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[Marichal27]

Ebay has a 1977 Red Sox Bernie Carbo g/u jersey up for auction. Size 38. Please let me know what is wrong with this jersey. Item # 220432776967. I would love to hear the opinions on this jersey.

[suave1477]

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Well I dont think you need a Red Sox expert on this one.

I would go with the Size as a red flag to me!!

Size 38 i highly doubt he wore, I could be wrong but seem awfully small for someone of his size.


I am 6'2 225 I personally like to wear a size 52 because i like it a little baggy, which a normal size to fit me would be roughtly 48 / 50
I highly doubt for someone of his size is a 38 (10 - 12 sizes smaller then me)
He is 6'0 175 lbs

[Marichal27]

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Bingo, you hit on the head. During that time he wore a size 44.

[beantown]

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But it has the "Blue Bordered" McAuliffe tag...

[Marichal27]

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So.

[lon lewis]

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Marichal 27 is correct, as the size for Carbo was 44 from 1974-8.

If you're only using the tagging on the McAuliffe jerseys, ( blue bordered or otherwise ) to base the your concept of authenticity, that's usually when the trap door opens and you fall through just as this seller (and anyone else who thinks that this is a legitimate Carbo jersey) has.

Here's 3 possible explanations for this jersey

Minor league
"aftermarket" or "retail" as is termed by some on this forum.
number changed - 2 players were ordered size 38's in 1977. One didn't make the team.

[sox83cubs84]

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Lon:

The minor league expalanation makes good sense. Then, and even today, many minor league teams that ordered their own uniforms use the lowest numbers (1,2,3, etc.) to assign jerseys to the smallest players, with the higher numbers going to the big guys on the team (notwithstanding number changes). Size 38 was a player size seen on many diminutive players in that era...Pawtucket Red Sox, perhaps?

Dave M.
Chicago area

[suave1477]

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I emailed the seller about this Jersey.

This was his response

"Lelands and other reputable dealers have told us that a size 38-40 is okay for Carbo (he was 5'11" and weighed 173 pounds). Also the lower armpit to armpit seam measurement comes to 40 inches all the way around which means it actually measures out to a size 40."

[lon lewis]

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Suave, I guess the people at Stall & Dean/McAuliffe ( not to mention the Red Sox equipment people) should have checked with Lelands and the "reputable dealers" before making Carbo's jerseys from '74-8. Obviously they have a better understanding of how to measure a player than the folks that actually did it for a living.

Even if the jersey measures out to a 40 it's still 2 SIZES TOO SMALL for what was ordered for him.

[cohibasmoker]

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Marichal 27 is correct, as the size for Carbo was 44 from 1974-8.

If you're only using the tagging on the McAuliffe jerseys, ( blue bordered or otherwise ) to base the your concept of authenticity, that's usually when the trap door opens and you fall through just as this seller (and anyone else who thinks that this is a legitimate Carbo jersey) has.

Here's 3 possible explanations for this jersey

Minor league
"aftermarket" or "retail" as is termed by some on this forum.
number changed - 2 players were ordered size 38's in 1977. One didn't make the team.

There could be a 4th explanation - maybe the tags were switched? Just an opinion.

[lon lewis]

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Cohiba, Hopefully, you're not really saying that the jersey is good but the tag is wrong. If that is your position, how do you explain the size differential? ( 44 ordered 1974-78 vs a "measured 40") The auction for that particular jersey has ended with the bidding reaching $ 395.00 but the reserve was not met.

[beantown]

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Did the Red Sox minor league jerseys all resemble this style during this era? If so, you can obvioulsly rule out the Carbo jersey being a minor league one...

[cohibasmoker]

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Cohiba, Hopefully, you're not really saying that the jersey is good but the tag is wrong. If that is your position, how do you explain the size differential? ( 44 ordered 1974-78 vs a "measured 40") The auction for that particular jersey has ended with the bidding reaching $ 395.00 but the reserve was not met.

Lon - My point is, who's to say that they tags are original to the jersey? Maybe they were taken off another jersey or maybe they are original? Without ACTUALLY having the jersey and examining the jersey, who's to say what is original, what may be switched, or one of the reasons that you have already eluded to. Just another opinion - that's all.

Jim