Goldin Auctions Paul Warfield Miami Dolphins

[Cubanfan]

I took a peak at the preview today. The Warfield jersey description IMO is way off! The Dolphins in 73 did not use Sandknit (Russell). Also jersey font is not 73. IMO a replica jersey for sure. The memorabilia evaluation and research service really missed the boat on this one!

Carlos

Fernsix@aol.com

Always Looking for pre-1980 Miami Dolphins

[KGoldin]

Re: Goldin Auctions Paul Warfield Miami Dolphins

Thank you for the post
The jersey is described as a circa 1973 jersey and early 1970s by goldin auctions. It was not stated to be 1973( I see that on the MEARS cert it says that)
If you can email me specifics on how exactly this cannot be a game issued but not worn jersey as described, please email me at ken@goldinauctions.com

We will look At it immediately, show info to MEARS, and if necessary pull the item
Thanks
Ken

[cohibasmoker]

Re: Goldin Auctions Paul Warfield Miami Dolphins

Seems to me that the Dolphins jersey style (s) were all over the place in the early-mid 1970's. Sleeve stripes vs no sleeves strips, different fonts for the numbers as well as different fonts for the letters used on the nameplates, sewn-on numbers vs heat-pressed numbers etc. I think it may have been a transitional thing between jersey manufacturers or it could have been certain players liked the way a certain jersey fit.

Whatever it may have been, I think one way to get an idea without seeing the tags may be the cut of the shoulder - Wilson had a specific cut while Sand-knit had another.

I've attached some links and you guys decide.

http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&ep=2&mt=photography&p=dolphins+warfield

http://www.gettyimages.com/Search/Search.aspx?contractUrl=2&language=en-US&family=editorial&assetType=image&ep=2&mt=photography&p=dolphins+1973

[genius]

Re: Goldin Auctions Paul Warfield Miami Dolphins

Would have to be either a 1973 or 1974 season jersey in my opinion. Getty #139023952 shows a good view of his jersey front before Super Bowl VIII and it's a different style, the "2" seems a bit more slim on the jersey in question and the shoulder seam and collar "v" is different. Might be some YouTube video of the 74 season that shows the nameplate that season, though the jersey in the auction seems to have screened-on letters rather than a nameplate which I think is unusual. Nice jersey though, still might be worth that opening bid to someone!

[Cubanfan]

Re: Goldin Auctions Paul Warfield Miami Dolphins

Ken,

The only year during the 1970's that the Dolphins wore Sandknit was in 1972. The 1972 Sandknit tag is the one that includes the Designed and tailored for the Miami Dolphins plus the care laundry tag. Many of the 70,71 jerseys (Wilson) were used in 72. The jersey in question is similar to one currently on e bay. Hope this information is helpful.


vintage 80S MIAMI DOLPHINS TEAL #31 HUGHES SAND KNIT MESH JERSEY MEDIUM M

Carlos

[KGoldin]

Re: Goldin Auctions Paul Warfield Miami Dolphins

Thanks
I spoke to Troy at MEARS and the cert is being adjusted to reflect 'circa' 1973 or 'early 1970s' and a new one will be uploaded on Monday. Thank you for your help.

[cohibasmoker]

Re: Goldin Auctions Paul Warfield Miami Dolphins

Here's my Dolphins jersey - made by Wilson. Rounded collar and diangular collar seams.

Jim

[Cubanfan]

Re: Goldin Auctions Paul Warfield Miami Dolphins

Ken,

I am glad the information was helpful. You mentioned Troy at MEARS is going to adjust the cert to reflect "circa" 1973 or early 1970's. He will adjust the cert to a replica I assume? With all due respect to Troy. It can not be a 1970. They used Wilson (no stripes). It can not be a 1971. They used Wilson.(no stripes). It can not be a 1972. Wrong font, wrong Sand-Knit tag. It can not be a 1973, 1974. They used Russell. (1974 was his last year). IMO the jersey is a replica very similar to some I see often on e bay.


Respectfully,

Carlos

[KGoldin]

Re: Goldin Auctions Paul Warfield Miami Dolphins

Hi Carlos
I am going to point him to this thread and see if he can either chime in or give me his comments.
I have no interest in auctioning a replica so if this is deemed the case the item will be pulled
Thanks for your help, we have 300 game used items in this auction and have no interest in a single one, no matter how small, being incorrect
Regards
Ken goldin

[genius]

Re: Goldin Auctions Paul Warfield Miami Dolphins

This thread was the first I've ever heard of Goldin Auctions, nice to see this kind of response.

[commando]

Re: Goldin Auctions Paul Warfield Miami Dolphins

This thread was the first I've ever heard of Goldin Auctions, nice to see this kind of response.

Ken's been around forever, but the auction is new as of last year. I see Goldin Auctions quickly rising to the top in a crowded field, and have a feeling its gonna be around for a while.

[Mulligans]

Re: Goldin Auctions Paul Warfield Miami Dolphins

Ken's been around forever, but the auction is new as of last year. I see Goldin Auctions quickly rising to the top in a crowded field, and have a feeling its gonna be around for a while.

I couldn't agree more.

[cohibasmoker]

Re: Goldin Auctions Paul Warfield Miami Dolphins

This thread was the first I've ever heard of Goldin Auctions, nice to see this kind of response.

I agree - most auction houses won't even respond to emails through the auction site let alone a public forum. It will be interesting to see if Troy "Publicly" responds.

Just some thoughts

[G1X]

Re: Goldin Auctions Paul Warfield Miami Dolphins

I am not sharing an opinion on the Warfield jersey in question other than to say that I agree with Carlos (a very knowledgeable Dolphins collector in my humble opinion) in his observation about the type of Sand Knit tag appearing to be incorrect for 1972, and agreeing with Genius (a well-versed football collector) in his observation about the number style. Here are my questions to Carlos or anyone else who has extensive knowledge on Dolphins jerseys from that era:

1. The Dolphins usually wore white at home in 1972. The very few times they wore aqua, it appears that they wore the previous style Wilson jerseys that had no sleeve stripes. Is there any photo evidence that the Dolphins wore aqua Sand Knit jerseys in 1972?

2. Did the Dolphins ever don aqua Sand Knit jerseys - even "recycled" Sand Knit jerseys mixed in with their Russell jerseys - during Warfield's tenure with the Dolphins? (For readers not familiar, there is a distinct difference between Sand Knit and Russell jerseys in that era that can be readily seen in photos.)

3. It appears that the 1972 white Sand Knit jerseys had sewn-on numbers. Were there any '72 Sand Knit jerseys with screened-on numbers? If not, I would assume that the aqua jersey would be similar and have sewn-on numbers, although I realize that this is a big (and dangerous) assumption to make.

4. Giving the benefit of the doubt that the top tag (Designed & Tailored tag) came off the jersey, has anyone ever seen a legitimate 1972 Sand Knit jersey with the idenitical type of Sand Knit size tag (bottom tag) as seen on the Warfield jersey in question? (For readers not familiar with Sand Knit tagging from the early 1970s, there were two tags as seen in the below photos keeping in mind that tags would occasionally fall off.)

On a sidenote, it looks like Bill Stanfill wore either a white Russell or white Wilson with seeve stripes late in 1972 based on the orange "fill-in" on the shouder numbers.

For what it's worth, retail replicas of certain star players were made available in 1974. The local sporting goods chain in my area carried a few Sand Knit jerseys that included Snake Stabler, Fred Biletnikoff, and O.J. Simpson. I cannot recall the exact Sand Knit tagging, but I clearly recall that the player's names were screened directly on the back. The reason I remember the year was because the Raiders and Bills played in the Monday Night Football opener (Bills won 21-20 on a late Ahmad Rashad TD catch), and when I made a visit to the local sporting goods store a few days later, the above mentioned jerseys were on display plus a Jets Namath and two or three others. They were well made replicas for that era other than the names were screened directly on the back.

My intent here is not to "judge" the Warfield jersey, especially since I have never seen it in person and held it in my hands. The purpose of my post is to provide information based on my experiences and observations, and ask questions that might help shed a bit more light on issues that have been raised. It is up to interested bidders to draw their own conclusions.

Mark Hayne
Gridiron Exchange
gixc@verizon.net

[KGoldin]

Re: Goldin Auctions Paul Warfield Miami Dolphins

Hello All.
I wanted to post because I have had 3 internet server or bounceback errors from MEARS servers when i have emailed him in past 48 hours. Troy is normally excellent in getting back to me in a timely manner and I am sure he will do so in this case as well.

regards
Ken Goldin
Ken@goldinauctions.com