Why Did this Schmidt jersey go so cheap

[LHG39]

http://cgi.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=290026503804&ih=019&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT#la-image-5

This is from the Geppi's auction. I know it does not say Game worn, but it appears to be at least team issued, it is autographed by Schmidt and it went for the same price as a Mitchell & Ness. Any thoughts on why?

[sportscentury]

Re: Why Did this Schmidt jersey go so cheap

Howard is the man when it comes to Phillies....and he could probably best list all of the differences between this jersey and a 77 Schmidt game jersey. But I will say that this jersey isn't close ... I don't even know where to start. The numbering is wrong, the lettering is wrong, the tagging is wrong, etc. I just picked up a superb Steve Carlton 1977 game worn road jersey ... and it couldn't be more different from this Schmidt jersey with the 77 tag.

Reid

[ironmanfan]

Re: Why Did this Schmidt jersey go so cheap

What a piece of garbage!!

[sportscentury]

Re: Why Did this Schmidt jersey go so cheap

What a piece of garbage!!

Bill:

Apparently, you are more succinct than I am. Yes, I agree. It's a great $30 shirt to wear to Citizens Bank Ballpark.

Reid

[hblakewolf]

Re: Why Did this Schmidt jersey go so cheap

Reid summed it up best. Nothing about this is correct:
*Wrong # style
*NOB is a total hand-cut mess
*Tagging is wrong

What's interesting is that Geppi never described the jersey as "game worn", just noted in the description that is shows a little wear (I guess indicating that the previous owner may have worn it out to the curb to take the recycling out). Even the $300. is about $299. too much for this!

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[LHG39]

Re: Why Did this Schmidt jersey go so cheap

Thanks guys. I actually bid on this, never thinking I would win; more trying out the Live Auction for a couple of things I wanted today.

I emailed Geppi's asking them about this. While they did not say it was game used, I think their description is misleading at best. How can a "major" auction house sell something like this with such a misleading description. Should it not be safe for a bidder to at least be able to assume that if a jersey is being sold by a reputable auction house and has year tagging and player name in the neck that the jersey is at least team issued unless it is described as otherwise?

[LHG39]

Re: Why Did this Schmidt jersey go so cheap

This is Geppi's response:

From: "Al Croce" <cal@gmrs.com>
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The jersey was NOT authenticated. It was, in fact, a store bought jersey and signed by Schmidt. The signature was authenticated. We NEVER said the jersey was authentic.

What a bunch of bunk. If they KNEW it was store bought, shouldn't the item description have said that, instead of going into the detail of describing the "77 2" tag and "Schmidt" chain stitching in the neck? I feel that they have grossly misrepresented this item.

Any advice from anyone?

[hblakewolf]

Re: Why Did this Schmidt jersey go so cheap

I'd like to know what store sold Phillies jerseys with year tags and names embroidered in the collar. Gold Medal in Philadelphia sold replicas, however, not with this type of tags. Ask them this specific question.

They were extremely careful in the way the described the jersey, even the fact that is shows "wear". I agree, one could easily assume it was a gamer, however, then again we can never assume in this hobby.

Have you already paid for it? If not, this may be your only way out.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[LHG39]

Re: Why Did this Schmidt jersey go so cheap

I have not yet paid, which is why I am asking for advice. I do not think I should have to pay, given their misleading description. I did write them back asking specific questions, namely, if they knew it was a store bought jersey and are telling me this now, why did they not say so in the item description. I also pointed out, as you mention, that store bought jerseys do not typically have year/set tags or player names embroidered in the neck.

I do not want to get into trouble with ebay either, though. I have aperfect feedback score until now.

I'd like to know what store sold Phillies jerseys with year tags and names embroidered in the collar. Gold Medal in Philadelphia sold replicas, however, not with this type of tags. Ask them this specific question.

They were extremely careful in the way the described the jersey, even the fact that is shows "wear". I agree, one could easily assume it was a gamer, however, then again we can never assume in this hobby.

Have you already paid for it? If not, this may be your only way out.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[skipcareyisfat]

Re: Why Did this Schmidt jersey go so cheap

It might've been better to bring up these questions before the auction ended. You can at least retract your bid. At any rate, I'd much rather receive nagative feedback than pay $300 for something that isn't even worth $30. I say shame on them for using a misleading description.

[kingjammy24]

Re: Why Did this Schmidt jersey go so cheap

worst case scenario, i'd rather deal with 1 negative or simply getting a new ebay account than pay $300 for a store jersey.

rudy.

[LHG39]

Re: Why Did this Schmidt jersey go so cheap

I am negotiating with them via email. I have simply asked why they did not state that this was a store bought jesey and all they are verifying is the signature.

He offered that info very readily when I raised the issue now. What was that info not in the item description?

[hblakewolf]

Re: Why Did this Schmidt jersey go so cheap

...or better yet, pay for it and send it to Lou Lampson for a LOA. Who knows-your $300. may quickly turn into $3,000!

Just a wild idea!

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[LHG39]

Re: Why Did this Schmidt jersey go so cheap

Sure, tease me why don't ya!

They now admit in an email that the jersey is store bought! Why didn't they state that in the item description?! Yet they still maintain that the item description is accurate and want to know why I feel it was misleading.

...or better yet, pay for it and send it to Lou Lampson for a LOA. Who knows-your $300. may quickly turn into $3,000!

Just a wild idea!

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[otismalibu]

Re: Why Did this Schmidt jersey go so cheap

Last year, an eBay seller (who used to post here) listed a retail Philly hoops jersey which also had a year tag added. It wasn't signed, but IIRC the description stated it was "game issued"...which it was not. The seller was informed of this during the auction, but made no changes to the description. It too sold for around $300.