Question: Air Jordan VI model

[mmonte4]

Does anyone have a pair of verified game worn Air Jordan VIs? I'm trying to figure out the difference in tagging between the retail and game worn shoe for this particular model. If anyone has evidence, please come forward.

[primeradriver]

For sure there won't be the retail style number and color code. With the early Jordan's its easy to tell if they were gamer/issued as Jordan was the only one wearing player sample tagged shoes. Post a pic of the pair you're inquiring about.

[mmonte4]

For sure there won't be the retail style number and color code. With the early Jordan's its easy to tell if they were gamer/issued as Jordan was the only one wearing player sample tagged shoes. Post a pic of the pair you're inquiring about.

Can you please post a pic or link to what you are referring to when you say "player tagged" on the early Jordan models?

[primeradriver]

Well. There are so many variations of player tags. You could be looking for a code ending in 'PS', hand written tag, typed (as in typewriter) tag, etc.

If you'd like to email a pic instead of posting it I could tell you within seconds the info you're looking for. Aside from one person making Frankenstein Jordan PEs a couple years back there really is no grey area with the older models. It's either retail, production sample or PE.

thereignstate@hotmail.com

[mmonte4]

Ok, so tell me where these are labeled "player sample":

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=27385&p=0&s=BidDate+ASC&t=Closed&c=&q=jordan+shoes&offset=10

http://www.mearsonlineauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=1800&searchby=0&searchvalue=None&page=0&sortby=0&displayby=2&lotsperpage=100&category=1&seo=1989-Michael-Jordan-game-worn-autographed-Air-Jordan-IV-shoes

[mmonte4]

One more....seller of this 90-91 game worn uniform complete with shoes and GF Authentication. I emailed him and the coding on his shoes:

910204FT2

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Michael-Jordan-Autographed-Game-Used-Uniform-1990-1991-/140392431787?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20b00a80ab#ht_500wt_964

[primeradriver]

The Maroon VI (eBay listing) is easy. Jordan never wore those in an NBA game. Only off court in product ads and such. The COA is incorrect in reference to game use.

I'll check the other two shortly.

[mmonte4]

The Maroon VI (eBay listing) is easy. Jordan never wore those in an NBA game. Only off court in product ads and such. The COA is incorrect in reference to game use.

I'll check the other two shortly.


Until I see a photo of MJ wearing this style in a game, I'll take your word for it. However, I would assume that even the shoes MJ wore in commercials and ads came from his private stock and were tagged as such.

[mmonte4]

uh oh!!!

[Dolphins23]

Ok, so tell me where these are labeled "player sample":

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=27385&p=0&s=BidDate+ASC&t=Closed&c=&q=jordan+shoes&offset=10

http://www.mearsonlineauctions.com/LotDetail.aspx?lotid=1800&searchby=0&searchvalue=None&page=0&sortby=0&displayby=2&lotsperpage=100&category=1&seo=1989-Michael-Jordan-game-worn-autographed-Air-Jordan-IV-shoes

Those aren't 4's there 5's which is weird they would mess that up. The other link is of the 4's.

[mmonte4]

uh oh!!!


Primeradriver, looks like its not that easy!

[Dolphins23]

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg155/scaled.php?server=155&filename=img0106fg.jpg&res=medium
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg189/scaled.php?server=189&filename=img0108pi.jpg&res=medium

Here are my Cement 4's as well as retail tag if this helps you to compare it to game PE shoes.

[primeradriver]

uh oh!!!

Those aren't the Maroons. They're the white infrared with black tongue.

[Dolphins23]

Those aren't the Maroons. They're the white infrared with black tongue.


Jordan would never wear a shoe that didn't match his jersey/ team colors. Therefor Maroons are out of the question. You are 100% right prime they are the infrareds

[primeradriver]

Dolphins - those are the 1999 retros. Newer version of the original. Although, the styling is the same it won't help with PE tagging of the original.

[Dolphins23]

yeah there 99 retros, but didn't the taging of the OG retails stay the same? He can still compare it so he knows if he sees the tag in mine and there saying its game worn that he knows its not.

[Dolphins23]

I take that back, the OG RETAIL taging was different then the 99 tagging I'm almost 100% sure. As far as Jordans actual IV tagging I'd say they look pretty real to me. Your thoughts on the cement 4's worn against knicks prime?

[mmonte4]

Primadriver, you said you can instantly tell a game worn Jordan shoe from a retail shoe. You claimed that Jordan's personal stock are clearly marked as samples. What about the two links I posted of the game worn IVs and Vs? I see no sign of "sample" markings.

[primeradriver]

One more....seller of this 90-91 game worn uniform complete with shoes and GF Authentication. I emailed him and the coding on his shoes:

910204FT2

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Michael-Jordan-Autographed-Game-Used-Uniform-1990-1991-/140392431787?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20b00a80ab#ht_500wt_964

910204FT2 is a retail production code. '91' = 1991, '0204' = February to April, 'FT2'= Feng Tay production factory.

Same prod code as these size 11 public release.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Air-Jordan-VI-Maroon-OG-1991-/260845837436?pt=US_Men_s_Shoes&hash=item3cbb9f9c7c


More to the point, Maroons weren't worn in an NBA game.

[mmonte4]

910204FT2 is a retail production code. '91' = 1991, '0204' = February to April, 'FT2'= Feng Tay production factory.

Same prod code as these size 11 public release.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Air-Jordan-VI-Maroon-OG-1991-/260845837436?pt=US_Men_s_Shoes&hash=item3cbb9f9c7c


More to the point, Maroons weren't worn in an NBA game.


and a game worn tag would look like????

[primeradriver]

and a game worn tag would look like????

It's not that easy. ;) There are TONS of different variations. Telling them apart from retail is the easy part.

The V's look legit. The only shoes I've seen with specific production dates are PE's. Futhermore, the tag is different than the general release.

The IV's. They're definitely an authentic Jordan product. I can't say either way on whether or not they're gamers. The ending is cut off. I'll have to research that one.

In regards to examples of what a Player tag looks like.....I will post some pics later on.

[Dolphins23]

If I remember correctly there was a huge topic on Nike Talk about this same issue and mostly all of Jordans Bulls shoes were never marked with PE. He didn't start doing that until later signing other athletes to his brand.

All and all the 2 links you posted I think are def legit. Theres no way to tell if they are really game worn, other then the source. Jordan had many back up pairs of shoes and some he wore some he didn't. So is it possible that the pairs listed could have never been worn YES it is. It all depends on how well you as the buyer trust the source. Yeah they look worn and yeah they match the era and size and colorways, also he signed them which makes them worth a lot of money in itself, but IMO they are indeed legit.

As for the Maroons, ehhh wouldn't trust those if they seller claims they are worn. Once again Jordan never wore a shoe that didn't match his Uniform.

[mmonte4]

There is only one way to solve this. Tagging of legit MJ gamers for each year need to be provided. We then compare that to the corresponding examples of retail tagging.

[primeradriver]

There is only one way to solve this. Tagging of legit MJ gamers for each year need to be provided. We then compare that to the corresponding examples of retail tagging.

phew...thats some work.

mrmar23 would be the golden child for this.

[mmonte4]

phew...thats some work.

mrmar23 would be the golden child for this.


mrmar23 is in exile and will NEVER share this information with us, trust me. we're on our own here.

[worldchamps]

mrmar23 is in exile and will NEVER share this information with us, trust me. we're on our own here.

I am not speaking on his behalf, but I think most people that know the codes and how they work don't want to share because they are afraid counterfeiters will get this info.

I wish collectively we could put together a list if all the codes per year

[mmonte4]

I am not speaking on his behalf, but I think most people that know the codes and how they work don't want to share because they are afraid counterfeiters will get this info.

I wish collectively we could put together a list if all the codes per year


does anyone have any info?

[worldchamps]

does anyone have any info?

I can help with 3, 5 and 7....shoot me an email

Rangersstars@yahoo.com

[mmonte4]

I can help with 3, 5 and 7....shoot me an email

Rangersstars@yahoo.com


Great! Anyone else? I think we are going to have trouble with the 2s and 6s.