Grey Flannel Auction Lot #51-jordan Unc Shorts

[hblakewolf]

Current offering, lot #51 in the recent Grey Flannel auction:

http://www.greyflannelauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=21321&searchby=0&searchvalue=None&page=0&sortby=0&displayby=2&lotsperpage=25&category=51

Michael Jordan wore a pair of UNC practice shorts underneath his uniform for the Bulls and Wizards as a way of holding on to his connection to UNC. In the back waistband of each pair of shorts is the “Champion” manufacturer’s size XL tag. On the front left leg of each pair of shorts is the “UNC XL” logo in white screen print. The shorts show wear and appear to have no alterations of any kind.






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Based on the photos and description, how can these be attributed specifically to being worn by Jordan, as opposed to being a generic pair of UNC worn shorts?

Any insight is appreciated.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@comcast.net

[cards-bats]

Re: Grey Flannel Auction Lot #51-jordan Unc Shorts

Unfortunately they are the self-proclaimed "Standard of the Industry."

[LEGEND33]

Re: Grey Flannel Auction Lot #51-jordan Unc Shorts

GREY FLANNEL Instruction for use: PLS READ CAREFULLY !
They didn't say Jordan wore this shorts, only they comes from the M. Jordan university of North Carolina.......

[hblakewolf]

Re: Grey Flannel Auction Lot #51-jordan Unc Shorts

GREY FLANNEL Instruction for use: PLS READ CAREFULLY !
They didn't say Jordan wore this shorts, only they comes from the M. Jordan university of North Carolina.......

Please note the lot description:

Lot #51: Two Pair of Michael Jordan University of North Carolina Practice Worn Shorts (2)

With an opening bid of $250. combined with the description, in my opinion the bidder is led to believe these are worn by Jordan.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@comcast.net

[LEGEND33]

Re: Grey Flannel Auction Lot #51-jordan Unc Shorts

I sent a e-mail to Grey Flannel and they replay to me with this msg:

"
Hello Alberto. The shorts were indeed worn by MJ while at the University of North Carolina. I hope this helps.

Thank You,

T.J. Favilla
Auction Director - Grey Flannel Auctions
8 Moniebogue Lane
Westhampton Beach, NY 11978
631-288-7800 x221
TJ@GreyFlannelAuctions.com
www.GreyFlannelAuctions.com
"

[hblakewolf]

Re: Grey Flannel Auction Lot #51-jordan Unc Shorts

I sent a e-mail to Grey Flannel and they replay to me with this msg:

"
Hello Alberto. The shorts were indeed worn by MJ while at the University of North Carolina. I hope this helps.

Thank You,

T.J. Favilla
Auction Director - Grey Flannel Auctions
8 Moniebogue Lane
Westhampton Beach, NY 11978
631-288-7800 x221
TJ@GreyFlannelAuctions.com
www.GreyFlannelAuctions.com
"

Alberto-

I'm confused. Grey Flannel is offering 2 pairs of generic, well worn UNC shorts, void of any type of identification either screened on the exterior of these (i.e., 23 screened on a leg, etc.) or written on the waistband as "game worn by MJ"????? " The lot description makes no mention of any type of LOA from Jordan, the University or similar person(s).

Can you follow-up with Ms. Flavia and ask her how they are attributing these to Jordan, besides simply including their LOA to the winner?

Looking forward to a replay!

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@comcast.net

[LEGEND33]

Re: Grey Flannel Auction Lot #51-jordan Unc Shorts

Howard, msg sent...and quickly response arrived :

""

Hey Alberto. They are actually accompanied by a LOA which was given to our consignor with the shorts which states "Please be advised that the 2 pair of UNC practice shorts given to you as a gift from the Jordan family were worn by my brother Michael during his playing days at UNC...Your Friend Larry Jordan."

Impeccable Provenance. I hope this helps, be well.
Thank You,

T.J. Favilla
Auction Director - Grey Flannel Auctions
8 Moniebogue Lane
Westhampton Beach, NY 11978
631-288-7800 x221
TJ@GreyFlannelAuctions.com
www.GreyFlannelAuctions.com

""

[suicide_squeeze]

Re: Grey Flannel Auction Lot #51-jordan Unc Shorts

I'm not confused at all.

Can't you tell from their detailed explanation what the truth is, Howard?

To me, it's crystal clear. It's all about an "opinion". The truth......well, that will have to be left for the winning bidder to search out, but as long as he's/she's comfortable with these fine used shorts, powerized to pull the trigger with the fine explanation set forth......who cares, right?

To me, these kinds of responses to legitimate questions brought about by collectors fall just a tad short of the mark......so to speak. Frankly, I'm so bored with the same-old same-old from this company, that I would like to state my public thanks for their freezing my bidding privilages.

Of course, I'm missing out on all of the beautiful pieces of amazing memorabilia I could be bidding on ......but in the infamous words of Annette Bening in the entertaining movie "The American President".....

"I'll just have to live with the disappointment".


(all comments stated above are an opinion, and is in no way meant to defame or libel any involved party.)

[suicide_squeeze]

Re: Grey Flannel Auction Lot #51-jordan Unc Shorts

Howard, msg sent...and quickly response arrived :

""

Hey Alberto. They are actually accompanied by a LOA which was given to our consignor with the shorts which states "Please be advised that the 2 pair of UNC practice shorts given to you as a gift from the Jordan family were worn by my brother Michael during his playing days at UNC...Your Friend Larry Jordan."

Impeccable Provenance. I hope this helps, be well.
Thank You,

T.J. Favilla
Auction Director - Grey Flannel Auctions
8 Moniebogue Lane
Westhampton Beach, NY 11978
631-288-7800 x221
TJ@GreyFlannelAuctions.com
www.GreyFlannelAuctions.com

""

So......Why wouldn't this info have been happily given out on the first request? Because if that's true, that would boost the possibility of getting some serious change for these shorts from a true M.J. fan??

Is this letter from "Larry Jordan" signed by him? Or is this just a printed letter that could have come from anyone? Just curious....

You know, this is a seriously good example of how handling your customer relations can define your company and it's success. A little more enthusiasm up front when a serious question is received from a potential bidder can work wonders to build a better relationship with your clients.

I mean, am I missing something here?????

[5kRunner]

Re: Grey Flannel Auction Lot #51-jordan Unc Shorts

Anyone else think a 40-42 would have fallen off a college Jordan?

Even with an elastic waistband.

[suicide_squeeze]

Re: Grey Flannel Auction Lot #51-jordan Unc Shorts

Anyone else think a 40-42 would have fallen off a college Jordan?

Even with an elastic waistband.

Ya THINK?

I would have to see the letter from "Larry Jordan", his brother, before I would even consider bidding on them......but I have no interest whatsoever in the shorts, so it wasn't even worth me asking the question.

But yes, I would hazzard a guess that Michael Jordan's waste size was approx. a 32" in college (if that), so why such large shorts? But what do I know?

Kinda makes you wonder what size shorts "Larry Jordan" wore in college, huh? But in all fairness, that's not Grey Flannel's problem. They are just passing along what their consigner is giving them.

[GarkoCollector]

Re: Grey Flannel Auction Lot #51-jordan Unc Shorts

Jordan didnt wear UNC shorts under his UNC jersey, he wore them under his Bulls/Wizards uniform. Contradicts what was said from the report.

[nickacs]

Re: Grey Flannel Auction Lot #51-jordan Unc Shorts

FYI, noticed today that GF updated their description of this Lot:

"Please note that this description has been amended and differs from our printed catalog. The one in the book is incorrect.
These two pairs of UNC shorts were worn by Michael himself during many basketball practice sessions throughout his college career. In the back waistband of each pair of shorts is the “Champion” manufacturer’s size XL tag. On the front left leg of each pair of shorts is the “UNC XL” logo in white screen print. The shorts show wear and appear to have no alterations of any kind. They come with a copy of a letter detailing their lineage."

Not that the updated description brings any closure to the original questions posted here. But thought someone might like to know it changed today