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lewi1913
05-16-2013, 09:37 AM
Hey everyone, new here and looking for some help.

The price seems too good to be true, which is why I didn't pay yet. However, the auto checks out on PSA/DNA, and the jersey looks to be a real authentic pro cut, albeit not Kobe's size for that year. Please help, thanks!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/171040894741?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

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simmo2332
05-16-2013, 09:56 AM
stay away

lewi1913
05-16-2013, 10:04 AM
stay away

Can you provide any more insight than that? Autograph checks out from PSA...

simmo2332
05-16-2013, 10:13 AM
In my opinion, the signature is forged. That typically does not look like his typical Kobe or much less his Bryant. Just because PSA/DNA passed it does not mean it isn't fake.

Looks like they did a signing there with Kobe or so the seller said. Why wouldn't there be a photograph of Kobe signing stuff for them? Just doesn't add up.


Too many red flags honestly.

simmo2332
05-16-2013, 10:17 AM
In my opinion, the signature is forged. That typically does not look like his typical Kobe or much less his Bryant. Just because PSA/DNA passed it does not mean it isn't fake.

Looks like they did a signing there with Kobe or so the seller said. Why wouldn't there be a photograph of Kobe signing stuff for them? Just doesn't add up.


Too many red flags honestly.

This is a normal Kobe Bryant auto full sig

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KOBE-BRYANT-Signed-Authentic-Basketball-Panini-Auto-LOS-ANGELES-LAKERS-/261064941009?pt=US_Autographs&hash=item3cc8aeddd1#ht_1486wt_934

lewi1913
05-16-2013, 10:33 AM
I believe PSA had a private signing with him on 6/22/01, from what I have googled...

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/uda-kobe-bryant-signed-full-name-rookie-ball-psa

lewi1913
05-16-2013, 10:36 AM
Also, I believe the PSA info means that they witnessed the signing, since it has the date, location, etc. Normally if you send an autograph in, it doesn't include that info.

http://niketalk.com/content/type/61/id/413609/width/500/height/1000

simmo2332
05-16-2013, 10:40 AM
I believe PSA had a private signing with him on 6/22/01, from what I have googled...

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/uda-kobe-bryant-signed-full-name-rookie-ball-psa


I still stand by what I said to stay away. The "Bryant" is nothing near his normal "Bryant" and the Kobe just looks off.

I don't have a dog in the fight but $400 is a lot to waste on something you are already questioning. Just my .02

KGoldin
05-16-2013, 03:12 PM
I still stand by what I said to stay away. The "Bryant" is nothing near his normal "Bryant" and the Kobe just looks off.

I don't have a dog in the fight but $400 is a lot to waste on something you are already questioning. Just my .02

I want to help a new member out.
If the autograph is from an in person PSA signing in 2001 it is 10000000% legit.
Kobe had a lawsuit and settled with a company called Oxxford Express and as a result had to sign a very large # of autographs at $2 each. I know...because my name was on the contract that Oxxford purchased and then sued to enforce. I guess I wrote a good contract back in 1996 when he signed it.
Anyway, they had tens of thousand of legitimate autographs and because upper deck had Kobe exclusively, they used PSA to witness their signings so customers would know it was real.

regards
Ken Goldin

lewi1913
05-16-2013, 03:32 PM
I want to help a new member out.
If the autograph is from an in person PSA signing in 2001 it is 10000000% legit.
Kobe had a lawsuit and settled with a company called Oxxford Express and as a result had to sign a very large # of autographs at $2 each. I know...because my name was on the contract that Oxxford purchased and then sued to enforce. I guess I wrote a good contract back in 1996 when he signed it.
Anyway, they had tens of thousand of legitimate autographs and because upper deck had Kobe exclusively, they used PSA to witness their signings so customers would know it was real.

regards
Ken Goldin

So this is definitely authentic?

KGoldin
05-16-2013, 03:56 PM
Unless they tampered with the PSA Sticker, it is 100% authentic

and, considering Kobe signed 10,000+ items for them at $2 each as opposed to the $100 he was likely getting from everyone else at the time, you can see why they would be rushed

42itus
05-16-2013, 05:03 PM
Wow Ken! That's great info. That's why I love this forum and that's why I love your auctions!

lewi1913
05-16-2013, 05:04 PM
Wow Ken! That's great info. That's why I love this forum and that's why I love your auctions!

Sounds like I got a steal then for an autographed procut authentic for $395! :D

42itus
05-16-2013, 06:05 PM
I would take a screen shot of Ken's comments and keep it for your provenance in case the legitimacy comes up. A great pickup for sure!

lewi1913
05-16-2013, 06:27 PM
I would take a screen shot of Ken's comments and keep it for your provenance in case the legitimacy comes up. A great pickup for sure!

That is a great idea. Just for the record, here is the jersey in question:

http://niketalk.com/content/type/61/id/413609/width/500/height/1000

http://niketalk.com/content/type/61/id/413617/width/500/height/1000

http://niketalk.com/content/type/61/id/413618/width/500/height/1000

http://niketalk.com/content/type/61/id/413611/width/500/height/1000

http://niketalk.com/content/type/61/id/413612/width/500/height/1000

http://niketalk.com/content/type/61/id/413613/width/500/height/1000

http://niketalk.com/content/type/61/id/413614/width/500/height/1000

http://niketalk.com/content/type/61/id/413615/width/500/height/1000

http://niketalk.com/content/type/61/id/413616/width/500/height/1000

Griffey24fan
05-16-2013, 10:44 PM
PSA almost always puts the PSA sticker on the numbers when a jersey is signed, plus it looks as if their is sticker residue on the jersey from the psa sticker.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was pulled off a legit item and placed on this.

lewi1913
05-16-2013, 11:05 PM
PSA almost always puts the PSA sticker on the numbers when a jersey is signed, plus it looks as if their is sticker residue on the jersey from the psa sticker.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was pulled off a legit item and placed on this.

Sticker looks old and faded, it is 12 years old now. Jersey moving around alot, could shift under the sticker and show residue.

Plus, if you were going to remove a sticker off authentic numbers and place on a duplicate, why wouldn't you put the sticker also on the number?

mdube16
05-16-2013, 11:06 PM
I would be worried in that I cant find another Kobe PSA/DNA with the last name signed under the first. Its easy enough to switch stickers from one jersey to another as it has been said here. Also, its far from rare and they seem to sell for less than this one so for that reason alone why bother?

lewi1913
05-16-2013, 11:16 PM
I would be worried in that I cant find another Kobe PSA/DNA with the last name signed under the first. Its easy enough to switch stickers from one jersey to another as it has been said here. Also, its far from rare and they seem to sell for less than this one so for that reason alone why bother?

This PSA ball was signed at the same autograph event...

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/uda-kobe-bryant-signed-full-name-rookie-ball-psa

lewi1913
05-16-2013, 11:27 PM
I would be worried in that I cant find another Kobe PSA/DNA with the last name signed under the first. Its easy enough to switch stickers from one jersey to another as it has been said here. Also, its far from rare and they seem to sell for less than this one so for that reason alone why bother?

Here is another PSA auto, very similar with last name and same style, and sticker on bottom fabric, just like this one. PSA/DNA cert shows this jersey was signed at the same exact event as the one I bought.

http://www.frontlinedivsports.com/Kobe-Bryant-8-Autographed-PSA-DNA-Jersey-p/kobej8.htm

http://www.psacard.com/DNACert/9A03955

Phil316
05-16-2013, 11:55 PM
I have no means to get ahold of it because it is in another state but I bought a white one from Mounted Memories that has the PSA/DNA sticker in the same spot as Lewi913. The jersey I have has its original hang tags from Nike still attached.

As far as the auto goes I cannot remember what the sig looks like :(

42itus
05-17-2013, 12:05 AM
I think it's legit. I'm no expert though. But the point I want to make is that if you're happy with it, end of story. It's cool everyone is trying to help with their opinion, but if you own it, be happy with it. Especially if you're not planning to sell it. Show it off and enjoy it.

lewi1913
05-17-2013, 12:09 AM
I think it's legit. I'm no expert though. But the point I want to make is that if you're happy with it, end of story. It's cool everyone is trying to help with their opinion, but if you own it, be happy with it. Especially if you're not planning to sell it. Show it off and enjoy it.

I just want to be showing off something I am 100% confident on, which I think I am now. :)

42itus
05-17-2013, 01:28 AM
It looks great!

CollectGU
05-17-2013, 06:40 PM
Your Bryant sig. is his 100% legit in my opinion...