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yanks12025
06-01-2012, 08:53 PM
Mets santana pitches no hitter.

maverick14
06-01-2012, 08:54 PM
Considering the great names that have pitched for NYM I was very surprised to hear this was their first.

cliffjmp33
06-01-2012, 09:02 PM
That's pretty awesome. Congrats to all Mets fans and Johan fans. He has battled a lot of injuries and nice to see him healthy and accomplish such a feat!

vdsporty25
06-01-2012, 09:05 PM
Pretty cool too see! Happy for Johan coming back from shoulder surgery and throwing such a great game!

flaco1801
06-01-2012, 09:18 PM
Mike Baxter made it happen....what a great catch...

camarokids
06-01-2012, 09:59 PM
What about the line drive called foul, when it clearly hit the chalk line?

Technically this is NOT a no-hitter!

Home town cooking from the umps!!!

Besides the five walks and the blown call, he pitched pretty good with some great defense!

Jags Fan Dan
06-02-2012, 08:46 AM
What about the line drive called foul, when it clearly hit the chalk line?

Technically this is NOT a no-hitter!

Home town cooking from the umps!!!

Besides the five walks and the blown call, he pitched pretty good with some great defense!
I'm glad for Johan, but I agree there is no disputing the fact that the Beltran ball in the 6th hit the line.

metsbats
06-02-2012, 10:55 AM
http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100602&content_id=10727590&vkey=recap&fext=.jsp&c_id=det

Unfortunately, sometimes the pitcher is on the wrong end of a bad call too.

Umpires are human and mistakes will happen affecting the outcome of a game. Of course they are more magnified when something special like a no-no happens or does not happen.

Bottom line officially it's a no-no for Johan and unfortunately a 1 hitter for Gararraga.

marino13
06-02-2012, 11:55 AM
Every one knows that it is NOT a NO HITTER.


The only people who will overlooked the obvious hit by Beltran are - METS fan and Johan Santana fans along with his game used collectors.


I would accept Armando's 1 hitter is the TRUE No Hitter before I accept Santana's No hitter as a 1 hitter shutout!

legaleagle92481
06-02-2012, 01:08 PM
I love how there are so many Mets haters. First you guys hated on the Reyes batting title. Now its the no-hitter. The call is the call. Every game has good and questionable calls. whether it is a foul ball or a ball strike call or like the Armando game a play on the bases. It is what it is.

LastingsMilledge85
06-02-2012, 01:23 PM
Technically this is NOT a no-hitter!
Technically it is a no-hitter, really it isn't would be your argument. Just one more franchise left to accomplish the feat.

metsbats
06-02-2012, 04:56 PM
Every one knows that it is NOT a NO HITTER.


The only people who will overlooked the obvious hit by Beltran are - METS fan and Johan Santana fans along with his game used collectors.


I would accept Armando's 1 hitter is the TRUE No Hitter before I accept Santana's No hitter as a 1 hitter shutout!



The only people who will overlooked the obvious hit by Beltran are - METS fan and Johan Santana fans along with his game used collectors.

Don't forget MLB.

camarokids
06-02-2012, 08:15 PM
With the blown call keeping the no hitter intact, deep down Johan cannot feel too good about the game being labeled a no-hitter. For he knows he got away with a call which cheapens the feat.

marino13
06-02-2012, 08:58 PM
The only people who will overlooked the obvious hit by Beltran are - METS fan and Johan Santana fans along with his game used collectors.

Don't forget MLB.


:D


I am waiting for the third base umpire to make a public apology for having something in his eyes. It must have been the chalk being hit by the ball being carried by the wind and got into his eyes.

Revenge of the umpire for chalk getting into his vision.


But seriously, how could it NOT be a hit when the ball hit the chalk line AFTER the base bag? This does not need instant replay.


I am not taking anything away from Santana, but forever this "chalk blurred my vision" by the umpire will be tagged along with the No Hitter.


Even some of my family members who are die-hard Mets fans - they even say that it was not a No Hitter. It is more like a dirty No Hitter if anything. But since they were suffering for so long with out having one, regular MLB fans might just let it go.


If that is the case, might as well give the Padres a No Hitter and get it over with.

:D

marino13
06-02-2012, 09:02 PM
I love how there are so many Mets haters. First you guys hated on the Reyes batting title. Now its the no-hitter. The call is the call. Every game has good and questionable calls. whether it is a foul ball or a ball strike call or like the Armando game a play on the bases. It is what it is.


Reyes cheapen the batting tittle by quitting on the last three non-existence at bat - by removing himself from the game!


It must have been the incentives in the contract or something --- and that amount must be huge, so he doesnt care what fans and others think about him.

TNTtoys
06-03-2012, 11:45 PM
:D


I am waiting for the third base umpire to make a public apology for having something in his eyes. It must have been the chalk being hit by the ball being carried by the wind and got into his eyes.

Revenge of the umpire for chalk getting into his vision.


But seriously, how could it NOT be a hit when the ball hit the chalk line AFTER the base bag? This does not need instant replay.


I am not taking anything away from Santana, but forever this "chalk blurred my vision" by the umpire will be tagged along with the No Hitter.


Even some of my family members who are die-hard Mets fans - they even say that it was not a No Hitter. It is more like a dirty No Hitter if anything. But since they were suffering for so long with out having one, regular MLB fans might just let it go.


If that is the case, might as well give the Padres a No Hitter and get it over with.

:D

Spoken like a true Yankee fan.

Two words for you... Jeffrey Maier.

Take away that botched call and the Yankees perhaps do not advance... and Baltimore does. Then the dynasty that begins for the Yankees in 1996 does not happen until 1998 the earliest.

Anyone who complains about how the Mets got away with a call on Friday night has some very serious short term memory......

slab0meat
06-04-2012, 08:00 AM
Spoken like a true Yankee fan.

Two words for you... Jeffrey Maier.

Take away that botched call and the Yankees perhaps do not advance... and Baltimore does. Then the dynasty that begins for the Yankees in 1996 does not happen until 1998 the earliest.

Anyone who complains about how the Mets got away with a call on Friday night has some very serious short term memory......


Take away the botched call in the Mets game, and you have a black and white result, that being Santana did not pitch a no-hitter.

Your example is a "perhaps" situation, and possibly may have affected who won or lost the series. The timing of the dynasty also is speculation.

I have no problem with Santana's no-hitter, though it sucks he got it because of a bad call, and it sucks Galarraga didn't get his because of a terrible call also. Happens. But an example with multiple "maybes" vs a concrete result isn't exactly a good comparison.

TNTtoys
06-04-2012, 09:07 AM
an example with multiple "maybes" vs a concrete result isn't exactly a good comparison.

Point taken.

How about the blown call in the 2009 ALDS where Joe Mauer's extra base hit down the left field line in the 11th inning (again, against the Yankees) is ruled foul. The go-ahead run in the ballgame does not score as a result, and the Twins go on to lose an excruciating game and the series?

And what I am trying to say here is that fans of teams that have been on the positive end of blown calls really shouldn't be in any position to criticize...

marino13
06-04-2012, 04:31 PM
Spoken like a true Yankee fan.

Two words for you... Jeffrey Maier.

Take away that botched call and the Yankees perhaps do not advance... and Baltimore does. Then the dynasty that begins for the Yankees in 1996 does not happen until 1998 the earliest.

Anyone who complains about how the Mets got away with a call on Friday night has some very serious short term memory......



I am a fan of BLACK and WHITE evidences - before instant replay!

How could the third base umpire could not see the missing chalk on the line? And how about the rest of the crew did not get together and talk over about the baseball being hit on the chalk-line AFTER the base bag? Because of their laziness and so forth, it cheapen the milestone for Johan (who I liked since the Twinkies' days) and the lovable-losers Mets.



I am a supporter of "instant replay" due to so many "blind eyes" umpires' mistakes!

slab0meat
06-05-2012, 08:28 AM
Point taken.

How about the blown call in the 2009 ALDS where Joe Mauer's extra base hit down the left field line in the 11th inning (again, against the Yankees) is ruled foul. The go-ahead run in the ballgame does not score as a result, and the Twins go on to lose an excruciating game and the series?

And what I am trying to say here is that fans of teams that have been on the positive end of blown calls really shouldn't be in any position to criticize...

You're right in that regard, but fans will be fans.... and everyone will criticize regardless.. I'm waiting for the next pitcher to throw a no-hitter and lose. That's a nice rare feat.

legaleagle92481
06-05-2012, 08:58 AM
Note that Humber's perfect game earlier this year shouldn't have been a perfect game as the ump blew the call on the 27th out. Also Bob Forsch once pitched a no hitter with the aid of the scorekeeper, a batter hit a clean single that was ruked an "error" to preserve the no no. Those are just two I can think of.

marino13
06-05-2012, 01:18 PM
You're right in that regard, but fans will be fans.... and everyone will criticize regardless.. I'm waiting for the next pitcher to throw a no-hitter and lose. That's a nice rare feat.


That would be super rare!


I will blame that on the defense - and then the pitcher who relieves.


Or I can just blame the homeplate umpire who called 16-straight BALL. :D

brianborsch
06-05-2012, 01:33 PM
Two words for everyone: INSTANT REPLAY. We need to have it and have rules associated with how may times a manager can call to it (like in Football). But in some cases it will not only make the game more accurate, but shorten the games....no more long drawn out ump vs. manager arguments etc. Have personel ready and waiting to review a questionable call, that way most close plays are already in the process of being reviewed before the manager can even get to the ump to request it.
Jeter's fake of being hit by the ball a few years ago, Galarraga's loss of his perfect game (or was it just a no-no), and Johan's not reaL NO-NO would all be accurate.

I know it would be a big change, but sometimes change is needed....it's not like it would destroy the game....

slab0meat
06-05-2012, 02:02 PM
That would be super rare!


I will blame that on the defense - and then the pitcher who relieves.


Or I can just blame the homeplate umpire who called 16-straight BALL. :D


From Wiki:

Nine-inning no-hitters in a losing effort
Unlike a perfect game, in which no batters reach base, in regular no-hitters batters can reach base in other ways, such as a walk, an error, or a hit batsman, thus it is possible for the team pitching the no-hitter to lose. On April 23, 1964, Ken Johnson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Johnson_(right-handed_pitcher)) of the Houston Colt .45s (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_Astros) became the only pitcher to lose a complete game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_game) no-hitter in nine innings when he was beaten 1-0 by Cincinnati. The winning run was scored by Pete Rose (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Rose) in the top of the ninth inning via an error, groundout, and another error.[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-hitter#cite_note-11)
On April 30, 1967, Steve Barber (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Barber) and Stu Miller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stu_Miller) of the Baltimore Orioles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_Orioles) pitched a combined no-hitter, but lost 2-1 to the Detroit Tigers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Tigers).[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-hitter#cite_note-12)
On July 1, 1990, Andy Hawkins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Hawkins) of the Yankees pitched an eight-inning no-hitter (the Yankees were the away team) against the Chicago White Sox and lost the game 4-0 after an eighth inning which saw three errors.[14] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-hitter#cite_note-13) The four runs that the White Sox scored are the most by any team in a game in which they had no hits. [15] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-hitter#cite_note-14) Because Hawkins only threw eight innings, this game is not recognized as an official no-hitter by Major League Baseball.
Jered Weaver and Jose Arredondo of the Angels also combined for eight innings of no-hit baseball in a 1-0 road loss to the Dodgers June 28, 2008, where Matt Kemp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Kemp) reached on an error, stole second, advanced to third on another error, and scored on a sacrifice fly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrifice_fly). However, since the Angels only pitched eight innings, this game is not recognized as an official no-hitter.