PDA

View Full Version : This site's greatest victory



gingi79
11-10-2010, 09:03 PM
Sometimes we seem to concentrate on the sniping and negativity so I'd like to bring up a different type of topic.

In your opinion, what has been the greatest victory of this website?

What I am speaking of is which dissection of an item most enhanced the hobby? If I were a betting man, I'd bet it was one of the countless threads Robert dissected re: a helmet. Maybe it was an auction item we talked out or a jersey held in high regard that we showed to be questionable with facts. I think this tread could be a sticky if we gathered all of our successes into one place. Who knows? Perhaps we could have the beginnings of a GU handbook.

mariner_gamers
11-10-2010, 09:16 PM
It is the perfect spearhead for calling out bad product regardless of how large or small the dealer. This site simply cannot be ignored by anyone who is serious about dealing in the hobby. If you have a legit beef and cannot get satisfaction the mere discussion of the issue on this site can persuade the guilty party to make it right or lose a ton of future business.

both-teams-played-hard
11-10-2010, 10:19 PM
Easy answer. The uncovering of the UNC Ranzino Smith warm-up altered to a Michael Jordan. Auctioned by Mastro. Mastro did not accept funds from the high bidder, because of attention from this forum.

There is Only One Jordan

Auction jersey revealed as fraud


BY MICHAEL O'KEEFFE
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Sunday, August 19th 2007, 4:00 AM

It was a hell of a party, according to the press release issued by Mastro Auctions. About 300 sports collectible movers and shakers, many in town for the National Sports Collectors Convention, bid on 83 coveted pieces at Mastro's inaugural live auction, held Aug. 3 at the House of Blues in Cleveland.
A collection of rare T215 Pirate cigarette cards sold for $960,000, a record for a set of cards. Yankee manager Miller Huggins' 1927 World Series ring went for $204,000. One collector even spent $192,000 on a T206 Honus Wagner card in poor condition. But the event wasn't just about conspicuous consumption; Mastro Auctions also raised $20,000 for the Lance Armstrong Foundation.
"It's a terrific exclamation point to an already spectacular evening," Mastro Auctions president Doug Allen said in the press release.
The hangover from the event, however, just won't go away. One item, advertised as a Michael Jordan North Carolina warm-up shirt, sold for $11,000 even though questions had been raised about its authenticity well before the auction took place. Collectors cried foul on Game-Used Forum.com, a memorabilia Web site, and began investigating the shirt. Mastro Auctions voided the sale and sent the jersey back to the authentication service that raised the initial doubts for further review.
But the controversy over the "Jordan" shirt appears far from over: It has added new pressure to calls for greater regulation and standards for the dog-eat-dog world of sports memorabilia. The shirt has also attracted the interest of the FBI, which as the Daily News reported last month, has already begun an investigation into business practices at Mastro Auctions, sports memorabilia's largest auction house.
To prepare for the live auction, Mastro employees sent the shirt and other items to Memorabilia Evaluation and Research Services, one of the hobby's leading authentication services. MEARS examined the shirt on July 1, and concluded that while it appeared to be a North Carolina shooting shirt from the 1980s, it did not belong to Jordan.
When the shirt was placed over a light table, it was apparent that another name had been removed from the back and replaced with "JORDAN." The letters also seemed to be made of different materials than other patches on the piece, according to the MEARS work sheet.
"The Michael Jordan shirt we evaluated did not start its life as a Michael Jordan shirt," MEARS authenticator Troy Kinunen said.
MEARS' opinion was seconded by the University of North Carolina; officials there told the Daily News that Jordan still has his warm-up shirt.
Mastro Auctions, however, submitted the shirt to another authenticator, Lou Lampson; the auction catalogue said the shirt was accompanied by a letter of authenticity from Lampson but made no mention of MEARS' evaluation or opinion. In the days before the auction, Game-Used Forum members posted numerous comments about the conflicting opinions; one member said he E-mailed Mastro's Allen about the jersey but Allen did not respond. The shirt received seven bids and sold for $11,000, according to Mastro Auctions Web site.
"If Mastro did not inform the winning bidder of MEARS' findings, then, that is damn shady," one forum member wrote.
A week after the auction, another Game-Used Forum member said he had been contacted by an ACC basketball fan who said stains on the "Jordan" shirt looked remarkably similar to stains on a shirt he owned for several years. The ACC fan, a collector named Jim Reed, told the Daily News he had purchased the shirt from Ranzino Smith, who joined the Tar Heels in 1985, the year after Jordan left school and was drafted by the Chicago Bulls.
Reed said he sold the shirt to Eric Inselberg, a New Jersey dealer/collector, late last year, but he is convinced it is the same item Mastro sold this month. "This thing was in my display room for three years," Reed said. "I know my shirt."
Inselberg told the News he sold the shirt at a Westchester memorabilia show in January. Inselberg claimed he didn't know the buyer and since the buyer paid cash, he had no way to contact him.
Allen told the Daily News before the auction that he was not aware that MEARS had doubts about the jersey; he did not return calls last week. But in an e-mail to Kinunen that was posted on the Game-Used Forum, he said Inselberg was not the consigner. The shirt was one of the last items sent to MEARS and Allen blamed deadline pressures for the screw-up.
"I had gotten the message from my guys that you 'were not comfortable signing off on it' so I told them to go ahead and run it with the Lou Lampson letter since he was comfortable issuing an LOA on the shirt. Unfortunately we never received your 'letter' which explained the details of the name change and the reason you were not comfortable opining on the shirt. If I had known this I would have immediately pulled it from the auction," Allen wrote.
"The first time I had been informed about potential issues with the shirt was on August 2nd when a reporter inquired about the letter you issued. At the time I was not aware a letter detailing findings had been issued and I notified him of that fact. When I got back to the office after the National I was finally able to review your letter and review the concerns expressed on the Game-Used Forum."
But by the time Allen's E-mail had been posted on the Game-Used Forum, the FBI had already begun investigating the sale of the jersey. The bureau's Chicago office - whose "Operation Foul Ball" smashed a multistate autograph forgery ring in the '90s - has already interviewed an authentication-service executive and two collectors about the jersey, according to sources.
As the Daily News reported in July, Chicago-based investigators have already questioned Bill Brandt, the president of Development Specialists Inc., the company hired by the state of Ohio to liquidate coins and collectibles purchased with state money by Tom Noe, the Republican Party official convicted last year of stealing from a $50 million workers compensation fund and sentenced to 18 years in prison. Noe had purchased thousands of dollars worth of memorabilia from Mastro, Brandt and Ohio law-enforcement officials have said. The investigators have also questioned two hobby executives who asked not to be identified.
An FBI official said he could not confirm or deny an investigation is underway, but regardless of what happens, the incident has left a bad taste in some collectors' mouths.
"I saw this warm-up at the National and thought it was awesome," one collector wrote on the Game-Used Forum. "I was gonna have a friend bid on it for me ... thank goodness that I didn't."

legaleagle92481
11-10-2010, 10:41 PM
I know it was done by a banned member but the Larkin jersey discovery a few months ago was a great victory it saved a collector from having his prized possession be a fake and since he got his money back it had a happy ending.

AWA85
11-10-2010, 11:20 PM
I will second what legaleagle had to say.... but I may be a little bias on that one :D

allstarsplus
11-11-2010, 02:32 PM
Easy answer. The uncovering of the UNC Ranzino Smith warm-up altered to a Michael Jordan. Auctioned by Mastro. Mastro did not accept funds from the high bidder, because of attention from this forum.

There is Only One Jordan

Auction jersey revealed as fraud


Jim Reed hit it out of the park! That would rank as my #1. Steve Mears work on the Larkin and others definitely get an honorable mention. One of my other favorites was the work on the Brett Favre jerseys that were initially exposed on SCD.

5kRunner
11-11-2010, 02:52 PM
The Namath Super Bowl helmet has to be up there too.

karamaxjoe
11-11-2010, 03:08 PM
The Namath Super Bowl helmet has to be up there too.

I would also vote for the Namath SB helmet or possibly the Jim Brown jersey.

otismalibu
11-11-2010, 03:11 PM
The Namath Super Bowl helmet has to be up there too.

I'd probably vote for that too.

Basically, any well researched piece, regardless of whether the photographic findings results in supporting evidence or contradictory evidence.

The Namath helmet and Maravich jacket were interesting. And not just from the research (or lack thereof) aspect.

Jags Fan Dan
11-11-2010, 04:13 PM
The Namath Super Bowl helmet has to be up there too.
That's the first one that came to my mind as well.

jdr3
11-11-2010, 04:27 PM
Rudy and Warren were the brains in the Ranzino Smith revelation, I just supplied the pictures.