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dcrules01
05-21-2010, 05:45 PM
Just picked this up either way I wanted his jersey it was advertised as a gamer the seller also sold another 04 a home and an 07 spring training jersey and pants..Looked up some info on hear and a lot was said about the Majestic Ramirez gamers just wanted some input on the Russell 2004..Here are pics ..Thanks in advance if you would like any other photos just drop me an email..

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k195/metsjerseys/wrightramirez003.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k195/metsjerseys/wrightramirez004.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k195/metsjerseys/wrightramirez005.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k195/metsjerseys/wrightramirez006.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k195/metsjerseys/wrightramirez007.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k195/metsjerseys/wrightramirez008.jpg

soxfan
05-21-2010, 05:55 PM
Well this is always a tough thing to get into. Manny stuff is some of the most wodely available and can be one of the most widely questionable as well.

The big issue in 2004 was the massive, home made-looking tag that you see on his jersey's. From what I have found out, Manny ordered 100's of jersey fro 2003, 2004 and 2005 and would either wear one for every hal-inning, BP session, jog around the park and when he just sat around the house and call them "gamers".

Now that being said, there are a lot of very good examples that are totally legit.

I think as long as it doesn't have the MR24 holo and authenticity (that was through his website charity that no longer exists, and through ASI at the time) you have dodged a bullet there.

Its always tough, I have been burned before with Manny and never felt I could get a 100% auth piece of his (only cause I could never get a photomatch of the items I had).

So to sum up, try to photomatch it, it takes time but it is more than likely the ONLY way to ever get 100% certainty that you have a legit Manny "gamer"...

Good luck, if you do find the photo match, I congratulate you as it would then become a centerpiece in your collection...

Jeremy
macleodjeremy@hotmail.com

dcrules01
05-21-2010, 06:04 PM
Well for what I paid if he did wear it even for a half an inning I stepped in shit lol. Either way I am happy onto the photomatching skills should be fun..Either way I am very pleased no holograms of any sort. What is the home made tagging??

Lokee
05-21-2010, 06:13 PM
At least you didn't get a jersey with the awful looking year tag. I have seen a couple of those here is an example

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii96/mlcssb/manram1.jpg

dcgreg25
05-21-2010, 06:16 PM
Here is a sample of the tagging on the 2003 jerseys ordered from his website.

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm233/gregguy25/RamirezJersey005-2.jpg

dcrules01
05-21-2010, 07:40 PM
I don't think I would have even bid if the tag looked like that.Is that his homemade tag???

kylehess10
05-21-2010, 07:52 PM
I've heard before about Manny's homemade tags.

I always wanted to know though...


WHAT THE HECK WAS HIS PURPOSE OF TAKING THE TIME TO MAKE A NEW TAG???

soxfan
05-21-2010, 08:02 PM
Great pics and thanks for putting them up.

Yes those are the "home made" tags that everyone talks about...

It doesn't make much sense to anyone why it was done, I guess just to put out as many "gamers" as possible...but when you make $27 million a year, why do it?

I guess you can ask Arod too...

Jeremy
macleodjeremy@hotmail.com

STLHAMMER32
05-21-2010, 08:06 PM
......just Manny being Manny.

karamaxjoe
05-21-2010, 08:11 PM
dcrules01 you've been on this forum since the start. I would have guessed you've seen Manny's crazy tagged jerseys with dirt stains on the tags. Do a search and you'll find all kinds of stuff on these jerseys.

dcrules01
05-21-2010, 08:58 PM
Did that did not see much about the Russell jerseys unless I missed. A lot about the Majestic jerseys...

gameused
05-21-2010, 11:04 PM
Scott,

Is this the same jersey that sold on ebay for a BIN of $55?

If it is the same jersey, game used or game issued you scored for that price.

http://cgi.ebay.com/MLB-Game-used-Boston-Redsox-Manny-Ramirez-jersey-sz54-/250634153364?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a5af5ad94#ht_500wt_1154

Bobby

dcrules01
05-22-2010, 12:04 AM
Yes that is the one :D

LastingsMilledge85
05-22-2010, 01:15 AM
The only thing that concerns me from the Ebay standpoint is that the seller only has 3 feedback reviews and I really don;t like his description when he states "The jersey was actually worn by manny ramirez in the 2004 baseball season." That's just me though and something doesn't seem right if the jersey sold for that low. But, if this jersey was indeed used or issued, then I guess $55 would be considered a bargain ;).

STLHAMMER32
05-22-2010, 01:32 AM
wonder why such a cheap buy it now? You can't even get a cheap knockoff hardly for that price. The jersey looks good as far as I can see. Nice Find!

dcrules01
05-22-2010, 06:02 AM
Issued or worn I figured there was no gamble for the price. I asked the seller after I received it why he sold it so cheap. He did not respond. I wanted to get opinions on the jersey from you guys because I am a Mets guy and not sure what I am gonna do with it or how it fits in my collection. As I stated he sold 2 other jerseys home 04 spring training 07 pants 07 and 2 bats to another buyer called Mylittlepony on ebay. I emailed the other buyer and they stated the jerseys had use did not ask about the 2 bats.

Lokee
05-23-2010, 12:54 AM
Well we know what you are doing with it now LOL

http://cgi.ebay.com/Manny-Ramirez-2004-Game-Worn-Jersey-Boston-Red-Sox-/230478352998?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35a9949266

steelpenguin
05-23-2010, 01:16 AM
I happened to catch this when the jersey was listed and it did not stay on long .... I was wondering what the deal was. I guess I should have taken a closer look. I quickly passed this off as another Asia knock off of some sort. Better let the page fully download next time. Weird listing.

dcrules01
05-23-2010, 09:38 AM
Was gonna sell it changed my mind gonna hold onto it and when I get some extra cash send it and have it looked at. Maybe Mears they are pretty good.

dcrules01
05-23-2010, 09:42 AM
Here are the other Ramirez items the seller sold

http://cgi.ebay.com/MLB-Game-used-Boston-Redsox-Manny-Ramirez-jersey-/250634451101?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a5afa389d

http://cgi.ebay.com/MLB-Game-used-Boston-Redsox-Manny-Ramirez-jersey-sz54-/250634362215?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a5af8dd67

http://cgi.ebay.com/Boston-Redsox-game-pants-worn-Manny-Ramirez-/250634384898?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a5af93602

cohibasmoker
05-23-2010, 09:57 AM
Here are the other Ramirez items the seller sold

http://cgi.ebay.com/MLB-Game-used-Boston-Redsox-Manny-Ramirez-jersey-/250634451101?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a5afa389d

http://cgi.ebay.com/MLB-Game-used-Boston-Redsox-Manny-Ramirez-jersey-sz54-/250634362215?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a5af8dd67

http://cgi.ebay.com/Boston-Redsox-game-pants-worn-Manny-Ramirez-/250634384898?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a5af93602

DC,

Terrific pickup at a unbelievable price. Turn the jersey inside out, are the back numbers and "BOSTON" applied using a single stitch method? I ask because I believe that is the way they applied the numbers and letters in 2004 - Retail jerseys are double-stitched.

Jim

flaa1a@comcast.net

dcrules01
05-23-2010, 10:08 AM
So the number is heat pressed together red and black then stitched..I have red stitching and black on the numbers.

dcrules01
05-23-2010, 10:15 AM
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k195/metsjerseys/Information/ramirez001.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k195/metsjerseys/Information/ramirez002.jpg

soxfan
05-23-2010, 10:40 AM
FANTASTIC ADVICE about the lettering on the inside of the jersey!

Have done a lot of research and reading about these jersey's and never came across that little piece of info.

Yet another reason why this is THE BEST resource for the true GU/memorabilia collector.

Thanks!

Jeremy
macleodjeremy@hotmail.com

cohibasmoker
05-23-2010, 11:00 AM
DC,

Terrific pickup at a unbelievable price. Turn the jersey inside out, are the back numbers and "BOSTON" applied using a single stitch method? I ask because I believe that is the way they applied the numbers and letters in 2004 - Retail jerseys are double-stitched.

Jim

flaa1a@comcast.net

I was WRONG in this thread. I pulled my authenticated 2004 Red Sox jersey out of it's frame and took these scans. As we can see, the numbers and letters are double-stitched.

Jim

flaa1a@comcast.net

dcrules01
05-23-2010, 11:03 AM
:d :d :d

STLHAMMER32
05-23-2010, 11:13 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250634896425


Look at this listing from the same seller. He sold 2 what look to be game issued verdero/controlling Manny Ramirez bats and two Akadema Gloves with Manny Ramirez's name stitched on them....for $140. You think the seller just has no idea what he has?

dcrules01
05-23-2010, 11:23 AM
I asked him why he was selling the items so cheap he never responded to that question. Funny story the jersey I bought was delivered to the wrong address this past Wed. The house that it was delivered to the people returned it to the post office Thursday and I picked it up on Fri. What are the chances..

NeonStatus
05-23-2010, 06:56 PM
He must have stole all of these items from a collector. I can't believe he sold (2) fielding gloves and (2) bats for $140. That is just ridiculous.

Maybe its just Manny being Manny, and selling his "junk." Or he had someone see his items for him.

Metsfan808
05-24-2010, 11:08 AM
Was gonna sell it changed my mind gonna hold onto it and when I get some extra cash send it and have it looked at. Maybe Mears they are pretty good.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Manny-Ramirez-2004-Game-Worn-Jersey-Boston-Red-Sox-/230478711695?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35a99a0b8f

Changed your mind again?? Is there any concrete proof of this jersey being game used?? You bought it for $55 question its authenticity on this site and then list it as game used to sell it at a huge profit? Don't you think that any potential buyers deserves to know that there is no proof whatsoever that this jersey was worn in an actual game? That it is more likely to be a team issued jersey than it is a game used? Unless you have this photomatched it is deceptive to list it as game used IMO.

skipcarayislegend
05-24-2010, 12:42 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/Manny-Ramirez-2004-Game-Worn-Jersey-Boston-Red-Sox-/230478711695?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35a99a0b8f

Changed your mind again?? Is there any concrete proof of this jersey being game used?? You bought it for $55 question its authenticity on this site and then list it as game used to sell it at a huge profit? Don't you think that any potential buyers deserves to know that there is no proof whatsoever that this jersey was worn in an actual game? That it is more likely to be a team issued jersey than it is a game used? Unless you have this photomatched it is deceptive to list it as game used IMO.

Are you saying that anything listed as "game used" is misleading as long as there isn't a photomatch?

DC, assuming there's nothing screwy with the shirt, it'd be graded a 5 by MEARS, no?

Good for you on this find. Hopefully it's a legit jersey. And good for you if you can make a "huge profit" off it.

skipcarayislegend
05-24-2010, 12:57 PM
Unless you have this photomatched it is deceptive to list it as game used IMO.

Oops. You're talking the Manny shirt. Missed the "this" in your statement.

Either way, unless it's been tampered with, and it's proven to be identical to other '04 road Sox gamers, calling it game used isn't a crime, imo. (How does anyone know if anything's authentic unless it's photomatched?)

Photomatching a Manny shirt from this time frame has to be one of the hardest things to do anyway.

If I was DC, I'd be more worried if the jersey had that bizarre year tag.

Metsfan808
05-24-2010, 02:06 PM
Either way, unless it's been tampered with, and it's proven to be identical to other '04 road Sox gamers, calling it game used isn't a crime, imo.

So if I bought a team issued jersey and sold it as game used that is OK because it is identical to other gamers of that player and that year??

All I am saying is that he questioned the legitimacy of the jersey being game used on this site and while there is a possibility that it is, to sell it as if he was 100% sure that it was game used is deceptive. There was no definitive proof given to him on this site that the jersey was game used & the he has not provided any photomatch to that effect or had the jersey examined by a professional to that effect. Mears A5 is a $200 opinion that it is at the very least game issued even if he had that it would still not be proof of use in an actual game. What proof can he provide to a potential buyer that it is game used? If he can not then he should not list it as game used. The buyer should be made aware that there is no proof of it being game used other than his word & that there is more evidence to suggest that it is just a game issued jersey than a game used jersey.

dcrules01
05-24-2010, 02:21 PM
Like the David Wright game issued I sold you that you had the patch added and the Bob Murphy embroidery and and the Ya Gotta Believe Tug you had added at stitches then sold it on ebay as a team issued David Wright rookie..Or the gamer you stripped and turned into a Gooden then sold it as a 93 Gooden issued or the 9-11 Alfonzo that you bought as a blank and had customized at Stitches and sold it as a team issued Alfonzo from 01. You did all this without mentioning this in your auctions. I bought the jersey for $55 and posted it on this board and the only negative feedback I have received is from someone that mislead potential buyers himself. You are gonna question me on ethics that is a joke. I have exchanged emails with several Red Sox collectors who feel comfotable with the jersey tagging matches up jersey has light use with some threads along the nameplate area loosened. As I was told Ramirez switched his jerseys all the time sometimes more than once during a game. Any potential buyer of the jersey will be directed to this thread if no one buys it good for me. I wonder what you would do if you were the one that bought it..

Metsfan808
05-24-2010, 02:37 PM
Like the David Wright game issued I sold you that you had the patch added and the Bob Murphy embroidery and and the Ya Gotta Believe Tug you had added at stitches then sold it on ebay as a team issued David Wright rookie..Or the gamer you stripped and turned into a Gooden then sold it as a 93 Gooden issued or the 9-11 Alfonzo that you bought as a blank and had customized at Stitches and sold it as a team issued Alfonzo from 01. You did all this without mentioning this in your auctions. I bought the jersey for $55 and posted it on this board and the only negative feedback I have received is from someone that mislead potential buyers himself. You are gonna question me on ethics that is a joke. I have exchanged emails with several Red Sox collectors who feel comfotable with the jersey tagging matches up jersey has light use with some threads along the nameplate area loosened. As I was told Ramirez switched his jerseys all the time sometimes more than once during a game. Any potential buyer of the jersey will be directed to this thread if no one buys it good for me. I wonder what you would do if you were the one that bought it..

I have never passed off a jersey as game used while questioning its authenticity. I sold team issued jerseys and listed them as team issued jerseys. If I can not prove that something is game used I would never try to pass it off as game used.

skipcarayislegend
05-24-2010, 02:37 PM
Like the David Wright game issued I sold you that you had the patch added and the Bob Murphy embroidery and and the Ya Gotta Believe Tug you had added at stitches then sold it on ebay as a team issued David Wright rookie..Or the gamer you stripped and turned into a Gooden then sold it as a 93 Gooden issued or the 9-11 Alfonzo that you bought as a blank and had customized at Stitches and sold it as a team issued Alfonzo from 01. You did all this without mentioning this in your auctions. I bought the jersey for $55 and posted it on this board and the only negative feedback I have received is from someone that mislead potential buyers himself. You are gonna question me on ethics that is a joke. I have exchanged emails with several Red Sox collectors who feel comfotable with the jersey tagging matches up jersey has light use with some threads along the nameplate area loosened. As I was told Ramirez switched his jerseys all the time sometimes more than once during a game. Any potential buyer of the jersey will be directed to this thread if no one buys it good for me. I wonder what you would do if you were the one that bought it..

Good points. Totally forgot about all that. Here's the thread:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=26306&highlight=mets+9-11+Alfonzo+gooden

DC didn't alter the Manny shirt and Sox collectors seem to agree that there are no immediate red flags. If DC knew with absolute certainty that Ramirez never touched the jersey, then there's no reason to call it g/u. Otherwise I see no harm here. If the thing had sold for $500, I doubt we'd be talking about it.