Is this a baseball pennant?

[slidekellyslide]

Sewn on letters and the right colors for the Orioles, but I am almost certain that this predates the Major League Orioles. Did the minor league Orioles have the same team colors?

http://img283.imageshack.us/img283/2249/pennants001smallel5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[staindsox]

I'm guessing that pennant was produced in the past 20-30 years...you can tell by the lettering. It may be an Orioles pennant, but it certainly does not predate the Orioles, who have been sporting black and orange for over 100 years.

Chris

[slidekellyslide]

This pennant is older than 30 years old, and for the record I said I believed it was older than the MAJOR LEAGUE ORIOLES team which didn't become a ML team until 1954. I personally have never seen a sewn on letter pennant from the 1970s-present. I'm not even sure I've seen one from the 1960s.

http://img319.imageshack.us/img319/6440/pennants009smalldt6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[vintagesportscollector]

Hi Dan- I would guess this pennant is from the 1950s. I have seen many pennants from the 1950s or more recent with sewn on letters. They tend to be higher quality,higher cost, made for limited distribution - not like the mass produced screen printed pennants. Yours may have been home made or created for a specific purpose/venue. Just my opinion, but I don't believe it pre-dates the 50's. Nice pennant!!

-Joe

[slidekellyslide]

I suppose it could be 1950s, but I still suspect it's older than that because I found it with three other pennants that are certainly older than 1950s. Two of which come from the Baltimore area which leads me to think that they were purchased by someone on a vacation to the area. The Mt Vernon pennant has sewn on letters and a sewn on design. The Annapolis one is printed.

http://img415.imageshack.us/img415/8626/pennants005smallxn4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/4479/pennants008smallam8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[vintagesportscollector]

What makes you think these two are older than the 1950s? I am certainly no pennant expert, but both of these look more recent than that based on the pictures. The Annapolis one looks like it could be 1970s. I wouldn't believe either of these are pre 1950....IMO :).

In the 70s my family and I took a cross country trip for an entire month one Summer. I was big into banners/pennants and collected one from every city, monument, park and tourist trap we stopped at. These look just like many I picked up during the trip.

[slidekellyslide]

Well the Mt Vernon pennant is all sewn on letters and sewn on design. I doubt Mt Vernon was selling pennants of that high quality in the 1970s. The Naval academy may have, but the look and feel are definitely much the same as some of my baseball pennants of which I know the definite ages of. I'm still not sure I've seen pennants on real felt from the 1970s -present. They are on that stiff material. And you may not be able to tell from the photos, but they have lots of tiny moth holes in all of them. Joe, I know if you had these in your hands you would agree with me on the age. Here's the 4th pennant that came in the lot:

http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/9218/pennants002smalltz3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[vintagesportscollector]

Could be Dan. But many (if not most) penannts from the 1950s were created on soft felt and many also had sewn on lettering, so I don't think one could say for certain these 3 are older than the 1950s. Considering Baltimore became a MLB team in 1954 it would be most logical to assume 1950s. The style and construction are vintage 1950s. Could possibly be 30s or 40s vintage but that seems more like wishful thinking. But...like I said...not an expert...just my logical guess. ;)

[mjkm90]

I don't think it's baseball related. Although, if I were an Oriole collector I would want it because the look. Almost all team pennants that don't have the name of the team will have a baseball graphic of some sort. Age on pennants is a bugger at times. It doesn't look pre 1950 to me however based on the look of the felt. Older pennants usually have puckering of the felt and fading even if kept out of the sun.

[flaco1801]

speaking of pennants how do you clean them? thanks, jeff

[b.heagy]

speaking of pennants how do you clean them? thanks, jeff

I used this trick a couple of times wth some great early pennants from the 1915 era. Cold water and Woolite. Let it soak in the tub for awhile and it pulls the dirt and grime out nicely. Then you have to let in sit in plain cold water for awhile (couple of times) to get the soap out. Then carefully hang it to dry and you will be happy with the results. I would be careful with certain pennants as the color may run. All depends on the pennant. Worked for me.

[slidekellyslide]

I could certainly go with 1950s on the Baltimore pennant. I could even go with not Baltimore Orioles related. I paid $8 for all 4.

[b.heagy]

I could certainly go with 1950s on the Baltimore pennant. I could even go with not Baltimore Orioles related. I paid $8 for all 4.


Thats a steal ! I personally would display it with my memorabilia. Has the right colors and has a great look. Any Orioles fan would love to have that piece in their collection in my opinion.

[slidekellyslide]

Yeah, I knew I was getting a good deal...they were in a downtown antique mall and one of my arch-nemisis (estate auction competition) was working. The pennants were not priced and I asked him how much for the Baltimore, so he took them to the lady who either runs or owns the place and she said $4 so I said how much for the others and she said all of them for $8. My arch-nemisis told her she was giving them to me for too cheap. She sold them to me anyway. :) This is the second time I've one upped my competition while he was working the counter. The last time was some unpriced baseball photos at a completely different antique shop.

[bat_master]

Hi Everyone,

I'm going to try to not hijack the thread, but I was just wondering if anyone has any last minute suggestions for antique malls or other baseball shops in either Iowa, Nebraska, Colorado, or Kansas before I leave next Saturday for Colorado. I'm more of a bat guy, but I could always use some nice baseballs display items like the pennant that was found very inexpensively.

I'm planning on hitting the large antique malls in Omaha and Lincoln, but if anyone has any other suggestions I'd be open to hearing them.

Email me at t_byington@yahoo.com. Thank you to those that gave me suggestions. I'm planning on checking those out as well.

Tim Byington

[cordovacollector]

http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/9218/pennants002smalltz3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Now this pennant is a beauty!!!! :cool:

[cordovacollector]

Hi Everyone,

I'm going to try to not hijack the thread, but I was just wondering if anyone has any last minute suggestions for antique malls or other baseball shops in either Iowa, Nebraska, Colorado, or Kansas before I leave next Saturday for Colorado. I'm more of a bat guy, but I could always use some nice baseballs display items like the pennant that was found very inexpensively.

I'm planning on hitting the large antique malls in Omaha and Lincoln, but if anyone has any other suggestions I'd be open to hearing them.

Email me at t_byington@yahoo.com. Thank you to those that gave me suggestions. I'm planning on checking those out as well.

Tim Byington

Is Walnut, IA, on your way? Stay overnight and spend a day in the shop there.

[cordovacollector]

----I meant "spend a day in the shopS there."

[cordovacollector]

http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/9218/pennants002smalltz3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Now this pennant is a beauty!!!! :cool: Put me on the list if you ever choose to sell it! Thanks!

[suave1477]

I don't think it's baseball related. Although, if I were an Oriole collector I would want it because the look. Almost all team pennants that don't have the name of the team will have a baseball graphic of some sort. Age on pennants is a bugger at times. It doesn't look pre 1950 to me however based on the look of the felt. Older pennants usually have puckering of the felt and fading even if kept out of the sun.


I agree they look more like Pennants with just city names on them. These seem that, they were tourist souveniers. Seems like as you said someone who visited different areas picked these up as souveniers.

[suave1477]

HERE YOU GO I FOUND SOMEONE SELLING A THESE ON EBAY IN A LOT OF 4 FOR $5

THEY SEEM TO BE CITY PENNANTS

http://cgi.ebay.com/4-Vintage-Cloth-Pennants-Mt-Vernon-Washington-D-C-etc_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ65Q3a12Q7c66Q3a2Q7 c39Q3a1Q7c72Q3a1205Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3 a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem 29fef22b26QQitemZ180370942758QQptZLHQ5fDefaultDoma inQ5f0QQsalenotsupported

[vivian]

checking it now http://www.pppcm.com/138l1292.jpg