Nolan Ryan Goodman Jerseys

[hblakewolf]

Forum Readers-

I have seen quite a few Nolan Ryan Rangers jerseys in my many years with this hobby. It is my understanding that he only WORE Goodmans and Sons brand jerseys. He first used them with the Astros and carried this over to the Rangers.

As such, can a Rangers expert please comment on this Rawlings brand jersey currentlyup for auction:
http://vintageauthentics.at.truition.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=71673742&prmenbr=57735959&aunbr=72020452

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[worldchamps]

There is a zero per cent chance he wore this while playing in a game..he only wore Goodman and Sons....I have seen claims that the other jerseys (Rawlings etc) he would wear on games he didn't pitch, I personally doubt that.

To me both the Ryan and the Griffey jerseys would seem to be a Scoreboard signed jersey...does this make sence...kind of like all the Bo Jackson's????

Bill

[hblakewolf]

Bill-
Let's not forget the fact that the white Rawlings tag on both of these shirts was first used in 1990, not 1989 as both shirts have year tags from.

The description on the Ryan clearly reads "GAME WORN".

Any Rangers experts care to chime in?

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[BoneRubbedBat]

Be careful when using terms like always, never, etc. There are photos of Ryan wearing Rawlings, Sand Knit, and Goodman jerseys while on the mound during the 1980's with the Astros. The Baseball Companion by Angus G. Garber III has a color photo on page 13 of Nolan Ryan in the late 1980's wearing a Rawlings road jersey while on the mound. The Rawlings embroidery is evident on the right sleve. This obviously debunks any myth of the Goodman exclusivity. Goodman was, by far, his most prevalent choice though.

[hblakewolf]

Marcus-
Some valid points with the Astros, however, can you also reference a photo of Ryan wearing the same Rawlings brand while pitching for the Rangers?

Thanks.
Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

Always buying Phillies, Portland Beavers and Ron Wotus game worn jerseys.

[worldchamps]

I agree you shouldn't use 100%, always, never in this hobby....however in this case I can confidently say that, I have personally spoken with Nolan on his jerseys and he was very particular in what he wore. Could it happen, yeah it could.....Jordan had to wear number 12 for one game once bc someone stole his jersey, but in this case I would say highly unlikely and would stress highly to the highest level.

Bill

[R. C. Walker]

Not a Rangers nor Ryan expert, but found these a few months back when this question was asked concerning the Rawlings or Goodman debate. If I am not mistaken, those lines on the right sleeves are Rawlings tags.

1149

1151

[hblakewolf]

R.C.-
Now this is what I call doing your homework! Great work. These are the first photos I have seen of Ryan wearing a Rawlings jersey. Can a Rangers expert comment on this? Why is it believed that he only wore Goodmans when we see him now wearing Rawlings?

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[BoneRubbedBat]

My post should have read Rangers, not Astros.

[kingjammy24]

not the first time this issue has come up:
http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=1098

as stated earlier, i have a feeling that those photos are from spring training games.

oddly enough, in 2004 ami auctioned off a jersey almost identical to this va one:

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=5867

the ami description:
"Home white Texas Rangers jersey will fool all but the most savvy collectors into thinking you've got a game worn shirt, as the tail tagging looks like the real deal. But it's not--Ryan was issued these jerseys, but preferred those made by another manufacturer."

rudy.

[wrestlecon]

Just a thought...all 3 pictures above are from spring training...

[hblakewolf]

Great point-the Rangers did wear their game jerseys during spring training-see attached.

Can someone find a photo of Ryan wearing Rawlings during a regular season game, not spring?

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

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[sportscentury]

Two questions:

1) Do we know that the photos of Ryan wearing the Rawlings jerseys are from spring training? If so, how do we know this? Does it say "spring training" in the Getty captions for the listed photos?

2) Does anyone know why Ryan would wear Rawlings jerseys in spring training and refuse to wear them in regular season games? Did he have a contract with Goodman & Sons? Some other reason?

Thanks in advance for this information. A very interesting thread.

Reid

[trsent]

Where did The Rangers play their spring games back then?

It just struck me that Nolan Ryan has a long sleeve undershirt on in the photo Howard posted, and I do not know if this may mean something about dating the photo correctly as we know Getty does have errors. Often a photo like this will have a description such as "Nolan Ryan thrown a pitch in a Spring Training game."

[kingjammy24]

Reid:

1) In R.C. Walker's third/last photo, the caption reads "PORT CHARLOTTE, FL - UNDATED: Pitcher Nolan Ryan #34 of the Texas Rangers pitches during spring training in the 1990s in Port Charlotte, Florida."
The other 2 images don't specifically date or place the photo. However, if you look closely at the 2nd and 3rd images, don't the backgrounds look identical? I'm going by that large, black, tarp hanging in the background above the outfield wall. If you agree that the backgrounds are similar enough to be the same venue, and #3 is described specifically as a spring training game, then it would stand to reason that #2 is a spring training game as well. Additionally, I may be wrong but the background doesn't look like any Major League park that I remember. As for the first image, well I guess that one's anyone's guess.

2) As I offered earlier, it may be likely that Ryan's Goodman jerseys simply hadn't made it to Port Charlotte in time and so he used the Rawlings jersey he was issued. Not his preference but better than pitching topless.

Regarding the Ryan in the VA auction, is the manufacturer's tag consistent with it being from 1989?

Rudy.

[sportscentury]

Rudy,

Very good. Thanks for your observations.

Reid

[BoneRubbedBat]

Here is the photo from the book I referenced earlier. As I stated in my correction, it is a Rangers jersey, not an Astros jersey.

[sportscentury]

Marcus,

Great photo. Do I dare ask if this is a photo of Ryan in action during a *regular season* game?

Thanks for posting the pic.

Reid

[BoneRubbedBat]

The book doesn't give any details. I was hoping someone would recognize the stadium. I thought it was neat to see a road Rawlings in addition to the previously posted home Rawlings on Ryan.