1969 spring trainig flannels

[sox83cubs84]

This thread will exhibit photos of slightly variant (from the regular season) 1969 MLB spring training jerseys.

The first post: 1969 Kansas City Royals.

The Tom Burgemeier photo, taken in spring training, shows a totally blank left sleeve...no 100th Annniversary patch (1969 regular season) and no Royals logo patch (beginning in 1970 season).

http://i.ebayimg.com/04/!CFJfon!CGk~$(KGrHqQOKk!E0dsW3VK4BNUK4r,)i!~~_12.J PG

More to follow...

Dave Miedema

[Capital-Sports]

I was just reading one of your game used articles in an old SCD earlier :D. A good site with nice scans of cards is checkoutmycards.com if you don't have all the cards on hand or scans.

[sox83cubs84]

Capital idea, Capital. If I can't find images on eBay, that'll be my second stop. Thanks.

Dave Miedema

[escaperoyals]

I can probably help as well. Surprisingly, I have all of the Topps Royals Cards from 1969-92. I also have all 41 Media guides (which don't show many pictures if at all) and yearbooks from '69-'80. I have 2 editions of yearbooks from 69 the 1st shows spring training photos mostly with NOpatches on the left sleeve. The later edition shows someaction photos fromearly in the season with the 100 year patch.
I will try and post some pictures sometime soon if anyone is interested.
Dan

[sox83cubs84]

The more the merrier, Dan. Keep in mind, though, that this won't just be a Royals thread...the other three 1969 expansion teams will also be featured, as well as at least one estblished ballclub as well.

Dave Miedema

[sox83cubs84]

http://i.ebayimg.com/04/!CClw7hQ!Wk~$(KGrHqIOKpkE0U)v,ny0BNLnQBvg5g~~_12.J PG

From 1969ST, a Rawlings home Expos flannel...again, no 100th Anniversary patch. The road blue Wilsons were the same way.

Dave Miedema

[sox83cubs84]

The San Diego Padres also had differences in 1969 spring vis-a-vis regular season jerseys. Preston Gomez is shown in a 1969 spring training photo, with a Padres front road jersey and no sleeve patch on the jersey.


http://i18.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/98/a3/bae8_1_b.JPG

Come the regular season, however, and the road gamers showed a SAN DIEGO front, while both home and road versions had the San Diego Bicentennial patch (and no MLB 100th Anniversary patch).


http://i.ebayimg.com/04/!B)KLL+QBGk~$(KGrHqR,!hYEv1+0Ei-JBMMQeEG4ew~~_12.JPG

I had no luck finding pics of either home uniform, but the basic description given covers those, as well.

Dave Miedema

[sox83cubs84]

Of course, there are the 1969 Seattle Pilots spring training flannels.
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqV,!jUE1JBDr)kcBNg!kfM76g~~_12.JPG

While vastly different in design from their regular season styles, the home and road spring shirts have only one difference between home and road versions, that being the jersey color...white for home and grey for road. Wilson made both, both lack tagging aside from the Wilson label, both use the same front design (see above), both have identical numbers on the back, and both use single-color blue letters and numbers on front and back.

My next entry on this thread will involve a unique version worn by a non-expansion team in the Arizona sun.

Dave Miedema

[sox83cubs84]

One American League team (Cleveland) wore the 1969 MLB 100th Anniversary patch on their spring training jerseys. Showing this is the card below, a last series (back in the days of 7 series) 1969 Topps card of pitcher Jack Hamilton, acquired in the offseason from the Angels.


http://i.ebayimg.com/21/!CBRibZwBmk~$(KGrHqUOKpIE0VM4LTqYBNG7qdoVl!~~_3.JP G

I am aware of one other 1969 spring item with the 100th Anniversary patch being worn in spring training...that will be the next (and likely final) installment of this thread.

Dave Miedema

[dbushing1]

Dave, great study of expansion spring training vs reg. season shirts using baseball card images. I used this to try and show the different styles of White Sox hats from 1951-63. It is a perfect tool when patches from a single season are used but I would caution to watch out for baseball card pictures that have been used for more than one season. Not so in your study, just a caution in that they sometimes recycled pics for more than one season. Dave

[sox83cubs84]

Dave, great study of expansion spring training vs reg. season shirts using baseball card images. I used this to try and show the different styles of White Sox hats from 1951-63. It is a perfect tool when patches from a single season are used but I would caution to watch out for baseball card pictures that have been used for more than one season. Not so in your study, just a caution in that they sometimes recycled pics for more than one season. Dave

True, MAWGA. For the 1969 set, old/recycled photos are VERY common from series 1-4. Tommie Aaron's 1969 card has the exact same photo as his 1963 Topps card, and Mel Nelson's card has an early 1960's photo, as well. These multiple years-old photos are far less prevelant in Series 5-7 (where Topps began using spring training 1969 photos as well as phots of players on the four expansion teams in their new uniforms.

Dave Miedema

[flaco1801]

Dave...arent those 69 spring flannels all really 68 gamers?. they would open the season with new jerseys for the 69 season with patch.... just my thoughts...

[dbushing1]

The Pilots, Padres and Expos did not have a team in 1968. I have owned both the Pilots and Padres 1969 Spring Training shirts. They were made and worn in the spring. They got different shirts for the regular 1969 season. Pilots spring training shirts are fairly common and sell in the $1000 range while regular season examples sell between $12-20000. Padres spring jerseys sell in the $400 range while regular season examples with the sleeve patch sell in the $1000 plus range. Dave M was right on the money with these pics.

[sox83cubs84]

The Pilots, Padres and Expos did not have a team in 1968. I have owned both the Pilots and Padres 1969 Spring Training shirts. They were made and worn in the spring. They got different shirts for the regular 1969 season. Pilots spring training shirts are fairly common and sell in the $1000 range while regular season examples sell between $12-20000. Padres spring jerseys sell in the $400 range while regular season examples with the sleeve patch sell in the $1000 plus range. Dave M was right on the money with these pics.

Those three plus the Royals. As far as the Indians flannels go, Flaco might be right...I'd have to see one hands on to say year or nay.

Dave Miedema

[dirtyla2000]

http://i.ebayimg.com/04/!CClw7hQ!Wk~$(KGrHqIOKpkE0U)v,ny0BNLnQBvg5g~~_12.J PG

From 1969ST, a Rawlings home Expos flannel...again, no 100th Anniversary patch. The road blue Wilsons were the same way.

Dave Miedema

I believe this to be a 1969 Ron Brand spring training jersey and as you can see, it is not the usual road blue flannel. Any opinions would be welcomed.

[dbushing1]

Absence of patch, gray, no team in 1968. I would agree. Year books usually came out in spring and usually got updated later in season so first yearbook should show some examples. Dave, great example to search for in early Topps cards of 1970. Look to see there is no signs where a 69 patch may have been removed.

[dirtyla2000]

Absence of patch, gray, no team in 1968. I would agree. Year books usually came out in spring and usually got updated later in season so first yearbook should show some examples. Dave, great example to search for in early Topps cards of 1970. Look to see there is no signs where a 69 patch may have been removed.

Thankyou for the feedback! No signs of a patch ever being there! LOOKED AT 69 Expos yearbook and cant tell if the pics of road unis(only 2,the rest are home whites) are grey or the light blue. The black and white photos make it impossible! Iwould love to know for sure!

[dirtyla2000]

The Pilots, Padres and Expos did not have a team in 1968. I have owned both the Pilots and Padres 1969 Spring Training shirts. They were made and worn in the spring. They got different shirts for the regular 1969 season. Pilots spring training shirts are fairly common and sell in the $1000 range while regular season examples sell between $12-20000. Padres spring jerseys sell in the $400 range while regular season examples with the sleeve patch sell in the $1000 plus range. Dave M was right on the money with these pics.

One more question. Were the Pilots and Padres 69 spring training jerseys made by Wilson? The 69 expos with the 100 anniversary patch were made by Rawlings!

[sox83cubs84]

One more question. Were the Pilots and Padres 69 spring training jerseys made by Wilson? The 69 expos with the 100 anniversary patch were made by Rawlings!

The Pilots spring unies, home and road, were Wilson productions. Like your beloved Expos, the Padres wore Rawlings for home, and Wilson for the road, which carried over into the regular season, at least in terms of suppliers used.

Dave Miedema

[dirtyla2000]

The Pilots spring unies, home and road, were Wilson productions. Like your beloved Expos, the Padres wore Rawlings for home, and Wilson for the road, which carried over into the regular season, at least in terms of suppliers used.

Dave Miedema

So I guess this must be a 69 Expos spring training jersey!:) :) :) :) Thankyou for the info!

[sox83cubs84]

2000, I think you're on to something here. Brand is of the dimensions, height and weight wise, that would reasonably be accommodated in that era by a size 40, and the lack of year tagging (which also existed in both Pilots spring styles) is a possible sign as well. I'm looking to check some more photos, and will post when I do. The only possible sticking point is the lack of a front number, as the home whites (such as in the Jaster card) have one.

Dave Miedema

[sox83cubs84]

It looks as if there might have been other established teams than the Indians also wearing the 1969 MLB 100th Anniversary patch in '69 spring training. Check out the 1970 Topps card of Grant Jackson below:


http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqUOKkUE3V,GknS3BN+qpoeZo!~~_12.JPG

The background certainly appears to be a spring training site, and this card was in the first series of the set that year, meaning that there is no way the photo could be a 1970 spring camp image. Any input pro or con would be appreciated.

Dave Miedema

[bobw]

I think the Grant Jackson photo was taken in Shea Stadium

[sox83cubs84]

This background is pretty cloudy. I've seen Shea's outfield background on other cards...if this is, indeed, it, it's hard for me to tell.

I guess I'll try to access some more 1969 photo of Phils players and see if I can find more evidence, or a lack thereof.

Dave Miedema

[bobw]

Found 3 photos of 1969 Phillies uniforms with the 100th Anniversary patch.

The first one is of Terry Harmon. This looks like Spring Training.


http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o186/bobw_photos/Sports%20Collectibles/HarmonTerry1.jpg

The second two are of John Penn and Bob Boone. However both players played 1969 with the Raleigh-Durham Phillies in the Carolina League, so I'm not sure whether the photos were taken during Spring Training or during the regular season.
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o186/bobw_photos/Sports%20Collectibles/PennJohn11969.jpghttp://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o186/bobw_photos/Sports%20Collectibles/BooneBob11969.jpg

[sox83cubs84]

Nice work. I'm still looking for a chance to do my own research, but it looks like you may have answered my question already. Thanks, Bob.

Dave Miedema

[bobw]

Here are some photos of the 1969 Astros in Spring Training w/ the patch

Scipio Spinks and Bob Watson

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o186/bobw_photos/Sports%20Collectibles/SpinksScipio21969.jpghttp://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o186/bobw_photos/Sports%20Collectibles/WatsonBob21969.jpg

Cesar Geronimo and Jack Billingham

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o186/bobw_photos/Sports%20Collectibles/GeronimoCesar1.jpghttp://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o186/bobw_photos/Sports%20Collectibles/BillinghamJack11969.jpg

[sox83cubs84]

Bob, you're finding some choice photos there...many thanks. Does anyone else (or Bob) have more '69 spring traing photos with the patch visible on jerseys? I'd love to see 'em.

Dave Miedema

[ironmanfan]

Found 3 photos of 1969 Phillies uniforms with the 100th Anniversary patch.

The first one is of Terry Harmon. This looks like Spring Training.


http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o186/bobw_photos/Sports%20Collectibles/HarmonTerry1.jpg

The second two are of John Penn and Bob Boone. However both players played 1969 with the Raleigh-Durham Phillies in the Carolina League, so I'm not sure whether the photos were taken during Spring Training or during the regular season.
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o186/bobw_photos/Sports%20Collectibles/PennJohn11969.jpghttp://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o186/bobw_photos/Sports%20Collectibles/BooneBob11969.jpg

Good work although I'm curious what makes you think these photos are from the spring of 1969 as opposed to the spring of 1970? Are they dated or were these players in different organizations then?

[bobw]

You may be right about wearing them in Spring Training in 1970. Here are 2 picture of Joe Sparma in an Expos jersey with the Anniversary Patch. He was traded to the Expos in December of 1969 so these pictures must be from 1970.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o186/bobw_photos/Sports%20Collectibles/SparmaJoe2.jpghttp://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o186/bobw_photos/Sports%20Collectibles/SparmaJoe1.jpg

[sox83cubs84]

I did find some 1970 Topps cards with probable 1970 spring pics, and none of them showed the patch. The pictures are in the later series, and, in that era, 7 series were issued, starting with the 1st in March and going through August or so when Series 7 hit the stores. Chances are good that these are photos from March 1970, given the dates the later series were available to collectors of the era. I'll post pictures when I get a chance.

Dave Miedema

[sox83cubs84]

Add the Detroit Tigers to the list of MLB teams that wore the 100th Anniversary patch in 1969 spring training, based on the photo below:


http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Vintage-Detroit-Tigers-American-League-Baseball-Players-Signed-Photos-/00/$(KGrHqEOKiEE5ZL73QyWBOhR(RvRl!~~_12.JPG

Face only pitched in two regular season games for Detroit in 1968, and his stats show his entire 1969 regular season work being for the expansion Expos. I'm not sure where/when else this photo could be from.

Dave Miedema

[ironmanfan]

FWIW, Face was released by the Tigers on 04/03/69

[sox83cubs84]

FWIW, Face was released by the Tigers on 04/03/69

Thanks....that pretty much cinches it.

Dave M.