Fraudulent Arod 2010 Team Issued Jersey on Ebay

[gucollector]

Steiner has no info yet on when they will receive any game used/issued jerseys from the Yankees with the Steinbrenner and Sheppard patches yet... although this seller, who has been discussed before already has one up for sale WITHOUT the LOA once again. There is no way this is legit, and is another example of merchandise on the secondary market that is not legit.

http://cgi.ebay.com/2010-NY-Yankees-Alex-Rodriguez-Team-Game-Issued-Jersey-/270615443698?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f01eff8f2

[gorilla777]

He forgot to sew on the black armband too!


Ben

[Dach0sen0ne]

He forgot to sew on the black armband too!


Ben

Must be a game before the 22nd. ;)

[ferro39]

oh come on

[Dach0sen0ne]

Thankfully the auction was ended early. It looks like they removed all pictures and deleted the description. I'm glad nobody got duped for now, but I bet it will be back.

[jetersbatboy]

The jersey looked to like a spring training jersey. The fact the MLB logo on the neck was silver and blue was kind of a give away. I think those logos where only used on there ST pinstripes this year.

[jtorrez]

The jersey looked to like a spring training jersey. The fact the MLB logo on the neck was silver and blue was kind of a give away. I think those logos where only used on there ST pinstripes this year.

I did not see the pics of the jersey but the Yankees are using the blue/silver mlb logo on their jerseys this year. They are on the jerseys they are wearing right now.

[jtorrez]

Thankfully the auction was ended early. It looks like they removed all pictures and deleted the description. I'm glad nobody got duped for now, but I bet it will be back.

That does not mean that that auction was not ended early and sold on the side. The seller did have an offer on the jersey that was declined.

[jetersbatboy]

That does not mean that that auction was not ended early and sold on the side. The seller did have an offer on the jersey that was declined.

I stand corrected!!!!;)

Does anyone know when the made the switch?

[platinum1]

Look at his items he has sold.
Is this guy from this forum. The Thome jerseys where offered here before wasn't?
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=mchell616&&sspagename=VIP:feedback&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller

[platinum1]

Also Why did this seller Buyer:
Member id cg557620 (http://myworld.ebay.com/cg557620) (private (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=cg557620)) buy so many Matsui jerseys
2008 NY Yankees Hideki Matsui Team/Game Issued Jersey (#270542508543)
2008 NY Yankees Hideki Matsui Team/Game Issued Jersey (#270530958719)
2009 NY Yankees Hideki Matsui Team/Game Issued Jersey (#270519276541)
2006 NY Yankees Hideki Matsui Team/Game Issued Jersey (#270507084125)

[jtorrez]

Also Why did this seller Buyer:
Member id cg557620 (http://myworld.ebay.com/cg557620) (private (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=cg557620)) buy so many Matsui jerseys
2008 NY Yankees Hideki Matsui Team/Game Issued Jersey (#270542508543)
2008 NY Yankees Hideki Matsui Team/Game Issued Jersey (#270530958719)
2009 NY Yankees Hideki Matsui Team/Game Issued Jersey (#270519276541)
2006 NY Yankees Hideki Matsui Team/Game Issued Jersey (#270507084125)

That buyer is from Japan, I guess he is selling them over there.

[jetersbatboy]

Also Why did this seller Buyer:
Member id cg557620 (http://myworld.ebay.com/cg557620) (private (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=cg557620)) buy so many Matsui jerseys
2008 NY Yankees Hideki Matsui Team/Game Issued Jersey (#270542508543)
2008 NY Yankees Hideki Matsui Team/Game Issued Jersey (#270530958719)
2009 NY Yankees Hideki Matsui Team/Game Issued Jersey (#270519276541)
2006 NY Yankees Hideki Matsui Team/Game Issued Jersey (#270507084125)

I sold to this guy before, he's a collector or dealer out of japan. He buys up anything from Japanese MLB players.

[legaleagle92481]

I did not see the pics of the jersey but the Yankees are using the blue/silver mlb logo on their jerseys this year. They are on the jerseys they are wearing right now.

You are correct my MLB certified Mariano GU jersey has the logo like that. Unfortunately since the patched jerseys will command a premiumn he is not going to be the only guy to do this, he was just dumb and jumped the gun and had a prior rep.

[slam]

Steiner has them out now.

[gucollector]

Steiner AND/OR eBay needs to do something about this seller, yet another jersey with NO COA... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=270617294124&Category=60597&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26its%3DI%26otn%3D2

[Dach0sen0ne]

Steiner AND/OR eBay needs to do something about this seller, yet another jersey with NO COA... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=270617294124&Category=60597&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26its%3DI%26otn%3D2


Does Steiner keep a record of their numbered holos? It would be interesting to see what type of jersey that number is linked to.

[jtorrez]

Steiner AND/OR eBay needs to do something about this seller, yet another jersey with NO COA... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=270617294124&Category=60597&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26its%3DI%26otn%3D2

Can they really do anything though? Steiner sells blank team issued jerseys with holograms on them. If this seller is buying blanks and having them customized is there anything that Steiner can do? Does the law require that the seller remove the hologram if they have them customized? I don't know where the seller gets his jerseys from but if he is buying them direct from Steiner blank and they are the ones putting the holograms on them that right there is the problem. What can Steiner really do as long as the seller is not claiming that they are game used being that they sold the jersey blank with a hologram on it?

[ereyes]

Just wanted everyone to know that we have not received any 2010 Team Issued jersey from the Yankees. Someone is trying to sell an Arod team issued jersey on Ebay with patches. They most likely added the patches and MLB logo on neck. Don't be fooled into buying this jersey. Any questions you can reach me at 888-265-9298 or email me at ereyes@steinersports.com.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270650988052&_trksid=p2759.l1259

[allstarsplus]

Just wanted everyone to know that we have not received any 2010 Team Issued jersey from the Yankees. Someone is trying to sell an Arod team issued jersey on Ebay with patches. They most likely added the patches and MLB logo on neck. Don't be fooled into buying this jersey. Any questions you can reach me at 888-265-9298 or email me at ereyes@steinersports.com.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270650988052&_trksid=p2759.l1259

Do you think that is a legit game issued jersey from last year (or prior year) that someone added the patches to or is it a legit jersey that left the clubhouse this year and they added a Steiner hologram.

Also, is ARod wearing knit jerseys this year?

[joelsabi]

Efrain,

Thanks for the info. Aside from missing 2 tags, I noticed that the Sheppard patch looks off. The mic should have a white background. The fake has a grey background around the mic.

Any chance the Steiner database will be available in the future online to verify Steiner holograms?

[LastingsMilledge85]

This jersey could only be from this year because of the colors of the MLB logo on the back so chances are the jersey is a fake all together.

[ereyes]

I'm going to say that its a jersey from a previous year due to the image of the wash tag. They changed the MLB logo and added the patches to include the different color Sheppard.

[BULBUS]

This person has been selling Yankees "game issued" jerseys with Steiner holograms and no letters for a couple of years now. It appears that they buy blank jerseys and add the numbers and patches.

[joelsabi]

Efrain,

As BULBUS alluded to in his posting, this ebay seller has been doing this for a couple of years of selling uniforms with the Steiner hologram but without the Steiner COA. What is Steiner's policy when they notice a seller doing this? Besides warning us here, does Steiner even care to go after the Seller as it does damage the Steiner name if these fakes are out in the market.

[ereyes]

Contact Ebay and have the item(s) removed. Unfortunately they are not as quick as we would want them to be.

[joelsabi]

Contact Ebay and have the item(s) removed. Unfortunately they are not as quick as we would want them to be.

So does Steiner ever go after Sellers legally for selling items claiming to come from Steiner when they do not? I think such a policy would make people think twice before trying to sell a fake Steiner item. Also the thought of being able to validate a hologram online as you can do with MLB hologram products would be more assuring to consumers too.

Just wanting to make the Steiner product more safe for the consumer. In the meantime, I must resort to bugging my Steiner Rep to verify a hologram.

[legaleagle92481]

Steiner is in a rough spot with these fakes and I must say I feel bad for them. If they take legal recourse they have to incur legal fees and court costs against small time sellers who likely do not have much in the way of assets or money so whatever judgement they could get they likely would never actually see so they would essentially cost themselves money by suing. Most people think the legal system is this magical thing its not. When you sue everyday people no matter how wrong they are and insurance companies are not involved (i.e. car crash, premises liability, etc.) it is very tough to actually recover anything.

[jtorrez]

I asked this question before and I did not get an answer. If Steiner sells team issued blanks, can they really go after someone who has them customized and sells them? I don't see how they can if they put a hologram on a blank jersey. If the person is not advertising them as game used is it really fraud considering they got the jersey directly from Steiner? techincally it is a team issued jersey just as it was advertised by Steiner when they sold it. If you look at the listing the seller is careful not to say that it was actually issued to ARod or that it came from Steiner, logistically, are they really committing fraud? It is definitely deceptive, but it is really a criminal act?

Maybe Steiner needs to stop putting holos on blanks, marking them somehow as a jersey that was blank or maybe cut off the wash code tags before they sell them??

[joelsabi]

Steiner is in a rough spot with these fakes and I must say I feel bad for them. If they take legal recourse they have to incur legal fees and court costs against small time sellers who likely do not have much in the way of assets or money so whatever judgement they could get they likely would never actually see so they would essentially cost themselves money by suing. Most people think the legal system is this magical thing its not. When you sue everyday people no matter how wrong they are and insurance companies are not involved (i.e. car crash, premises liability, etc.) it is very tough to actually recover anything.

It is a tough place. However I think your intellectually property is worth saving even if they never see a penny from these sellers as there is the loss of reputation of the Steiner trademark from these sales. Personally, I would like to see at least an attempt to thwarts these selllers by Steiner.

[allstarsplus]

Notice the laundry tag that it is a 48C. The C is for customization which I believe Majestic started putting those "C's" on there in 2008 or 2009. Even if the MLB logo on the back of the neck is incorrect, they can still take off the old one and add a new one.

Maybe Steiner should try to figure out who this guy is! Is it really that difficult?

[allstarsplus]

I asked this question before and I did not get an answer. If Steiner sells team issued blanks, can they really go after someone who has them customized and sells them? I don't see how they can if they put a hologram on a blank jersey. If the person is not advertising them as game used is it really fraud considering they got the jersey directly from Steiner? techincally it is a team issued jersey just as it was advertised by Steiner when they sold it. If you look at the listing the seller is careful not to say that it was actually issued to ARod or that it came from Steiner, logistically, are they really committing fraud? It is definitely deceptive, but it is really a criminal act?

Maybe Steiner needs to stop putting holos on blanks, marking them somehow as a jersey that was blank or maybe cut off the wash code tags before they sell them??

You bring up some valid points but maybe Steiner should stop selling game issued all together as they really end up competing with themselves down the road or as you said, in the least don't sell blanks and put holo's on them.

[allstarsplus]

Just wanted everyone to know that we have not received any 2010 Team Issued jersey from the Yankees. Someone is trying to sell an Arod team issued jersey on Ebay with patches. They most likely added the patches and MLB logo on neck. Don't be fooled into buying this jersey. Any questions you can reach me at 888-265-9298 or email me at ereyes@steinersports.com.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270650988052&_trksid=p2759.l1259

Update, the seller cancelled the bid and ended the auction.

[joelsabi]

Maybe Steiner should try to figure out who this guy is! Is it really that difficult?

if the jersey was originally bought from Steiner, it should be easy enough to look up the hologram number affixed to the jersey in the Sales Database to know who bought it, assuming it's a team issued jersey that was enhanced by the ebay seller.

[ereyes]

Just curious JTorrez, are you the seller of this jersey? I'm asking because I just received an email from the seller with the same comments you posted.

[joelsabi]

Notice the laundry tag that it is a 48C. The C is for customization which I believe Majestic started putting those "C's" on there in 2008 or 2009. Even if the MLB logo on the back of the neck is incorrect, they can still take off the old one and add a new one.

Maybe Steiner should try to figure out who this guy is! Is it really that difficult?

I am wondering if the hologram matches to a blank issue jersey or a Arod team issue jersay. It doesn't seem that a blank issue would have a 'C' tag or would it.

[jtorrez]

Just curious JTorrez, are you the seller of this jersey? I'm asking because I just received an email from the seller with the same comments you posted.

No, I am not the seller of this jersey. I was curious as to why Steiner sells blank team issued jerseys that are not marked or labeled as blank and whether or not they are culpable in the jersey that was being sold. If the problem in the industry is that people are creating jerseys out of blanks, how can Steiner go after them if they provided the blank?

[jtorrez]

Just curious JTorrez, are you the seller of this jersey? I'm asking because I just received an email from the seller with the same comments you posted.

Can you please post the email that was sent to you?

[ereyes]

The answer to the blank jersey question is as follows. We haven't recevied blank jerseys from the Yankees for years. Can't remember the last time we had them, so in this case this is not the issue. I posted this to alert potential buyers. Yes its a concern, yes I'm pushing for the number hologram system to work on the website. FYI 2010 Issued jerseys will have a distinct marking that Game Used will not. So I'm aware of the issues, I'm aware that people are beating the system and I'm working hard to get things in the right direction. If you want to ask any other questions call me 888-265-9298.

[BULBUS]

The answer to the blank jersey question is as follows. We haven't recevied blank jerseys from the Yankees for years. Can't remember the last time we had them, so in this case this is not the issue.

I have 2 blanks that I bought from Steiner last year. They are both home jerseys tagged 2008, with no numbers or patches. They have the Steiner hologram and the LOA states that they are game issued jerseys with no number or patches.

-Chris

[mbenga28]

why blanks, can't this seller be buying real game lightly used jerseys with numbers taking off the number and recustomizing it.

the problem I have are the shops who do customizing. they are the ones who should be called out. didn't the NFL lock down on some stores from customizing jerseys, baseball basketball and hockey need to do the same.

[gucollector]

I have 2 blanks that I bought from Steiner last year. They are both home jerseys tagged 2008, with no numbers or patches. They have the Steiner hologram and the LOA states that they are game issued jerseys with no number or patches.

-Chris

And they still have 4 on their site for sale as of this moment.

http://www.steinersports.com/2008-yankees-game-issued-home-pinstripe-jersey1#

[mbenga28]

And they still have 4 on their site for sale as of this moment.

http://www.steinersports.com/2008-yankees-game-issued-home-pinstripe-jersey1#


is this a blank?

http://www.steinersports.com/2009-yankees-game-used-road-gray-jersey-w/-inaugural-season-ws-patches

[BULBUS]

is this a blank?

Judging by the size (40), I would say that is a bat boy used jersey.

[LastingsMilledge85]

Brings A-Fraud to a whole new meaning...

[BULBUS]

Looks like the jersey is re-listed with the Steiner hologram removed:

http://cgi.ebay.com/2010-NY-Yankees-Alex-Rodriguez-Team-Game-Issued-Jersey-/270657036399?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f046aa06f

[mbenga28]

is that even a 2010 jersey I dont see a year flag tag?

[shafrancollectibles.com]

The jersey in question obviously did not originate from Steiner as already discussed, but to clarify MBenga28's question, not all Yankees jersey had year tags this past season. I had several of the pinstripe jerseys from the set authenticated after the last regular season home game and I think only 2 had a year tag. That said, those particular jerseys had MLB and Steiner Authentication so the lack of a year tag was not all that alarming - much unlike the AROD being discussed here.

[rmichne]

The jersey in question is a size 48 not a size 40.