiphopsports.blogspot.com/2009/03/manny-ramirez-interview-with-espn.html

island_style
05-08-2009, 06:21 AM
With Manny being infused into the LA scene, maybe he thought the hCG substance he allegedly took stood for, "horchata Con Gusto."

Kind Regards,

Ron.

Rsamiano@aol.com

trsent
05-08-2009, 07:26 AM
So, what about the other Mannys?

Manny Pacquiano
Manny Alexander
Manny Castillo
Manny Mota
Manny's Deli - http://www.mannysdeli.com/
Handy Manny - http://tv.disney.go.com/playhouse/handymanny/menu.html
Manny's TV & Appliances - http://www.mannystv.com/
Manny Fernandez - http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/players/1252
Manny Fernandez The Raging Bull - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manny_Fernandez_(wrestler)
Manny "Sharkman" Puig

I was wondering if any of them were featured in the news yesterday or today. I wonder if any of them have ever used drugs that some would not find Kosher.

suicide_squeeze
05-08-2009, 11:10 PM
I read some of these venemous posts, and it sickens me.

eisenreich8.....you told us so. Yes, you did.

Then you go on and enlarge and highlight "CANCER" as is if you were PROUD to have displayed your opinion of Manny in the first place in this manner.

Congrats to you. You're the man.

So Manny was only destined to ruin us fans in Los Angeles. Yeah, I'm sure the fans he still had in Boston are thrilled. Great job, great deduction.


skyking26......You want to brag about how the Dodgers passed up on an opportunity to sign Adam Dunn.

I was at Wednesday's game as the Dodgers beat the holy begeezuz out of the worst team in baseball.....I mean Adam's team, sorry.

He hit the ball well that game. Like a sophomore on a girls highschool softball team.

The dude strikes out more than any other major leaguer. Yes, inbetween those K's he hit's an occasional moonshot, and even wins a game or two during the long schedule for his team. Beyond that, he's a mediocre to poor left fielder, and not worth the outs he creates with his at bats. His temporary high batting average is just that.....a temporary anomally that will eventually settle back to upwards of .250 if he has a typical year.

He'll most likely get his 40 homers......but beyond that, he's a wash.

That said, Manny was exciting. He was a MONSTER at the plate.....an RBI MACHINE. It was electric with him in the line-up, and as a leader of the baseball team.

And it's all wasted....his reputation, his career, everything. If you guys want to take a bow, and spew out the "I told you so" venem, why don't you both be REAL MEN and say how wrong you were.

You were wrong because you fell into the "Manny will roll over and die once he gets his money" fan club.....and in fact, that's not at ALL what happened here.

What happened here could have, and most likely WOULD HAVE happened in Boston if they has taken the testing to the level they do today.

So congratulations for dodging the silver bullet during the Boston tenure. My opinion on the whole thing is........does it really matter if it happened now or then? It happened.......and that's as bad as it gets.

My last comment, as a 500 home run collector and baseball fan in general, is that I don't "hate" A-Rod because he's a Yankee. I disrespect him for being a cheater to the greatest game that ever was. He disrespected the game. The team is insignificant. That would be like hating the Mariners, or Texas......or his high school.......because he was (supposedly) using where ever he went. It's Alex that is to blame, and I have no respect for him, the greatest player who was 'chosen' to rid us of the Barry Bonds filth. Yeah, what a joke.

As much as I think Jose Canseco is something you can kill with Lysol spray.....he did tell the truth. And there is something to be said for being honest.

ndevlin
05-08-2009, 11:41 PM
I read some of these venemous posts, and it sickens me.

eisenreich8.....you told us so. Yes, you did.

Then you go on and enlarge and highlight "CANCER" as is if you were PROUD to have displayed your opinion of Manny in the first place in this manner.

Congrats to you. You're the man.

So Manny was only destined to ruin us fans in Los Angeles. Yeah, I'm sure the fans he still had in Boston are thrilled. Great job, great deduction.


skyking26......You want to brag about how the Dodgers passed up on an opportunity to sign Adam Dunn.

I was at Wednesday's game as the Dodgers beat the holy begeezuz out of the worst team in baseball.....I mean Adam's team, sorry.

He hit the ball well that game. Like a sophomore on a girls highschool softball team.

The dude strikes out more than any other major leaguer. Yes, inbetween those K's he hit's an occasional moonshot, and even wins a game or two during the long schedule for his team. Beyond that, he's a mediocre to poor left fielder, and not worth the outs he creates with his at bats. His temporary high batting average is just that.....a temporary anomally that will eventually settle back to upwards of .250 if he has a typical year.

He'll most likely get his 40 homers......but beyond that, he's a wash.

That said, Manny was exciting. He was a MONSTER at the plate.....an RBI MACHINE. It was electric with him in the line-up, and as a leader of the baseball team.

And it's all wasted....his reputation, his career, everything. If you guys want to take a bow, and spew out the "I told you so" venem, why don't you both be REAL MEN and say how wrong you were.

You were wrong because you fell into the "Manny will roll over and die once he gets his money" fan club.....and in fact, that's not at ALL what happened here.

What happened here could have, and most likely WOULD HAVE happened in Boston if they has taken the testing to the level they do today.

So congratulations for dodging the silver bullet during the Boston tenure. My opinion on the whole thing is........does it really matter if it happened now or then? It happened.......and that's as bad as it gets.

My last comment, as a 500 home run collector and baseball fan in general, is that I don't "hate" A-Rod because he's a Yankee. I disrespect him for being a cheater to the greatest game that ever was. He disrespected the game. The team is insignificant. That would be like hating the Mariners, or Texas......or his high school.......because he was (supposedly) using where ever he went. It's Alex that is to blame, and I have no respect for him, the greatest player who was 'chosen' to rid us of the Barry Bonds filth. Yeah, what a joke.

As much as I think Jose Canseco is something you can kill with Lysol spray.....he did tell the truth. And there is something to be said for being honest.


Auuuh....what?

Lets call more people out by name, especially to those that barely said anything.


Seriously, that Dunn comment bothered you that much?!?

gamer35
05-09-2009, 01:06 PM
HOW'S THAT MANNY LOVE FEST GOING OUT IN LA, PEOPLE???

It was just a matter of time. As several of us have previously and accurately predicted, you will be (are being) sorry for this regrettable signing.

And I hope his legacy sits shoulder-to-shoulder with Roid Rocket Roger.

Eisenreich, there is an article about you in the LA Times. You should check it out.
"The blue carpet was rolled out, the reputation makeover proceeding quite nicely, but then he goes out of his way to empower the "I told you so" mob.

It's a depressing world we live in at times, a lot of folks actually taking delight in someone's colossal blunder or human frailty, just so they can feel better about predicting it.

On a positive note they all seem confined to Boston with access to the Internet, or are columnists who regularly write on the front page of sports sections."

kingjammy24
05-12-2009, 02:28 PM
from today's LA Times:
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By Bill Shaikin
May 12, 2009

Manny Ramirez abruptly dropped an appeal of his drug suspension within hours of a scheduled hearing last week, cornered not by test results but by a prescription for a banned substance that appeared in his medical records, sources told The Times.

The substance -- human chorionic gonadotrophin (HCG) -- is classified as a performance-enhancing substance in baseball's drug policy.

Although a test result revealed elevated levels of testosterone and triggered an investigation, Ramirez ultimately accepted his suspension on the basis of a little-known clause in baseball's drug policy enabling the commissioner to levy suspensions "for just cause," the sources said.

Within the first two weeks of April, Ramirez was notified that he had tested positive for abnormally high levels of testosterone during spring training. His test showed between four and 10 times the normal range of testosterone, ESPN reported Monday night.

Further testing revealed the testosterone to be synthetic, as opposed to naturally occurring within Ramirez's body, the New York Daily News reported.

In their appeal, Ramirez and his representatives planned to argue the testosterone indicated the presence of DHEA, a steroid precursor banned under Olympic rules but not under federal law or baseball's drug policy, the San Diego Union-Tribune reported.

However, that drug policy also includes a requirement that players must turn over medical records for reasonable cause. The union provided Ramirez's records, which included a prescription from a private physician for HCG.

Ramirez had not obtained a therapeutic-use exemption from baseball, which certifies the use of banned substances for proven medical need.

That "non-analytical evidence" -- that is, evidence beyond a positive test -- was the basis for the 50-game suspension. On the eve of the hearing scheduled last Wednesday, Ramirez dropped his appeal, and the suspension was announced the following day.

Scott Boras, the agent for Ramirez, has declined to comment on matters involving the suspension, including why the appeal was dropped. Baseball's drug policy restricts the commissioner's office and players' union from comment.

However, sources said that the appeal was dropped because the evidence of the prescription without the existence of an exemption gave baseball indisputable proof of a violation of the drug policy. In addition, Ramirez could complete his suspension before the second half of the season, rather than risk waiting weeks or months for a hearing that would be unlikely to succeed and could turn up additional evidence.

Baseball officials agreed not to contest the issue further, because a 50-game suspension is the maximum punishment for a first offender and the testosterone-related case would have been more difficult to prove.

In a statement issued by the players' union, Ramirez said he took "a medication, not a steroid," prescribed by a physician unaware that the substance was banned under baseball's drug policy.

Although anti-doping experts have said HCG is commonly used to replenish testosterone after a cycle of steroids, sources close to Ramirez have suggested the HCG was prescribed to combat issues surrounding sexual performance.

Ramirez is 36. Among men ages 30-39, about 2% have significantly low levels of testosterone, said Dr. Glenn Braunstein, chairman of the Department of Medicine at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center.

Braunstein, an expert in reproductive endocrinology, said such patients generally would be treated with testosterone, not with HCG.

"There's no reason to use it in healthy male adults," he said.

In rare cases, he said, HCG could be prescribed. In the case of a healthy male in Ramirez's age group, he said, the odds of such treatment would be less than 1 in 1,000.
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manny said the doctor assured him the prescription wouldn't conflict with MLB's banned substances. doctor's advice cost him $8mm. should be interesting to see if manny sues the doctor. my guess, there'll be no such lawsuit.

rudy.

ironmanfan
05-12-2009, 02:54 PM
manny said the doctor assured him the prescription wouldn't conflict with MLB's banned substances. doctor's advice cost him $8mm. should be interesting to see if manny sues the doctor. my guess, there'll be no such lawsuit.

rudy.

Rudy:

You'll see Manny sue his doctor about the same time that McGwire & Palmeiro sue Canseco

eisenreich8
05-12-2009, 02:56 PM
suicide squeeze and gamer35,

Glad I could have such an impact on your day. I am grateful for the opportunity to have made the call against him accurately, as you both seemed to trumpet this man's arrival and fresh start in LA as a world event.

Yes, I did tell you, he has left another bloody welt on the back of baseball and you find it convenient to cast your wrath MY way?

Like so many who have accountablility problems in this day and age, you'd be better served analyzing the source of your own venom and slough off the opinions of a mere poster like me. Thanks for noticing me, though!