Vintage auctions - Drexler game-used jersey opinions?

[drexler22]

Hey guys, i'm new here and need help deciding whether this Drexler jersey is really game-used or not. After reading various threads saying Lou Sampson a one of the worse authenticators for memoribilia i'm now having doubts on whether this is fake or real?.

Can you guys help me - i've attached scans in this thread. The signature is JSA Authenticated.

Description:


Road blue pinstripe Champion Houston Rockets jersey used by Hall of Famer Clyde Drexler during the 1996-97 50th Anniversary NBA season. Clyde was named one of the league's 50 best during the season and the jersey features the gold NBA sewn logo on the upper left chest in proper position. It is appropriately double tagged on outer tail with Champion label containing size 50 and wash instructions flanked by exclusivity label with 1996-97 and body length +3 IDs and pen code residing on inner side seam. Overall the gamer exhibits light consistent game use throughout and earns a final grade of 8. Drexler has also signed the second 2 on the back of the jersey.


http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j92/jayzhou32/PC-memoribiia%20other%20players/4.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j92/jayzhou32/PC-memoribiia%20other%20players/3.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j92/jayzhou32/PC-memoribiia%20other%20players/2.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j92/jayzhou32/PC-memoribiia%20other%20players/1.jpg

Also, what a some trusted auction houses most people use here.What does it also mean by grade 8?

Thanks guys!

[otismalibu]

Would Clyde wear a size 50?

[drexler22]

Would Clyde wear a size 50?

He's the same size as Jordan - so yes!

[sportscentury]

I do not see a match for it on Getty from the 96-97 season. In fact, judging from the Getty images, it looks like Clyde wore the same blue pinstripe jersey all season, with the pinstripe running down in between the 2s on the upper right of the front crest. The jersey at Vintage has the pinstripe running through the second 2. I'll keep my general thoughts about Vintage to myself ... let's just say I have never bid and I never will (this Clyde does not make me want to change my mind). In fairness, Getty does not have images of Clyde from all games during the 96-97 season. As such, I am not saying that this jersey is bad.

By the way, BPH/Kim Stigall had what appeared to be an outsanding pair of Clyde's game worn and signed shoes on eBay recently. It may still be on eBay in either current or past auctions. I remember that the starting bid was around $245 and I don't remember seeing a bidder.

Best of luck with your collecting.

[otismalibu]

He's the same size as Jordan - so yes!

So Clyde always wore the same size as Jordan or are you saying that Clyde and MJ both wore a size 50 jersey in 96-97.

[sportscentury]

So Clyde always wore the same size as Jordan or are you saying that Clyde and MJ both wore a size 50 jersey in 96-97.

I didn't quite get that myself.

[nickacs]

Like SportsCentury said, the Getty Images from 1997 season show the blue stripe going between the '22'.

http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/1396917.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939057D9939C83F106C141A887732E95AE E30A760B0D811297 (http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/1396917.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939057D9939C83F106C141A887732E95AE E30A760B0D811297)

Also, Getty didn't have a back shot of his blue jersey, but did of his white, which I have to assume all the markings would be the same, just difference in color. The stripes on the back of the Getty white show the stripe coming down the center of the 'X' and the top left corner of the 'E', while yours looks a little shifted to the left.

http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/3130392.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=DD14248CCAD87583D48B9B7513774395591E7EC1A351FC8B

I am NOT trying to make it sound like you didn't get what you paid for, just trying to help out with some images/photomatch for you :)

Did you win this in the Vintage Auctions that just closed this past Thursday?

Best of luck on collecting!

[drexler22]

Hey guys, thanks for the input. Yes i was the winner of the Drexler jersey which i unknowingly thought was real, but after checking this site and getting feedback from members here, this is most likely a fake.

So do you guys think this is a fake?, and do they offer refund's for un happy customers?

Thanks






I am NOT trying to make it sound like you didn't get what you paid for, just trying to help out with some images/photomatch for you :)

Did you win this in the Vintage Auctions that just closed this past Thursday?

Best of luck on collecting!





By the way, BPH/Kim Stigall had what appeared to be an outsanding pair of Clyde's game worn and signed shoes on eBay recently. It may still be on eBay in either current or past auctions. I remember that the starting bid was around $245 and I don't remember seeing a bidder.

Best of luck with your collecting.

I'll check it out.Thanks

[sportscentury]

Like SportsCentury said, the Getty Images from 1997 season show the blue stripe going between the '22'.

http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/1396917.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939057D9939C83F106C141A887732E95AE E30A760B0D811297 (http://cache1.asset-cache.net/xc/1396917.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939057D9939C83F106C141A887732E95AE E30A760B0D811297)

Also, Getty didn't have a back shot of his blue jersey, but did of his white, which I have to assume all the markings would be the same, just difference in color. The stripes on the back of the Getty white show the stripe coming down the center of the 'X' and the top left corner of the 'E', while yours looks a little shifted to the left.

http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/3130392.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=DD14248CCAD87583D48B9B7513774395591E7EC1A351FC8B

I am NOT trying to make it sound like you didn't get what you paid for, just trying to help out with some images/photomatch for you :)

Did you win this in the Vintage Auctions that just closed this past Thursday?

Best of luck on collecting!

I definitely would not assume that the pinstripe pattern would be the same across any two jerseys. Though it is hard to discern, it appears the pinstripe patterns for Drexler's main home and road pinstripes from 96-97 are similar on the fronts, but not the same (see Getty images 52012975 and 1396917, for example). Typically, any two jerseys would not even be this similar in pattern. Regardless, the Vintage jersey is not one in which I would have great confidence.

[Texans]

Does this photo match the jersey? Cant tell if its 96-97 jersey with the anniversary patch. Maybe you can find out what shoes he wore that season

http://cgi.ebay.com/CLYDE-DREXLER-SIGNED-8X10-PHOTO-HOUSTON-ROCKETS-AUTO_W0QQitemZ270382465508QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_De faultDomain_0?hash=item3ef40d01e4&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1205|240%3A13 18|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50



Jojo

[Texans]

Maybe this one too

http://www.starstruck.com/Clyde-Drexler-Houston-Rockets-8x10-Autographed-Photograph_1834912645_PD.html

[Texans]

Oh I see Chris Dudley in the picture he didnt play with the Kinicks until 97-98 season

Jojo

[nickacs]

SportsCentury, thanks for your clarification on my Getty Images/statements :) Sorry, I certainly don't want to confuse or misrepresent anything! I've "been away" from jersey collecting since the mid-90s and getting back into it lately. Things are definitely different nowadays! :)

Thanks again..sorry if I misrepresented!

[drexler22]

Back on topic - so do you guys think i got the right deal or definitely fake, if so how can i request a refund.

Thanks

[Fred]

I don't know if this helps,but Drexler wore size 44 + 4 when he played for the Trailblazers.I was told that the +3 Trailblazers jerseys were pro cut.

[sportscentury]

SportsCentury, thanks for your clarification on my Getty Images/statements :) Sorry, I certainly don't want to confuse or misrepresent anything! I've "been away" from jersey collecting since the mid-90s and getting back into it lately. Things are definitely different nowadays! :)

Thanks again..sorry if I misrepresented!

Nickacs, no worries. Thanks for your posts.

[sportscentury]

Back on topic - so do you guys think i got the right deal or definitely fake, if so how can i request a refund.

Thanks

Drexler, I think I made my opinion on the topic clear. I would not add the jersey to my collection if it were free. Also, since you are new here, I should let you know that a lot of threads go way more off-topic than this one did. It's just part of the GUU free-association culture. My recommendation is to leave it be (not that threads don't need to be redirected at times), as a lot of unexpected, important information has come to light via this style. For example, I would imagine Fred's information about Drexler's sizing during his Blazers' days would be of good use to you as a Drexler collector.

[Texans]

Did you try looking at Drexler trading cards? there are Drexler jersey that showed have a strip that is not in between the 22 so it is possible it could still be good


Jojo

[sportscentury]

Did you try looking at Drexler trading cards? there are Drexler jersey that showed have a strip that is not in between the 22 so it is possible it could still be good


Jojo

No, we can't definitively rule it out. Given the questions about the sizing (and apparent lack of evidence suggesting game use), I would lean toward "not good," but Jojo is right that it's possible that it is good. And I agree with him that since you've already purchased it, you may as well keep searching.

Drexler, I found the auction I had mentioned to you earlier. You can easily style-match these on Getty (I know, because I considered buying them myself), and MeiGray may be able to photomatch them for you:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360160795597&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fse arch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm37%26satitle%3D 360160795597%26fvi%3D1&viewitem=&salenotsupported

[Texans]

Im just wondering was it easy to get 96-97 Jersey? I always like the gold NBA logo. I know there were a lot of procut and game issued from previous Champion jersey sold as game used.


Jojo

[drexler22]

Did you try looking at Drexler trading cards? there are Drexler jersey that showed have a strip that is not in between the 22 so it is possible it could still be good


Jojo


Yes i did, out of the 20 different images of Drexler jerseys i've seen picturing him in the jersey the only one i found was this card which does not feature the strip in between - so it's 1 out of 20.
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j92/jayzhou32/clyde%20drexler%20pc/drexler.jpg
This offers a better view of the one most members a saying is real(doesn't feature the gold logo):
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j92/jayzhou32/clyde%20drexler%20pc/clydedrexlermetal.jpg

[drexler22]

No, we can't definitively rule it out. Given the questions about the sizing (and apparent lack of evidence suggesting game use), I would lean toward "not good," but Jojo is right that it's possible that it is good. And I agree with him that since you've already purchased it, you may as well keep searching.

Drexler, I found the auction I had mentioned to you earlier. You can easily style-match these on Getty (I know, because I considered buying them myself), and MeiGray may be able to photomatch them for you:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360160795597&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fse arch.dll%3Ffrom%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm37%26satitle%3D 360160795597%26fvi%3D1&viewitem=&salenotsupported


Thanks for the feedback and advice about posting here.

I checked out the auction link but considering it doesn't have the relevant COA from known brands, i'm gonna to aviod getting scammed again. Just too risky, unless you have some guarantee it's real.

Btw what do you mean by MeiGray photomatching?

Cheers.

[sportscentury]

Thanks for the feedback and advice about posting here.

I checked out the auction link but considering it doesn't have the relevant COA from known brands, i'm gonna to aviod getting scammed again. Just too risky, unless you have some guarantee it's real.

Btw what do you mean by MeiGray photomatching?

Cheers.

You can style-match the shoes easily on GettyImages.com. Also, BPH is about the last dealer who is out to scam anyone. Search GUU and see all of the positive threads about them. It's unfortunate ... you're trusting Vintage and not BPH. This is exactly the opposite approach I would take. I have no financial interest in the shoes, and I'm certainly not about to guarantee another seller's item, but you can bet BPH will stand behind the shoes. If you want a photo-match, submit them to MeiGray.com (Barry Meisel). Do a search on GUU and you can see the various threads about the photomatching service offered by MeiGray, as well as general threads about what photomatching is.

As for basketball cards, you can't be 100% sure what years those photos are from as the card companies are not as systematic in their production as card collectors would like to believe. Endless mistakes and short cuts are made, whether we're talking Topps, Upper Deck, etc.

[Texans]

For cards it be easy to match this particular jersey because of where the stripes is and also the NBA golden logo. Also I think the shorts had the gold logo too in case you cant see the one on the jersey. Is a shame that most jersey of 90 are hard to tell if they are real or not.


Jojo

[drexler22]

You can style-match the shoes easily on GettyImages.com. Also, BPH is about the last dealer who is out to scam anyone. Search GUU and see all of the positive threads about them. It's unfortunate ... you're trusting Vintage and not BPH. This is exactly the opposite approach I would take. I have no financial interest in the shoes, and I'm certainly not about to guarantee another seller's item, but you can bet BPH will stand behind the shoes. If you want a photo-match, submit them to MeiGray.com (Barry Meisel). Do a search on GUU and you can see the various threads about the photomatching service offered by MeiGray, as well as general threads about what photomatching is.

As for basketball cards, you can't be 100% sure what years those photos are from as the card companies are not as systematic in their production as card collectors would like to believe. Endless mistakes and short cuts are made, whether we're talking Topps, Upper Deck, etc.


No problems man - but i've spent all my stash this month so next purchase i'll look into purchasing this one. Thanks for the informative post.

[drexler22]

I just got the jersey in today and i've scanned more images so you guys can perhaps help out. The jersey really stinks like sweat once i took it out of the bag - but anyone could of worn it and played b-ball using it.

One thing that i found strange(scanned below) was that there was a another tag attached on the inner side of the jersey, which stated inside:
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j92/jayzhou32/DSC00081.jpg
Back of that:
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j92/jayzhou32/DSC00082.jpg

Along with that inside there was this pen code tag(as the description states) residing on inner side seem:
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j92/jayzhou32/DSC00085.jpg

So yeah not really sure - if anyone here has knowledge about these jerseys or has got one themselves please help out.

Here's a scan of the logo and tag:
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j92/jayzhou32/DSC00083.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j92/jayzhou32/DSC00084.jpg

[nickacs]

That's really weird that someone would put a tag in the jersey saying 'No Good' and 'Game Issued Not Worn'. I've never seen that before.

Yet the Vintage auction ad/LOA "proclaims" the jersey as "game worn"? Hmm... I'd contact them and send them to pics to see what is up. Just my 2cents. I'd hate to see anyone get ripped off, potentially.

[both-teams-played-hard]

That's really weird that someone would put a tag in the jersey saying 'No Good' and 'Game Issued Not Worn'. I've never seen that before.


Yes. This is very rare. "Honesty is such a lonely word." Maybe never seen by the auction house.

[sportscentury]

You need to return the jersey and get your money back (including your shipping costs both ways). This is beyond horrendous. If you paid by credit card, call your CC immediately. Now you will have money for the REAL Drexler item offered by BPH. Get rid of this bad jersey and drop your interest in those crappy shorts. Just my 2 cents. Let us know what happens... and good luck. Do your research, stick with GUU, and be patient... and you'll end up with a nice Glide collection in the end.

[Eric]

You need to return the jersey and get your money back (including your shipping costs both ways). This is beyond horrendous. If you paid by credit card, call your CC immediately. Now you will have money for the REAL Drexler item offered by BPH. Get rid of this bad jersey and drop your interest in those crappy shorts. Just my 2 cents. Let us know what happens... and good luck. Do your research, stick with GUU, and be patient... and you'll end up with a nice Glide collection in the end.

Can you please also take clearer photos of this piece in case the jersey ends up somewhere else at "game used"

[drexler22]

lol and here's there response from customer service:
I agree with you this isn’t right. Sounds like an item that was supposed to be pulled that somehow made it into the auction. Please return the item and we’ll give you a prompt full refund.

[sportscentury]

lol and here's there response from customer service:
I agree with you this isn’t right. Sounds like an item that was supposed to be pulled that somehow made it into the auction. Please return the item and we’ll give you a prompt full refund.

I'll bet Vintage had read this thread before you called. Some auction houses like to pretend that they could not care less about GUU or the posts about their items ... but you'd have to be a complete idiot to believe it. They follow these boards like hawks.

[drexler22]

I'll bet Vintage had read this thread before you called. Some auction houses like to pretend that they could not care less about GUU or the posts about their items ... but you'd have to be a complete idiot to believe it. They follow these boards like hawks.

lol didn't know that man, i guess we have to do thing via PM than:)

So do you think i should file a paypal dispute - the guy want's me to return item and then he'll give me a refund.

[cordovacollector]

I think I'd go through the PayPal channels for the refund. I wouldn't return first, then get refund from them. They burned you once already. I'd trust PayPal more than the seller. Just my opinion.

[Texans]

Yeah just file through Paypal first and send the item back with signature confirmation


Jojo