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  • Eric
    Senior Member
    • Jan 1970
    • 2848

    Conflict of Interest- Auction Houses and Authenticators

    Hello everyone

    I came across a blog written by New York daily news investigative sportswriter Michael O'Keeffe regarding authenticators writing letters on items they consign. This is a serious problem within the hobby and I applaud Dave Grob's stance.

    In my opinion there is no room in this hobby for these blatant conflicts of interest.

    Read below

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    Category: Memorabilia

    May 03, 2006

    Memorabilia Market Needs Spring Cleaning
    One of the biggest problems sports memorabilia collectors face is the often-cozy relationship between authentication services and auction houses. Most game-used items offered by auction houses are now accompanied by certificates from services attesting to their authenticity. But conflicts of interest come up too frequently when those so-called independent experts write certificates to pump up the very items they’ve consigned to auctions.

    Dave Grob of Memorabilia Evaluation and Research Services, one of the hobby’s leading authentication services, says it’s time to bring in federal regulators.

    “This industry has no standards or regulations,” says Grob, MEARS’ policy director. “There is no professional association of auction houses, dealers or authenticators to set professional or business ethics. I think the hobby is sorely missing that.”

    Grob has published a call to arms on the MEARS Web site requesting collectors petition Congress to pass a law that would require authentication services and auction houses to let potential buyers know when they have a financial interest in an auction item.

    MEARS started to notify consumers about its financial interest in auction offerings after its authenticator Dave Bushing was widely rapped for writing a certificate that claimed a bat found in former Yankee Tommy Henrich’s home was used by Joe DiMaggio during his famous 56-game hitting streak. Many collectors were outraged to learn that Bushing was also the consigner of the bat, which was purchased for $345,000 by Louisville Slugger manufacturer Hillerich & Bradsby.

    Grob says he doesn’t believe the memorabilia business is corrupt and he’s not accusing anybody of illegal activity. But he does say his industry should throw open the windows and let in some fresh air. “It’s in the best interest of everybody if we are as transparent as possible,” Grob says. “If we don’t, we can lose our customer base.”

    Always looking for game used San Diego Chargers items...
  • silverschmidts
    Member
    • Feb 2006
    • 44

    #2
    Re: Conflict of Interest- Auction Houses and Authenticators

    I think this is a great post and a great issue. But it goes way beyond the mere issue of conflict of interest. The overall issue is simply one of quality and credibility. Just look at the number of posts on this Forum from informed collectors every time a major auction house begins a new auction. Am I the only one who is astonished at how many bad items are obviously being offered by these so-called "high end" auction houses? An association along the lines suggested by Mr. Grob might instill some accountability in the industry and speed up the process of rooting out the operations that routinely offer bad goods and spotty customer service. To me, that would be the best thing that could happen to the hobby. --Steve

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    • Eric
      Senior Member
      • Jan 1970
      • 2848

      #3
      Re: Conflict of Interest- Auction Houses and Authenticators

      Point of clarification and a question

      In the Daily News piece above, the Joe Dimaggio bat is mentioned- If my facts are correct, that was before the company was called MEARS- it was still SCDA.
      When it became MEARS, Dave Grob instituted language where if an item with a MEARS letter was written by an authenticator with a financial interest in it, it would be so marked on the LOA AND it would be listed on the MEARS website.

      When the Dimaggio bat mentioned was at auction, these rules hadn't yet been written.

      My question is for Mike Specht who works with Global Authentication.

      Mike, is there any language or rules about Global Authenticators writing letters on items they have or ever had financial interest in?

      Thanks
      Eric
      Always looking for game used San Diego Chargers items...

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      • MSpecht
        Moderator
        • Oct 2005
        • 1431

        #4
        Re: Conflict of Interest- Auction Houses and Authenticators

        Hi Eric--

        In the area of authentication services I provide through the Global Authentications brand name, the proper person to speak to the policies of the company is the President of Global, Stephen Rocchi. As a personal standard, I have never authenticated any of my personal memorabilia myself under the Global brand name, and would not do so in the future.

        Relative to authentications of game used baseball bats that I perform outside of Global, I do not authenticate any bats that I personally own beyond the fact that I will provide detailed information based on H & B factory records if applicable, and let the records speak for themselves. The records are what they are. I am in a position to share a large amount of information that is in the possession of a very few number of people, and I have done that openly in the past when I deal directly with a buyer, much as I do in response to questions on the Game Used Universe forums.

        Thanks for the question.

        Mike Jackitout7@aol.com

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        • EndzoneSports
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2005
          • 206

          #5
          Re: Conflict of Interest- Auction Houses and Authenticators

          Eric:

          At the moment, my memory is a bit fuzzy on the specifics, but a few months back another thread covered (in fairly extensive detail) the specifics of a few transactions regarding mid-80s Elway jerseys. One can search for and refer to that thread for the details.

          If I remember correctly, one of these jerseys was a piece authenticated by Bernie Gurnay on behalf of Global Authenticators and consigned by Bernie who owned the jersey (in whole or part) to Historic Auctions' inaugural auction in Dec '05. The jersey sold for $4,600 (including 15% buyer's premium) to a Denver-area collector who occasionally frequents this forum.

          From this, I would gather that Global had no such 'conflict of interest' policy in place, at least at that time.

          Regards,
          Patrick W. Scoggin
          Endzone Sports Charities
          www.EndzoneSportsCharities.org

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          • Eric
            Senior Member
            • Jan 1970
            • 2848

            #6
            Re: Conflict of Interest- Auction Houses and Authenticators

            I believe this is the thread you're talking about

            Always looking for game used San Diego Chargers items...

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            • EndzoneSports
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2005
              • 206

              #7
              Re: Conflict of Interest- Auction Houses and Authenticators

              That's the one. Thanks Eric!
              Patrick W. Scoggin
              Endzone Sports Charities
              www.EndzoneSportsCharities.org

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              • ChrisCavalier
                Paid Users
                • Jan 1970
                • 1967

                #8
                Re: Conflict of Interest- Auction Houses and Authenticators

                Originally posted by MSpecht
                In the area of authentication services I provide through the Global Authentications brand name, the proper person to speak to the policies of the company is the President of Global, Stephen Rocchi. As a personal standard, I have never authenticated any of my personal memorabilia myself under the Global brand name, and would not do so in the future.
                Hello Everyone,

                I spoke with Steve Rocchi today and he asked me to post something on his behalf. Steve is traveling today without internet access and said he will post something himself directly tomorrow when he is back in the office.

                Regarding any potential 'conflict of interest', Steve said Global does have a policy in that regard which he will clarify tomorrow (Steve is obviously the most qualified person to answer that question).

                Regarding the items in the current Historic Auction, Global will NOT be putting their name on any of the certs. While Global was initially asked to provide authentications for that auction, Global decided it was not in their best interest to do so at this time. However, Steve also said that, given any confusion that may have been caused, if any individual who buys an item from the current Historic Auction would like Global to provide additional authentication services on an item purchased from the auction, Steve has offered to provide the service for that item FREE if submitted directly to Global.

                Once again, I am posting this information on Steve's behalf and Steve will post further information tomorrow when he is back in the office. Any further questions should probably be asked directly of Steve.

                Sincerely,
                Christopher Cavalier
                CEO - Game Used Universe
                Christopher Cavalier
                Consignment Director - Heritage Auctions

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                • Eric
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 1970
                  • 2848

                  #9
                  Re: Conflict of Interest- Auction Houses and Authenticators

                  I have received many emails about this topic. I do not have the answer, so I thought I'd lay out the questions I'm getting-

                  Forum users are questioning-

                  Did Global sign off on these items in Historic Auctions already and now are deciding not to offer certificates? If so, why?

                  Or did Historic Auctions incorrectly list in numerous lots that they have been authenticated by Global? How can that be a misunderstanding? Were there authentication certificates or not?

                  I have gotten many angry emails from people who feel like there's something odd going on here, and before they take out their wallets they'd like to know what the heck is going on.

                  Eric
                  Always looking for game used San Diego Chargers items...

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                  • Global Authentication
                    Junior Member
                    • Dec 2005
                    • 4

                    #10
                    Re: Conflict of Interest- Auction Houses and Authenticators

                    Effective immediately, Global Authentication is revamping its game used division. It is in our best interest to suspend all authentications until these upgrades are completed. We are going offer free authentication for any items purchased in the Historic Auctions. Please look to our website for future information.

                    We hope this information clears up any questions anyone may have on this forum.

                    Sincerely,

                    Stephen Rocchi
                    President Global Authentications

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                    • Eric
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 1970
                      • 2848

                      #11
                      Re: Conflict of Interest- Auction Houses and Authenticators

                      Unfortunately that doesn't explain what's going on between Global and Historic Auctions.

                      As I said before, I have received many emails from people wanting to know exactly what's going on here.

                      I'll re-post.

                      Forum users are questioning-

                      Did Global sign off on these items in Historic Auctions already and now are deciding not to offer certificates? If so, why?

                      Or did Historic Auctions incorrectly list in numerous lots that they have been authenticated by Global? How can that be a misunderstanding? Were there authentication certificates or not?

                      I have gotten many angry emails from people who feel like there's something odd going on here, and before they take out their wallets they'd like to know what the heck is going on.

                      Eric
                      Always looking for game used San Diego Chargers items...

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                      • Eric
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 1970
                        • 2848

                        #12
                        Re: Conflict of Interest- Auction Houses and Authenticators

                        And by the way, to the folks at Historic Auctions, I have seen your IP address on the forum a few times today- you can feel free to chime in on this too.

                        In an earlier post, Chris Cavalier wrote, "Regarding the items in the current Historic Auction, Global will NOT be putting their name on any of the certs. While Global was initially asked to provide authentications for that auction, Global decided it was not in their best interest to do so at this time."

                        Historic Auctions, your website mentions Global Authentication certified many of your items. Is this not the case?

                        This is very confusing. Your potential customers want to know.
                        Eric
                        Always looking for game used San Diego Chargers items...

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                        • HistoricAuctions
                          Junior Member
                          • May 2006
                          • 21

                          #13
                          Re: Conflict of Interest- Auction Houses and Authenticators

                          I personally spoke with Steve Rocchi today and, as he stated in his post, they are revamping their game used authentication division. Their revamping, and not our auction, is the reason for Chris Cavalier’s post. Eric, please do not sensationalize things to be more then they actually are. Additionally, in case you were concerned, we will be making announcement tomorrow regarding Global Authentication and their role in our auction.

                          As I've told you and numerous people on the forums, if there are any concerns, please direct them directly to my email address ( james@historicauctions.com ).

                          Eric, I would also appreciate if you remember Rule 16 of the forums and attempt to contact myself at least 24 hours before posting. This will help keep misunderstandings to a minimum. Please do remember the forum rules when making posts. Additionally, since I have not received a single email of concern, if you would forward any and all "angry emails" to the above address, I'll contact the concerned members personally and directly to clear up any misunderstandings or concerns that might exist.

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                          • Eric
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 1970
                            • 2848

                            #14
                            Re: Conflict of Interest- Auction Houses and Authenticators

                            James and Steve, it's hardly sensationalizing. There is something going on here that is extremely confusing and frankly neither of you is doing a good job explaining it.

                            James- thanks for the offer, and as I have done amy times here, I encourage everyone who has been emailing me, to ask your questions to James directly at james@historicauctions.com

                            I and the rest of the forum look forward to hear your explanations of the following issues...

                            Did Global sign off on these items in Historic Auctions already and now are deciding not to offer certificates? If so, why?

                            Or did Historic Auctions incorrectly list in numerous lots that they have been authenticated by Global? How can that be a misunderstanding? Were there authentication certificates or not?

                            Eric
                            Always looking for game used San Diego Chargers items...

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                            • hblakewolf
                              Banned
                              • Nov 2005
                              • 1870

                              #15
                              Re: Conflict of Interest- Auction Houses and Authenticators

                              Eric-
                              I'm still waiting for a response to my post on the 1998 McGwire road jersey in their auction. It too has a Global letter, but this is the least of my concern. I have sold quite a few Cardinals 1998 jerseys and currently own a home and road McGwire from 1998. EVERY 1998 jersey I have sold and own has the EXACT same tagging for the year. the entire year (1998) is present. The Historic jersey has the first 1 in 1998 sewn over. I have seen this before with year tags, however, only on jerseys that have been "doctored" and the tag removed from one shirt, and re-sewn into another. Likewise, the size 52 tag is odd looking. Usually, the tag is smaller in size. I have asked for answers to my concerns (i.e., is the sewing around the year tag possibly re-sewn), however, have not heard a word back.

                              My previous post included photos of my 1998 tagging for reference.

                              As I always say, do your own homework and forget about the worthless LOA's. The only problem here, however, is that my homework is done and the teacher appears to be on vacation!

                              Howard Wolf
                              hblakewolf@patmedia.net

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