Derek Jeter wins a gold glove

[Fnazxc0114]

It shows how big of a joke this award has become.

[Vintagedeputy]

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Jeter has perfected that "run right, jump, throw from deep in the hole" thing to its finest. Not only has he reconditioned himself but he is without a doubt, still the top defensive SS in the league. There's some other good players out there, but they'll have to work long and hard to do what he does day in, and day out.

[lakeerie92]

Re: Derek Jeter wins a gold glove

It shows how big of a joke this award has become.

I would have to disagree. He only commited 6 errors this year, the lowest amount of errors in a season for him in his career. (Not counting 1995 when he only played 15 games.)

[ferro39]

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that's pretty much it

his range is shot, but he fields whatever he gets too cleanly

[5kRunner]

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I would have to disagree. He only commited 6 errors this year, the lowest amount of errors in a season for him in his career. (Not counting 1995 when he only played 15 games.)

And his range factor is 3.62 vs 4.36 league average. That means he got to 120 less balls than the average SS did this year. He can't make errors if he doesn't get to the ball.

And for the record, I like Jeter. But he should not have won the Gold Glove. I agree with the OP, its a joke.

[Fnazxc0114]

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5k runner where did you get those stats from, id be interested in looking them up for both leagues. Jeter is good at getting ground balls hit right to him, but the going to his right and throwing isnt his strong point anymore. Saw him try it in the alcs and he just looked old.

[ferro39]

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a big thing was made about his range either before this past season or last--according to those numbers, he was ranked as one of the worst (if not THE worst) SS's in the majors.

any yanks fan can tell you, his first step or two is insanely slow. but like i said, if he actually gets to a ball, he rarely flubs it. that said, would it be better of he got to more balls, but over- or under-threw the 1B and gave up the extra base? i dont have an answer for that.

in this case, i dont think the numbers tell the whole story. he's not the worst fielding SS in the league, but i also dont think he should have sniffed a GG this season

[salukidave]

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In 2010, Alexei Ramirez destroyed Derek Jeter as a defensive shortstop. Ramirez may have made 15 or so more errors, but he made a ton more plays that Jeter can only dream about at this stage of his career. The players got it right when they voted Ramirez as the A.L. all-star shortstop in The Sporting News voting.

[Fnazxc0114]

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yep and elvis andrus was snubbed.

[mbrieve]

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http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/6238/gold-glove-results-mixed-as-usual

[earlywynnfan]

Re: Derek Jeter wins a gold glove

Jeter has perfected that "run right, jump, throw from deep in the hole" thing to its finest. Not only has he reconditioned himself but he is without a doubt, still the top defensive SS in the league. There's some other good players out there, but they'll have to work long and hard to do what he does day in, and day out.

Really?? Jeter was never the top defensive SS in the league. Even after Vizquel left, there was still better. And today, I'd rather have 45-year old Omar playing behind me than Jeter. Jeter just won a "Steve Garvey" Gold Glove: If it's to him, he's great, but if it involves moving or bending over, well, that's why outfielders back up the play.

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

[lakeerie92]

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And his range factor is 3.62 vs 4.36 league average. That means he got to 120 less balls than the average SS did this year. He can't make errors if he doesn't get to the ball.

And for the record, I like Jeter. But he should not have won the Gold Glove. I agree with the OP, its a joke.

Range Factor isn't a solid statistic to calculate what he does and doesn't get to though. (Putouts+Assists/Games played) It doesn't factor in anything but an average of what most players might be at. It bases it's calculations of chances to field a ball, but doesn't have anything to adjust for if a position player doesn't have as many ball hit in his vicinity in a season.

For example a third baseman with a pitching staff that is all righties might have less hits come to him in a season if the other team is trying to field the most left handed batters they can in their lineup.

I don't care for Derek Jeter one way or another. I think he is overpaid and hate the Yankees, but when it comes down to Gold Gloves, fielding percentage is one of the few statistics you can rely on. Everything else can be argued away.

[5kRunner]

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5k runner where did you get those stats from, id be interested in looking them up for both leagues. Jeter is good at getting ground balls hit right to him, but the going to his right and throwing isnt his strong point anymore. Saw him try it in the alcs and he just looked old.

Baseball Reference has them on the player pages under fielding.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/j/jeterde01.shtml

[5kRunner]

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Range Factor isn't a solid statistic to calculate what he does and doesn't get to though. (Putouts+Assists/Games played) It doesn't factor in anything but an average of what most players might be at. It bases it's calculations of chances to field a ball, but doesn't have anything to adjust for if a position player doesn't have as many ball hit in his vicinity in a season.

For example a third baseman with a pitching staff that is all righties might have less hits come to him in a season if the other team is trying to field the most left handed batters they can in their lineup.

I don't care for Derek Jeter one way or another. I think he is overpaid and hate the Yankees, but when it comes down to Gold Gloves, fielding percentage is one of the few statistics you can rely on. Everything else can be argued away.

We are talking about a SS, not a 3b. I wasn't dumb luck Alexei Ramirez got more chances than Jeter.

You can't rely on Fielding % alone. You have to look at it in context with range factor. Like I said before, you can't make an error if you can't get to the ball.

[lakeerie92]

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We are talking about a SS, not a 3b. I wasn't dumb luck Alexei Ramirez got more chances than Jeter.

You can't rely on Fielding % alone. You have to look at it in context with range factor. Like I said before, you can't make an error if you can't get to the ball.

I agree with you, I was more or less bored and was playing the devil's advocate and seeing if I could poke holes in the Range Factor statistic.

I mostly agree. Popularity and big market teams always play a big factor into the decision making on these awards.