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htdc44
08-07-2010, 05:55 PM
Hi everyone, I saw this jersey on americanmemorabilia.com, just wondering isn't all the 1979 St. Louis gamer have Last name on the back?

joelsabi
08-07-2010, 06:23 PM
heres a photo from 1979. you can see teammate George Hendrick's name on the back too.

Birdbats
08-07-2010, 06:53 PM
Yes, it should have Brock's name on the back. The uniform is minor league issue, not a Brock uniform. I find that photo interesting because the Cardinals had numbers on their sleeves (not on the front) in 1979 and 1980. Is the photo from spring training?

joelsabi
08-07-2010, 07:02 PM
Yes, it should have Brock's name on the back. The uniform is minor league issue, not a Brock uniform. I find that photo interesting because the Cardinals had numbers on their sleeves (not on the front) in 1979 and 1980. Is the photo from spring training?

i found it here.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1979-ST-LOUIS-CARDINALS-10X8-SIGNED-BROCK-SIMMONS-1-/120606039310?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0

so im taking by the description on the listing, but in fairness, it could be from 1978 too as Ted Simmons, George Hendrick and Lou Brock were teammates at the same time in both 1978 and 1979.

Birdbats
08-07-2010, 07:39 PM
i found it here.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1979-ST-LOUIS-CARDINALS-10X8-SIGNED-BROCK-SIMMONS-1-/120606039310?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0

so im taking by the description on the listing, but in fairness, it could be from 1978 too as Ted Simmons, George Hendrick and Lou Brock were teammates at the same time in both 1978 and 1979.

Hendrick wore #27 in '78; Jerry Morales wore #25 that entire season. So, this almost has to be from '79. If it's not from spring training, then I'm really confused.

sox83cubs84
08-07-2010, 07:45 PM
Sad to say, there have been dozens of times where either ignorant or unscrupulous sellers have tried to turn these minor league jerseys into "spring training" jerseys, or made some attempt to try and tie a $50 or $75 jersey to a major Cardinals star. I've seen it too, with Boyer, Simmons, and Reggie Smith, among others. The Cards have worn NOBs since 1963, covering the last several seasons of flannels and the entire doubleknit era.
Many years ago, there was even a 1967-68 Cardinals minor league #9 flannel that some d-bag was selling as a "spring training" Roger Maris gamer.

Dave Miedema

sox83cubs84
08-07-2010, 07:57 PM
Also...if I recall correctly, Brock used to have a straight-cut tail on his gamers, not the rounded cut like this one has.

Dave Miedema

htdc44
08-08-2010, 12:39 AM
Is brock size 40?

htdc44
08-08-2010, 12:41 AM
Here is the whole pic

Dach0sen0ne
08-08-2010, 12:28 PM
I'm confused, the site had this item listed as the following:

The Old Timers game is a chance for the fans to see the old and new. Hall of famer Lou Brock wore this in a 1980's Old Timers Game. The jersey is double knit and exhibits minimal wear. The Cardinals logo is beautifully embroidered in chenille stitch. The "20" identifiers are two color sewn on tackle twill. The lower left tail contains the Wilson flag tag [size] "40", in addition "L.Brock" is written in ink inside of the back tail. Also offered are the pants which include button snaps and a drawstring including the Wilson tag [size] "30" and "Brock" written in the inner waistband.

joelsabi
08-08-2010, 12:39 PM
I'm confused, the site had this item listed as the following:

The Old Timers game is a chance for the fans to see the old and new. Hall of famer Lou Brock wore this in a 1980's Old Timers Game. The jersey is double knit and exhibits minimal wear. The Cardinals logo is beautifully embroidered in chenille stitch. The "20" identifiers are two color sewn on tackle twill. The lower left tail contains the Wilson flag tag [size] "40", in addition "L.Brock" is written in ink inside of the back tail. Also offered are the pants which include button snaps and a drawstring including the Wilson tag [size] "30" and "Brock" written in the inner waistband.

that would explain alot. i think most of us were helping assuming the jersey photo was of a regular season jersey and not a jersey used in an old timers game.

you have the link for the auction?

joelsabi
08-08-2010, 12:51 PM
Is brock size 40?

right size, but missing a SET number flap tag.

Dach0sen0ne
08-08-2010, 03:07 PM
that would explain alot. i think most of us were helping assuming the jersey photo was of a regular season jersey and not a jersey used in an old timers game.

you have the link for the auction?

http://americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=17603&p=0&s=Featured%20DESC,%20RandNo%20ASC&t=Closed&c=All%20Categories&q=brock&offset=30


It's an auction from 2005.

htdc44
08-08-2010, 09:11 PM
do you guys have a picture of a 1989 cardinals gamer?

Birdbats
08-08-2010, 10:04 PM
Even an old-timers game jersey would have Brock's NOB.

both-teams-played-hard
08-08-2010, 10:21 PM
Fellas, I think it's safe to assume that Brock never saw this jersey. I'm thinking a size 42 would be right. No sleeve number, no NOB, no set tag. Old timers game? Just words. The use of the term "chenille" irks me. THIS WOULD BE "chain-stitching". Chenille is a fabric used by a sweatshop worker to weave a GAP sweater.

joelsabi
08-08-2010, 10:22 PM
Even an old-timers game jersey would have Brock's NOB.

So is it your opinion this is a 1973-1984 Minor League jersey?

both-teams-played-hard
08-08-2010, 10:32 PM
http://a.imageshack.us/img836/9813/cc3.jpg
chain-stitching


http://a.imageshack.us/img718/1828/44628572.jpg
chenille