Some Good Info For Autograph Collectors

[sammy]

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http://www.autographalert.com/news.html (http://www.autographalert.com/news.html)

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[spartanservitto]

I love the explanation on the clearly authentic Woods flag... hilarious.

-Tony

[trsent]

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http://www.autographalert.com/news.html (http://www.autographalert.com/news.html)

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The best discussion about this site:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_f...ad.php?t=18147 (http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=18147)

Funny, Autograph Alert picks on 3rd party authenticators, but they have their own 3rd party authentication company:

http://paasaa.com/

http://www.paasautographs.com/

Or find them on eBay:

http://shop.ebay.com/pro-authenticat...5. m570.l1313 (http://shop.ebay.com/pro-authentication/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25&_trksid=p285.m570.l1313)

So, they rip 3rd party authenticators on one web site, and then offer to authenticate themselves - Another 3rd party authenticator! They don't sign their articles, which is really unprofessional, and then they attack situation after situation, forgetting that many 3rd party authenticators are correct 99.9% of the time, but they love to have a field day with the .1% each and every time.

Then again, there are a few 3rd party autograph authenticators that are maybe correct 50% of the time. There is a bad standard as there is only one or two good 3rd party authenticators in the industry and the rest are all pretenders.

As for the current article, I'd be very surprised if there is everything legitimate with JSA really declining to authenticate Upper Deck Authenticated certified autographs. I'd love to see a reasons from JSA, because they are not that stupid and I have a hunch those letters are not original.

Since no author signs their work on that web site, I take everything they say with a grain of salt and anyone reading it should also.

[trsent]

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http://www.autographalert.com/news.html (http://www.autographalert.com/news.html)

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Interesting reading about Autograph Alert and their webmasters:

http://autographalerttruth.com/enter.html

http://www.voiceofthecollector.com/2...ow-source.html (http://www.voiceofthecollector.com/2009/03/know-source.html)

http://www.ripoffreport.com/bad-chec...udmo-ed8ea.htm

[ironmanfan]

what is interesting to me is that if you take note, the majority of these examples took place in 2009 and sooner....why are they finally coming to light in 2011?

[vonbrandingo]

Even if the article doesn't have a name at the end, there looks to be some pretty convincing evidence of unproffesionalism by JSA. The JSA letters look pretty real to me, and why are they putting C Morales in the item type section?

I've been thinking about sending some auto'd cards to jsa for authentication because they will grade both the auto and card and the Beckett holder is much nicer and protects better, but now I'm reconsidering it and may just send them to PSA/DNA instead. Too bad psa doesn't grade the card and auto, just one or the other. Wonder when they're gonna catch on.

[vonbrandingo]

Just read some of their other articles too, maybe I should avoid psa dna too! ;). One thing's for sure, I'm definately not sending anything in to PAAS or whatever they're called. I agree, taking it with a grain of salt is probably a good idea.

[CollectGU]

Taking into account that this is a competing authenticator, it is still unbelievable that they would dismiss these pieces especially the UDA and their own witnessed in person signatues like the Frazier trunks! I'd be interested to hear their explanation...

Dave

[trsent]

Taking into account that this is a competing authenticator, it is still unbelievable that they would dismiss these pieces especially the UDA and their own witnessed in person signatues like the Frazier trunks! I'd be interested to hear their explanation...

Dave

Part of the problem is that no one has asked JSA about the accusations. We know they won't respond to Autograph Alert directly.

Someone could easily alter their letters, and I'm telling you, I am not friendly with James Spence, but I know he is not a dummy. I find it hard to believe they would ever write a letter questioning an item certified by Upper Deck Authenticated.

I have no clue if someone altered these letters (photo-shop) to make them work with these items, but JSA isn't stupid enough to fail UDA items, right?

[trsent]

Even if the article doesn't have a name at the end, there looks to be some pretty convincing evidence of unproffesionalism by JSA. The JSA letters look pretty real to me, and why are they putting C Morales in the item type section?

I've been thinking about sending some auto'd cards to jsa for authentication because they will grade both the auto and card and the Beckett holder is much nicer and protects better, but now I'm reconsidering it and may just send them to PSA/DNA instead. Too bad psa doesn't grade the card and auto, just one or the other. Wonder when they're gonna catch on.

What kind of cards are you having certified? Cards you had autographed in person or cards pulled from packs autographed?

[spartanservitto]

What kind of cards are you having certified? Cards you had autographed in person or cards pulled from packs autographed?

The more I read that site, it seems to be a propaganda tool to drive up their own business. They get out of hand on some of the items, they describe a yankee ball as being no good, when it clearly is legit from the 1996-1997 era... Ill take it with a grain of salt.

-Tony

[vonbrandingo]

What kind of cards are you having certified? Cards you had autographed in person or cards pulled from packs autographed?

Pre-90's rookie cards I got signed in person and through mail-order. These are the only cards I collect, in fact I am looking to sell my entire collection of everything else.

I believe psa dna will outlast the jsa/bgs partnership, so I would rather get my cards certified by psa dna, but some of my cards would receive high grades as would the autos on them, so it's unfortunate that psa dna doesn't offer that service.

[otismalibu]

but some of my cards would receive high grades as would the autos on them, so it's unfortunate that psa dna doesn't offer that service.

Didn't PSA previously offer that service, where they would grade the card & auto?

[vonbrandingo]

Didn't PSA previously offer that service, where they would grade the card & auto?

I'm not sure if they previously did, but I called them to find out if they do that now and the response was no, they only grade either the auto or card. The rep didn't have a reason, and it seemed like she thought there would be no good reason for not being able to grade both.

On another note, I believe autograph alert took the uda stickers off the items, so jsa didn't know they were uda. Jsa would never say they failed the items because they were authenticated by morales. Instead, they would simply say the autographs examined didn't match known exemplars for the reasons listed on the rejection letters. If anything in the article is true, it's a pathetic situation.

[otismalibu]

I'm not sure if they previously did, but I called them to find out if they do that now and the response was no, they only grade either the auto or card. The rep didn't have a reason, and it seemed like she thought there would be no good reason for not being able to grade both.

I'm pretty sure they did, but have no idea when they stopped. I'd contemplated sending a few of my mintier signed cards, many years ago, but never did.

Isn't this a graded auto card?

http://caimages.collectors.com/psaimages/113/15766874/81%20OPC%20209%20Auto.jpg

[vonbrandingo]

Yes, the condition of the card is graded an 8, but the autograph is not graded. If the auto were graded, it would say "auto grade only" but since it doesn't say that, the grade is for the condition of the card itself.

If the card and auto were both graded, there would be two separate grades, like the jsa/bgs holders have for their auto and card grading service. I've never seen an auto card certified by psa dna with two separate grades for the auto and card condition.

[otismalibu]

I've never seen an auto card certified by psa dna with two separate grades for the auto and card condition.

Yeah, I've never seen two grades either. I was just referring to the above type of card where the auto passed and the card was graded too. Do you know if they still do that?

Grading an auto is pretty subjective.

[trsent]

I don't know why you would need an autograph grade for an in-person autograph, but that is just my opinion only.

[otismalibu]

I don't know why you would need an autograph grade for an in-person autograph, but that is just my opinion only.

Like anything (car, card, coin) a higher grade will most likely lead to a higher selling price.

[vonbrandingo]

Indeed, especially on older sigs a high grade will fetch much more.

Greg, yes they are still doing the service your gretzky got. However, I believe all signed cards go through psa dna even if you just want the card graded and not the auto authentication because you got it in person. I think if someone sends a signed card to psa it will automatically go through psa dna and if the auto is deemed not authentic, they won't slab it even if all you wanted was the card to be graded.

Makes sense to do it that way, otherwise it would cause confusion among collectors who see the card slabbed and automatically think the auto is genuine.

[trsent]

Indeed, especially on older sigs a high grade will fetch much more.

Greg, yes they are still doing the service your gretzky got. However, I believe all signed cards go through psa dna even if you just want the card graded and not the auto authentication because you got it in person. I think if someone sends a signed card to psa it will automatically go through psa dna and if the auto is deemed not authentic, they won't slab it even if all you wanted was the card to be graded.

Makes sense to do it that way, otherwise it would cause confusion among collectors who see the card slabbed and automatically think the auto is genuine.

I'm pretty sure they wouldn't grade an autograph unless the found it authentic.

[vonbrandingo]

I'm pretty sure they wouldn't grade an autograph unless the found it authentic.

I agree, but that's not what I was saying. This info is better suited for another thread.

[legaleagle92481]

Wasn't Koschal's company the one spamming the autograph board last summer trying to drum up business? All of these guys are a joke. They are just offering opinions.