Seeking opinions on a GU Ripken 1997 Black Alternate Jersey

[atsfuji]

Hello,

I was hoping to get some expert opinions on a 1997 Ripken alternate jersey. I am seeking to obtain this jersey via trade and just wanted to get some third party help before pulling the trigger. I have attached some pictures that were sent to me along with a LoO from Grey Flannel.

I searched Getty and Corbis for images to compare script and such but to no avail. Any help will be much appreciated.

Thank you,

[kingjammy24]

Re: Seeking opinions on a GU Ripken 1997 Black Alternate Jersey

1997:



the "s" is different. i don't know enough about orioles script to know when the "s" changed from one style to another.

rudy.

[atsfuji]

Re: Seeking opinions on a GU Ripken 1997 Black Alternate Jersey

Rudy,

Thank you for compiling all those images.

Best,


Rick

[kingjammy24]

Re: Seeking opinions on a GU Ripken 1997 Black Alternate Jersey

the first "O" is also different. i'm sure mark sutton knows what all this means.

rudy.

[bigtime59]

Re: Seeking opinions on a GU Ripken 1997 Black Alternate Jersey

Bogus. 1999-pattern script on a "1997" jersey. Put front piping on it, take the patches off and replace them with the cartoon bird swinging a bat, and you have the alternate jersey the Orioles SHOULD be wearing, but, alas, are not.
One of these days, I'd love to be able to say something doesn't look fake to me. Oh, well...

Mark Sutton
bigtime39@aol.com

[bigtime59]

Re: Seeking opinions on a GU Ripken 1997 Black Alternate Jersey

For a second there, I was wondering why anyone would strip the patch off a 1999 black and replace it with the 1997 patch set, but then I remembered that the 1999 blacks had their birds pulled for the 2000 make-'em-up-on-the-fly alternate the O's wore once before being slapped down by MLB. I NEED one of those 1999 birds really badly, to restore a G/U BJ Ryan jersey. Sigh...
Mark

[atsfuji]

Re: Seeking opinions on a GU Ripken 1997 Black Alternate Jersey

Mark,

Thank you for looking.

The images of the 97 alternates that Rudy compiled does not show a cartoon bird swinging a bat. Were there different alt styles in 97?

Also, I am being told that the jersey was bought from GF in August, 1999. (Which coincides with the script discrepancy...)

Just curious.

[hblakewolf]

Re: Seeking opinions on a GU Ripken 1997 Black Alternate Jersey

I have a legit 1997 alternate black Ripken with pants that I have posted on the Forum before. If you search under the old posts, you will find photos and details. If you can't find it and would like photos, please email me at the address below.

Are you sure Grey Flannel wrote a LOA on this? Can you provide a shot of it here?

Mark, thanks for once again providing your expertise and insight on O's equipment. You are the best!

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[bigtime59]

Re: Seeking opinions on a GU Ripken 1997 Black Alternate Jersey

Mark,

Thank you for looking.

The images of the 97 alternates that Rudy compiled does not show a cartoon bird swinging a bat. Were there different alt styles in 97? .

No, I was getting up on my soapbox again on what I think the Orioles alternate jersey should look like...

Also, I am being told that the jersey was bought from GF in August, 1999. (Which coincides with the script discrepancy...)

Was going through my research photos folder for another reason, and found a bogus "Ripken game worn" road jersey with the same problem. This one I really don't understand, as the 1999 road jerseys did not get de-birded. If you're faking for fun and profit, why bother removing one patch, and replacing it with three? 1997 is not that big of a Ripken year, even if it is the last time the O's made the playoffs.

[atsfuji]

Re: Seeking opinions on a GU Ripken 1997 Black Alternate Jersey

Howard,

Per your request... the LoO from Grey Flannel.

[hblakewolf]

Re: Seeking opinions on a GU Ripken 1997 Black Alternate Jersey

Mark Sutton-
You indicate that this is actually a 1999 jersey that has been doctored to look like a 1997 gamer. Please take a look at the LOA-it's written in 1998. Did the O's actually wear this style in 1998 AND 1999?

Thoughts?

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[bigtime59]

Re: Seeking opinions on a GU Ripken 1997 Black Alternate Jersey

Howard:
No. I'm attaching photos of 1997 (#21), 1998 (#57), and 1999 (#9) Orioles alternate jerseys. While I have photographic evidence of 1997-pattern jerseys being worn by a couple of players in 1998, I am certain that the 1998-pattern jersey was 1998 only, and that 1999-pattern script was used (on Russell jerseys, anyway) only in 1999. While the 1999-pattern script was used on the first 2000 Majestic alternates, they never saw game action.

Mark Sutton
bigtime39@aol.com

[kingjammy24]

Re: Seeking opinions on a GU Ripken 1997 Black Alternate Jersey

so the big mystery is how gfc wrote a letter on a jersey a year before that jersey supposedly existed?

rudy.

[hblakewolf]

Re: Seeking opinions on a GU Ripken 1997 Black Alternate Jersey

Attached, you will find a couple photos of my 1997 Ripken alternate road. I also have his matching home pants with this.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[bigtime59]

Re: Seeking opinions on a GU Ripken 1997 Black Alternate Jersey

Howard:
Tried to PM you, but the system won't let me. Could you provide a photo of the nameplate only on this jersey, shot absolutely parallel to the plate? Also, could you give me a measurement on the height of those numbers?
Thanks,
Mark Sutton
bigtime39@aol.com