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  • hfd0035
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2011
    • 189

    Fraudulent Houston Astros COA

    I recently purchased a 2007/2008 GU Roy Oswalt Home Jerseywith an Astros COA from forum member eGameused/ Chris Boyd described with“heavy wear”. Later to find out thejersey was issued and the COA was a fraudulentcopy. Heres the story on my very first GU Astros purchase….

    It all started when I emailed Boyd about the Oswalt jerseyshe posted for sale on the forum for $250 each. In the email he said he also had an Oswaltthat was not posted on the forum with an Astros COA for $350. I chose the one with the COA and made plans tomeet.

    On 9/27 I took my wife to dinner and then met with Boydaround 9PM to pick up the Oswalt jersey. We met in a mall parking lot next to the place we ate at. During theexchange, it was dark, jersey was nice and coded 0062, Boyd seemed nice, sothanks and goodbye. I got home late that night so I just set the jersey asidesince I had to work in the morning. Whos gonna screw you over $350 bucks,right? Wrong! Later on, when I closely inspected the jersey it looked issuedand the COA was a printed copy. I became worried and emailed Boyd about myconcerns 10/1. I also contacted Mike Acosta, the Astros Authentication Manager,to ask what an Astros COA looks like. Boyd responded to a few emails and then textmessaged me that he may have gotten theOswalt jersey mixed up with another and would exchange it for a differentOswalt jersey and a choice from his list of early 90s Astros jerseys. When Iresponded back via text messegeinquiring about my choices on the early 90s jerseys on 10/2, Igot no response. A few days later Mike Acosta got back with me and we set up ameeting for Thursday 10/11 since he wanted to see the COA in person.
    Now the meeting with Mike Acosta. I showed Mike Acosta theletter and he immediatelty said that theCOA was a copy and never written or signed by himself. Also, the jersey was morethan likely issued and never worn. Acosta also stated that there are certainthings he puts in a jersey COA description and that he personally types and signseach Astros COA in ink. NO COPIES. Mike Acosta was so disappointed that one ofhis Astros letters was falsified that he replaced the jersey and letter that I purchased from Boyd and gave me a heavilyworn 2002 Roy Oswalt jersey with a COA. How awesome is that! Acosta also kept thefraudulent Astros COA as he said he wants to turn it in to MLB for review.

    Anyway, I just wantedto post this and warn members about fraudulent Houston Astros COAs. This was myfirst Astros gamer and I’ll take it as a lesson learned. This hobby is supposedto be fun and I hope someone can learn from my mistake of not doing my homeworkon sellers or COAs. I would have neverthought a forum member would burn me but oh well. Thank you to the forummembers that helped me with Astros information. If you think your Astros COA isquestionable you may want to contact Mike Acosta, he’s a great guy btw.
    So thank you for not responding back when I asked what myoptions were on the swap for this jersey. You never responded to my last textand now Mike Acosta Houston Astros Authentication Manager has the issued Oswaltand fraudulent/ fake whatever you want to call it, Astros team letter. I do notknow where or how you got the Oswalt COA you sold me but I would assume thatsomeone that has been collecting/selling as long as you have, that you would know what you are doing.

    ASTROS TEAM LETTERS ARE NOT COPIES. EACH COA SHOULD BESIGNED BY MIKE ACOSTA IN INK. BEWARE.
  • bd300
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2011
    • 104

    #2
    Re: Fraudulent Houston Astros COA

    That stinks that a fellow forum member did that to you. I'm glad to hear that Mike replaced the jersey with a real game used jersey. He's a great guy for doing that.

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    • Klattsy
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2010
      • 685

      #3
      Re: Fraudulent Houston Astros COA

      This would also be a good time for me to note that I have a paypal dispute with Chris at the moment. I paid for some RRS spring training pants which never arrived. I have emailed Chris 2x and also submitted a paypal dispute (3 days ago with no contact). In the time I have been chasing Chris he has been posting here still.

      I mention as the overwhelming feedback in another thread was to call members out.

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      • trsent
        Banned
        • Nov 2005
        • 3739

        #4
        Re: Fraudulent Houston Astros COA

        Happy to hear you got something nice in the end. I have one question about this whole situation that confuses me.

        I thought dealers were not allowed to sell on the C to C marketplace per forum rules. Is this rule still in effect? I was told I couldn't sell on this forum (thought I can buy) as I am classified as a deal.

        Here is the text from the C to C rules post:

        "Participation in GUU Collector to Collector Classifieds forum is subject to the agreement of the following:

        This forum is intended for collectors to sell among themselves. It is not intended for dealers, businesses or professional teams looking to sell their merchandise but simply a collector forum."


        I hope someone can clarify on this topic.

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        • BurlesonBlue
          Member
          • Aug 2011
          • 82

          #5
          Re: Fraudulent Houston Astros COA

          I'll go ahead and throw in my experience with eGameUsed.

          I bought a couple of game used baseballs from him a couple of months ago and while getting them took a lot longer than I thought it would, they were a great price and exactly as advertised. So my experience with him was good, sorry to hear that some of you are having issues.

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          • frikativ54
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2007
            • 3612

            #6
            Re: Fraudulent Houston Astros COA

            First of all, I want to say that as a fellow Astros' collector, this situation disappoints me greatly. I had always trusted that items with an Astros' LOA were legitimate. When things like this happens, they undermine my trust in team letters. Collectors should be able to have confidence in team LOAs.

            I have the same questions as Joel about the Collector to Collector Classifieds. I thought dealers were not allowed to sell there. I emailed the moderators a while back asking about such things, and I did not get a response. So I just figured that it was a free-for-all for anyone who wanted to post there.

            Sad to say, my experience with Chris Boyd has not been positive either. Those of you who are new to the forum may not remember eGameUsed's past history with game used bats, but it bears mentioning here. A few years back, Boyd was called out for doctoring a Pujols and a Carlos Lee bat. He later confessed.

            Here are the threads:

            Pujols bat

            Carlos Lee bat

            Chris later admitted to doctoring both bats, in a thread where I called into question his listing a game issued Bagwell bat on his website as game used. Boyd later sold the bat on eBay as game issued with no use whatsoever.

            I know these threads are from a few years back, but I don't think that obviates the need to examine eGameUsed's history. In the context of the Team Letter, it tells a lot about the ethics of the man we are dealing with.

            Here's a thread from only a year ago about a questionable Biggio jersey sourced to a Chris Boyd sale. As I recall, it was like pulling teeth for the guy who bought it to get his money back. Boyd eventually refunded the buyer, but it took pressure from me and other forum members for the guy to see any money.

            In closing, I am very disappointed to read about this situation, but I'm glad to hear that it was made right by Mike Acosta with the Houston Astros. I've worked with Mike as well, and he is an excellent guy. He really was under no obligation to replace the jersey, but he did the right thing and made the situation better.

            But where is Chris Boyd in all of this? Why the silence? If someone has a problem with an item, why not try to correct the situation? IMO, it's suspicious that he didn't immediately refund the forum member. If I were to ever have a problem with one of my transactions, I'd make it right immediately. I want my buyers to be happy and for them to be able to put their trust in me.
            Les Zukor
            bagwellgameused@gmail.com
            Collecting Jeff Bagwell Cleats, Jerseys, & Other Items

            http://www.bagwellgameused.com
            (617) 682-0408

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            • jwal23
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2011
              • 237

              #7
              Re: Fraudulent Houston Astros COA

              Sending you a PM
              Always on the lookout for Evan Longoria GU items
              txacerj23@aol.com

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              • Preston
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2010
                • 1390

                #8
                Re: Fraudulent Houston Astros COA

                I think I'm the black sheep here by saying I actually had a positive experience with Chris. I purchased a game worn Willy Taveras fielding glove at the Nationals, which I planned on keeping but Chris offered to pay me 500% of what I paid for it so of course I had to accept that offer - paid promptly and I shipped as soon as I received payment. Did offer to trade and do a cash and trade which I respectfully declined BUT still went through with his deal and didn't back down.

                Sad that someone could get burned and was burned by another forum member (or anyone) - is it possible Chris did not know he had a bad item, or is the thought process that he knowingly passed a bad item to someone else? I'm believing the consensus here is that it's the latter.

                Not sure what the state law is there but if he's lucky, under $500 is just a misdemeanor like it is in Tennessee...

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                • TFig27
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 1214

                  #9
                  Re: Fraudulent Houston Astros COA

                  I too purchased an Astros jersey (Aaron Boone) from Chris Boyd that came with a fraudulent letter. I sent scans to Mike Acosta.

                  Not good, not good at all
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                  • tella27
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2011
                    • 728

                    #10
                    Re: Fraudulent Houston Astros COA

                    I posted about egameused a few months ago - bought a jersey from him and it took almost 3 months to get. This was the jersey when he said he shipped it but wouldnt give me the tracking info. It took getting the police involved to get the jersey sent. I posted in his thread all the emails and nasty text messages but the Mod later deleted all of it.

                    My question is why is this member still allowed to troll this forum ripping people off and nothing is done about it? This is the 3 time he's been found to sell "doctored" items - this isnt opinions these are facts that are proved and the last one being direct from Mike. This member is nothing but trash and is backed by solid proof. This person should not be allowed to be on GUU any longer.

                    I tried to warn others that this guy was nothing but a scam artist but the Mods took down my post. I hope others read this thread and blackball him if for some reason he is not kicked off here.

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                    • tella27
                      Senior Member
                      • Jul 2011
                      • 728

                      #11
                      Re: Fraudulent Houston Astros COA

                      Originally posted by Preston
                      I think I'm the black sheep here by saying I actually had a positive experience with Chris. I purchased a game worn Willy Taveras fielding glove at the Nationals, which I planned on keeping but Chris offered to pay me 500% of what I paid for it so of course I had to accept that offer - paid promptly and I shipped as soon as I received payment. Did offer to trade and do a cash and trade which I respectfully declined BUT still went through with his deal and didn't back down.

                      Sad that someone could get burned and was burned by another forum member (or anyone) - is it possible Chris did not know he had a bad item, or is the thought process that he knowingly passed a bad item to someone else? I'm believing the consensus here is that it's the latter.

                      Not sure what the state law is there but if he's lucky, under $500 is just a misdemeanor like it is in Tennessee...
                      Once might be a mistake but over 4 times is a scam artist plain and simple. He knows what he is doing - he doctors the items himself.

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                      • Preston
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2010
                        • 1390

                        #12
                        Re: Fraudulent Houston Astros COA

                        Originally posted by tella27
                        Once might be a mistake but over 4 times is a scam artist plain and simple. He knows what he is doing - he doctors the items himself.
                        I guess I got EXTREMELY lucky then because I actually was the one doing the selling, and in this case, had the power.

                        People like that that knowingly commit fraud should be placed in prison. Period.

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                        • joelsabi
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2005
                          • 3073

                          #13
                          Re: Fraudulent Houston Astros COA

                          Has me concerned that a member would behave this way and not return your emails. Also I see egameused is selling other Astros jerseys in the classifieds. Looking at his extensive Astros inventory, I would think he was a dealer. It doesn't make sense to me that egameused cannot recognize a copy as opposed to an original team COA.

                          I hope C. Boyd can explained where he got this COA from or explain it to MLB or Mike Acosta should they pursue the problem further.
                          Regards,
                          Joel S.
                          joelsabi @ gmail.com
                          Wanted: Alex Rodriguez Game Used Items and other unique artifacts, 1992 thru 1998 only. From High School to Early Mariners.

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                          • hfd0035
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2011
                            • 189

                            #14
                            Re: Fraudulent Houston Astros COA

                            I am sure Boyd has some good items as I hear he is usually the first one to the Astros Game Used Kiosk on game days. That said, I was only posting to help educate and warn future buyers. It would also be nice if everyone else came forward and I am sure if you have a questionable Astros COA Mike Acosta would like to see it. From what I have been told from Mike Acosta personally he normally only does a COA for higher end items. Biggio, Bagwell, Clemens, etc and/or at a special request occasionally like the Oswalt I recieved from Acosta due to this situation. There is also a forum member here that gets them as the member and Acosta are close. But still, those are for players like Berkman, Pettitte, World Series Jerseys, etc. I do not think an Aaron Boone or the issued Oswalt I purchased from Boyd would even recieve a COA from the Astros, though I could be wrong.

                            As far as Boyd being a dealer I am not sure but I think he used to be. His name pops up on google under Houston Sports Investments. As well as some bad reviews for HSI.

                            Also, why would the mods delete posts that help educate people? Especially if this is happening to quite a few people by the same person. Wasnt this site created to educate, share thoughts with other collectors, collector to collector sales, etc? I mean this was my very first Houston Astros GU experience and it started off pretty crappy.

                            I say everyone come forward so we can keep this from happening again to someone else and so we can keep this fun like it is supposed to be.

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                            • sox83cubs84
                              Banned
                              • Apr 2009
                              • 8902

                              #15
                              Re: Fraudulent Houston Astros COA

                              Chris...would you care to defend yourself?

                              Dave Miedema

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