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jake33
05-18-2012, 03:34 PM
Looking back if the 1994-1995 baseball strike did not occur, the following career milestones may have happened. The total games lost from the strike equals 57 total games over 1994 and 1995. These numbers are based on what the player was doing at that 1994-1995 period of time, not career average.

Barry Bonds – He has 2935 career hits, borderline to getting 3,000 hits. However, if Bonds was sitting at around 2980 hits, I would think some team would have signed Bonds for a PR and ticket sales push in 2008 to get to 3,000. Also, Bonds missed out on an addition 12-16 homeruns for his career, and missed out on 2000 career RBI (1996).

Andres Galarraga – The Big Cat would have hit 400 career homeruns

Fred McGriff – The Crime Dog has 2490 career hits and 493 career homeruns. He would have gotten to 2500 hits and very close to 500 homeruns. In 2004, the Devil Rays brought him up from AAA in attempt to get him to 500 homeruns. If he would have been at 498, the Devil Rays may have strung it out with Fred being in the majors another week or two to get to 500.

Ken Griffey, Jr. – Would have reached 2800 hits and gotten within striking distance of 650 homeruns. Lot of “what if’s with Griffey’s career though with the injury bug costing him chances to hit 700 homeruns and 3,000 hits.

Jose Canseco – He wouldn’t have gotten to 500 homeruns, but possible 475. Who knows, if Jose would have gotten closer to 500, some team may have picked him up or Jose wouldn’t have quit on his own in 2001 and tried to get to 500. With that, maybe no “Jucied Book”

Omar Vizquel – When Omar retires at the end of 2012, by adding what he missed in 1994 and 1995, he might have been at around 2900 hits, even with adding his 57 postseason hits, still would not be quite at 3,000. HE was actually the reason I put this list together, I was hoping it would have bolstered him to that level.

Ivan Rodriguez – Same with Omar, It would have put him over 2900, he has 39 post season hits as well. Got to wonder how close Pudge would have gotten to 3000, if anything would be different. I know he wanted to get to 3000 and be the only catcher to do it.

Harold Baines – Would have put him over 2900 hits. I wish Harold would have made it to 3,000. He has 33 postseason hits as well. I wish Harold would have had a strong final season in 2001 and could have reached for 3,000.

Rafael Palmeiro – would have topped Kilebrew on all time homerun list, wouldn’t matter anyways.

Mark Grace - The 1990’s hit leader has 2445 career hits, may have gotten to 2500

Ozzie Smith – 2460 career hits, could have gotten to 2500, but considering he was hitting .244 during that time frame it isn’t a lock, could have moved into the top 20 for all time stolen bases though (580)

Jeff Kent – probably wouldn’t have gotten to 400 homeruns, but possible for him to ahev gotten to 2500 career hits (2461)

Jeff Conine – 2000 hits (1982)

Andre Dawson – Maybe 2800 hits (2774)

Rickey Henderson – 300 homeruns (297)

Roberto Alomar – Likely would be a stretch but could have gotten to 500 stolen bases (474)

Manny Ramirez – Depending on where his career ends up, may have cost him 2000 career RBI, sitting out most of 2011, didn’t help either or his 1st suspension.

David Cone and Doc Gooden – 200 Wins a piece (194 apiece)

Jack Morris – possible 2500 K’s (2478)

Dennis Eckersley – possible 200 wins (197) and 400 saves (390)

Note: Mark McGwire was hurt in 1994, but with full games , would have gotten to 600 career homeruns (583), Randy Johnson would have been closer to 5,000 strikeouts likely around 50 K’s away.

mook03005
05-18-2012, 05:30 PM
This is a great thread ....for what its worth Craig Biggio missed his chances of joining the 300 HR / 300SB club (only 7 members have reached this in MLB history). He finished with 291 Homers, or 8 HR short.

mook03005
05-18-2012, 05:40 PM
This is a great thread ....for what its worth Craig Biggio missed his chances of joining the 300 HR / 300SB club (only 7 members have reached this in MLB history). He finished with 291 Homers, or 8 HR short.

Matt Williams 1994 season was also worthy (despite roid usage) ...but 43 Homers in only 445 AB's ..Woww...

I suck at math Biggio was 9 Homeruns away from the 300-300 Club!!

godwulf
05-19-2012, 10:52 AM
Matt Williams 1994 season was also worthy (despite roid usage) ...but 43 Homers in only 445 AB's ..Woww...

Whoa, whoa, whoa..."roid usage"?

Matty admitted to using HGH during his last couple of years in the game in order to help overcome some nagging foot injuries. That's the only banned substance use I've ever heard mentioned in connection with him.

mook03005
05-19-2012, 12:51 PM
Whoa, whoa, whoa..."roid usage"?

Matty admitted to using HGH during his last couple of years in the game in order to help overcome some nagging foot injuries. That's the only banned substance use I've ever heard mentioned in connection with him.

It was actually HGH and Roids.. 16, 000 worth bought at a Palm Beach Rejuvenation center in 2002
Mitchell report - http://www.baseballssteroidera.com/bse-list-steroid-hgh-users-baseball.html

but It really makes no difference Matty had such a great career (unblemished up until 2002) that the fact that he did take HGH or roids late in his career was due to injuries..

IMHO taking HGH towards the tail end of one's career (w/injuries) only to prolong it, mitigates the whole negative image of the drug.

CampWest
05-20-2012, 10:46 AM
Tony Gwynn was hitting .394 at the strike. Had decent shot at first player since Ted Williams to hit .400.

jake33
05-20-2012, 01:08 PM
I know the season long records are well noted (Gwynn, expos being great, Matt Williams, etc.), but haven't heard anyone go back to check on the career numebrs that were affected, any otehr come to mind?

mook03005
05-20-2012, 02:02 PM
Alan trammell 200 HR 250 SB

Barry Larkin. 200 HR 400 SB ?

ironmanfan
05-20-2012, 04:33 PM
Interesting list although Dwight Gooden doesn't deserve inclusion/consideration. While he was suspended for 60 days in early July that season for drug use, up to that point he pitched to only three wins coupled with a 6.31 ERA.

mook03005
05-20-2012, 05:26 PM
Like jake33 said ....lots of what ifs here but can you imagine if ryne Sandberg had played a full 20-22 years without injuries icluding the 94-95 seasons. He could have been apart of that rare club George Brett was in. 3000 hits 600 2b's 300 hr 200 SB.

CampWest
05-21-2012, 01:41 PM
Bagwell short of 500 doubles by 12. Would have been right there with those 57 games.

frikativ54
05-21-2012, 01:47 PM
Bagwell short of 500 doubles by 12. Would have been right there with those 57 games.

Bagwell broke his hand a couple of days before the strike and likely would not have reached that milestone, unless he would have been healthy for all of 1994.

Astros1994
05-21-2012, 02:20 PM
Bagwell broke his hand a couple of days before the strike and likely would not have reached that milestone, unless he would have been healthy for all of 1994.

With the injury to his hand Bagwell actually benifited from the lockout. Without the lockout he would have missed the rest of the regular season and never have been the 1994 NL MVP.