Ripken game used 95 Road Jersey

[mr.miracle]

Okay Orioles & Ripken experts, I would appreciate any feedback on this 1995 Cal Ripken Jr. Gray Road Jersey from the year Cal broke Gerhigs streak. Any feedback on whether this is the real deal would be a great help.

Thanks
Brett :D

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From the record-breaking season in which Ripken broke Lou Gehrig’s prestigious consecutive game streak, presented here is a game worn Cal Ripken Jr. gray knit road jersey from the 1995 season. Jersey wears the appropriate Russell Athletic tag, size “48”, with 2” extra length designation. The “95” year tag is appropriately sewn on underneath the primary tag. Capping off this jersey and defining its prominent year of usage, Ripken has signed across the front in silver metallic marker, “Cal Ripken Jr. – Iron Man – 5.30.82 – 9.6.95 – '2131'.” In excellent condition. An official Steiner certification hologram is affixed in the proximity of the signature. LOAs from Grey Flannel and Global Authentication. (http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/)http://www.urauctions.com/site/images_items/thumbs/thumb_Item_5011_1.jpg (http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/)http://www.urauctions.com/site/images_items/thumbs/thumb_Item_5011_2.jpg (http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/)http://www.urauctions.com/site/images_items/thumbs/thumb_Item_5011_3.jpg (http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/)[URL="http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/"]http://www.urauctions.com/site/images_items/thumbs/thumb_Item_5011_4.jpg (http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/)


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[suave1477]

I am not a ripken expert but i would say it looks pretty good and it comes with 3 LOAS.

I mean 3 LOAS is pretty good.

Now I realize the Steiner LOA is most likely for the autograph, I am assuming the other 2 are for the actual jersey. I would say it is highly likely real!!!

[hblakewolf]

Great jersey-this is the first time I have seen a "Ripken Gamer" with the front 8 upside down! Would love to know who wrote a LOA on this "unique and rare" version of a Rip gamer.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[mr.miracle]

So Howard are you saying this is not the real deal? I am assuming if the front 8 is upside down that this could not be real then?

THanks
Brett

[suave1477]

Hello Howard I am curious myself is there that much of a difference between the number is being upside down or not what i mean is "8" its 2 circles put togather how can you tell which is the right side.
Thats my first question.

Second..... Just becuz the 8 is upside down means its a total fake????? I mean something like that can be an easy manufacturers mistake.

If the 8 is up side down it doesnt exactly set off red flags of being a fake it might make me question it a little but not exactly a fake!!!

[hblakewolf]

Brett-
There is always a chance Rip wore it, however, I can't locate a single photo from 1995 of him playing with such a shirt-can you? If you are comfortable with a Rip jersey that has an upside down 8, by all means go for it!

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[hblakewolf]

Here is a photo of Rip in 1995-notice how the large portion of the 8 is on the bottom, as it should be. Compare it to the jersey in question..........


Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net
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[mr.miracle]

I too will do some additional photo searches. I must admit it was/is hard for me to see the difference in the 8 as Mr. Suave says. I trust your judgement on that element however. I will see if I can come up with any photos of it. I am beginning to believe that the authenticators out there simply sign off on anything. Again, not saying it is fake but if the 8 is upside down, you would think three companies authenticating would have had somebody notice this error.

Thanks
Brett

[bigtime59]

Man, is THIS jersey back AGAIN?!? OK, repeat after me: it doesn't matter that the front 8 is upside down, this is a script that was only used by the Orioles late in 1996. You can find evidence of Roberto Alomar wearing it on the road in the playoffs that year, and of a couple of other players wearing it at home, but it was NOT worn in 1995, and was not worn on the black jerseys (not at issue, here, but it's come up before.) It could have 60 LOAs, and it still would not be what it purports to be.

[mr.miracle]

So what you are sayin is that somebody purposely mistagged this jersey to pass it off as a game used 95. Since it is tagged 95 from what you are saying this is a fake. Where and how many times has this jersey shown up before? UR auctions sold a similar Black alternate Orioles Ripken game worn same exact type of autograph and everything back in December 2005 I believe. I think it was supposedly same year, same exact auto etc. SO you are saying this jersey is not just mistagged, it is a complete and utter fraud? What the LOA thing says to me is that somebody is just signing off on these things without doing any type of real homework.

Thanks
Brett

[bigtime59]

So what you are sayin is that somebody purposely mistagged this jersey to pass it off as a game used 95. Since it is tagged 95 from what you are saying this is a fake. Where and how many times has this jersey shown up before? UR auctions sold a similar Black alternate Orioles Ripken game worn same exact type of autograph and everything back in December 2005 I believe. I think it was supposedly same year, same exact auto etc. SO you are saying this jersey is not just mistagged, it is a complete and utter fraud? What the LOA thing says to me is that somebody is just signing off on these things without doing any type of real homework.

Thanks
Brett

Brett:
Yes, my belief is that somebody either pulled the year tag off a 95 game issue jersey, or made up one of their own, to create a bogus Ripken jersey. Orioles year-tagged game issue jerseys used to be fairly easy to get at their annual Fanfest.
A couple of other issues that I didn't bring up in the last post:
The jersey shows evidence of washing (note the wrinkling of the "Orioles" script, and of the piping down the front). Why doesn't the tag?
The nameplate on the back of this jersey does not match those found on any of the 1995-1996 Orioles jerseys in my collection. It's not arched enough, and the ends are cut off straight, rather than on an angle. It also appears to be too short.
As to the LOAs, they're not here for us to read. If the LOAs are for the autograph, well, fine. The autograph looks OK to me (which means about nothing, as I'm not an autograph authenticator, but it does look like ones I've seen before). If the LOAs are for the jersey, then, in my opinion, based on photographic evidence, and items from my collection, then they are incorrect.
Mark

[mr.miracle]

Thanks Howard and Mark for your excellent observations. With the prevalence of scrub jerseys obtainable through Fan Fest as you mentioned, there is every reason for a dirty dog to go out pick up some cheap scrub jersey's and alter a Ripken or make a Ripken and sell up for upwards of 3k. Obviously this kind of thing goes on all the time. I appreciate your great feedback on this item.

Thanks
Brett:D

[mr.miracle]

I knew I could find that jersey. Here is another Ripken same auction company ended in Dec 05. Does this one look any different or do you think somebody is forging these things and consigning them over to American for auction?


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From the record-breaking season in which Ripken broke Lou Gehrig’s prestigious consecutive game streak, presented here is a game worn Cal Ripken Jr. black knit jersey from the 1995 season. Jersey wears the appropriate Russell Athletic tag, size “48”, with 2” extra length designation. The “1995” year tag is appropriately sewn on underneath the primary tag. Capping off this jersey and defining its prominent year of usage, Ripken has signed across the front in silver metallic marker, “Cal Ripken Jr. – Iron Man – 5.30.82 – 9.6.95 – “2131.” Some light game usage present, otherwise in excellent condition. An official Steiner certification hologram is affixed in the proximity of the signature. LOAs from Global Authentication and Lou Lampson. http://www.urauctions.com/site/images_items/thumbs/thumb_Item_3448_1.jpg (javascript: updateBigImage('Item_3448_1.jpg');)http://www.urauctions.com/site/images_items/thumbs/thumb_Item_3448_2.jpg (javascript: updateBigImage('Item_3448_2.jpg');)http://www.urauctions.com/site/images_items/thumbs/thumb_Item_3448_3.jpg (javascript: updateBigImage('Item_3448_3.jpg');) Click on a thumbnail image above to display a larger image below.

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[hblakewolf]

Forum Readers-
One major issue is the Russell tag. This particular tag was first used in 1996. As such, I have no idea how this could be sewn into a 1995 jersey, Note the washing instructions. 1995 jerseys should have 4 lines of text, not 5 as this has. 5 lines was used on Russell tagging from 1996-1999.

FYI
Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[ripkengamers]

Looks like this "questionable" jersey is already up to $3,800.00 !! Can't wait to sell my St. Patty's Jersey :D

[hblakewolf]

Dan-
You can't even be joking!

Here it is, a year after an entire thread was dedicated to your bogus green Ripken St. Patrick's jersey and you have never taken any type of legal action against Lou Lampson and/or the auction house? You based your purchase of this jersey on his LOA, correct? It was discovered that not only did the O's never wear the style jersey you have, but that the Lampson LOA is completely worthless, too!

A collector took Grey Flannel to court when he discovered he had a bogus Turn Back the clock Ripken, and won. Why would you allow this to continue, and never take any type of action to obtain a refund? :confused:

Laugh all you want, however, you're the one out the $4,000.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[trsent]

Okay Orioles & Ripken experts, I would appreciate any feedback on this 1995 Cal Ripken Jr. Gray Road Jersey from the year Cal broke Gerhigs streak. Any feedback on whether this is the real deal would be a great help.

Thanks
Brett :D

DESCRIPTION:

From the record-breaking season in which Ripken broke Lou Gehrig’s prestigious consecutive game streak, presented here is a game worn Cal Ripken Jr. gray knit road jersey from the 1995 season. Jersey wears the appropriate Russell Athletic tag, size “48”, with 2” extra length designation. The “95” year tag is appropriately sewn on underneath the primary tag. Capping off this jersey and defining its prominent year of usage, Ripken has signed across the front in silver metallic marker, “Cal Ripken Jr. – Iron Man – 5.30.82 – 9.6.95 – '2131'.” In excellent condition. An official Steiner certification hologram is affixed in the proximity of the signature. LOAs from Grey Flannel and Global Authentication. http://www.urauctions.com/site/images_items/thumbs/thumb_Item_5011_1.jpg (http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/)http://www.urauctions.com/site/images_items/thumbs/thumb_Item_5011_2.jpg (http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/)

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I know we are talking about different years here, but I have a game photo from 2001 with the "8" on front sewn on the same exact way. Did the Orioles always sew them on the same was or did they change from one year to the next?

Getty #51985103 From October 2001

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[CollectGU]

Joel,

You'll have to ask Howard as he was the one to state that the "8" was incorrect....Nice job on the photo.

[bigtime59]

Let me say this again...it doesn't matter if the "8" on the front side of the jersey is "upside down" "rightside up" or sideways. That script pattern was only worn late in the 1996 season, and not by every Orioles player. And, yes, they did send players onto the field wearing two different script patterns in late 1996 and 1998. Don't ask me why, because I don't understand it either. If you have a jersey with a 1995 year tag, and that script pattern, you have a problem. A big, expensive problem.
:mad:
Mark Sutton
bigtime39@aol.com

[thomecollector]

Forum Readers-
One major issue is the Russell tag. This particular tag was first used in 1996. As such, I have no idea how this could be sewn into a 1995 jersey, Note the washing instructions. 1995 jerseys should have 4 lines of text, not 5 as this has. 5 lines was used on Russell tagging from 1996-1999.

FYI
Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net Howard, I know exactly what you are saying about the tag. I will post the tag(s) from my '95 Thome World Series jersey. Thanks,Roger