Historic Auctions Yankees Jerseys

[hblakewolf]

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Eric has posted several football jerseys from the current Historic Auction that he is questioning.

I'm extremely surprised that no one has surfaced the issue that Historic Auctions has a handful of current home Yankees jerseys WITHOUT THE STEINER HOLOGRAM/LOA. As we are all aware, "game ready" Yankees can be purchased on Ebay everyday at a fraction of the price of a Steiner game worn. If memory serves correct, a previous post by Rudy provided Ebay links to jerseys purchased by the owner of Historic (James Brown). Many of the jerseys Rudy noted that were purchased by TURTLEGIRL (AKA James Brown) were unworn "game ready" versions.

Any thoughts?

Howard Wolf
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Howard i think we exhausted talking about the Yankees Game Used Jersey topic with Historic Auctions from the last auction they had, meaning I agree with you 100% and I will take it even a step further, not only are they missing Steiner LOA'S half the Jerseys on there should be accompanied by at least Team LOA's

Most of the Jerseys are from very recent years and at this point most Jerseys that would be hitting the Market would be coming from at some point the Team, Meigray, Steiner and so on.

[allstarsplus]

Howard - I can't speak for the TURTLEGIRL situation, but like you said---it's not tough to get Yankee coded 0062 game ready jerseys.

This was a thread on the Mariano Rivera jersey that I will copy below parts of it. I also posted an old cut/paste from Steiner of perfectly tagged jersey blanks.

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Andrew,

Thanks for your note. Honestly, I have no idea whether those shirts with Lou's letters are worn or not. I have no faith in the Steiner system whatsoever, so while I believe that it is possible that they are Steiner-sold game issued shirts, I think it is entirely possible that they are gamers that Steiner never got. The majority of the evidence suggests that Steiner has little idea as to what they're doing.

Reid

Reid - When hobby veterans like you have "no faith" in the Yankees-Steiner system, it should be a sign to Steiner that they need to wake up and take a hard look at their current system.

As you state, yes there is a possibility that there are gamers that Steiner never got, but Bob Malandro would tell you that those chances are very remote.

My own theory is very simple. You have perfectly tagged gamers that don't get used that Steiner sells properly as "game issued". They also sold game issued jersey blanks. Since the Yankees don't put names on the back of their jerseys, a dealer throws a #2 or #13 on the back and you now have a Jeter or ARod. We would have to be naive to think that there are all these legitimate "light use" perfectly tagged game used jerseys of Jeter and ARod out there without Yankees-Steiner documentation.

This was the available inventory list from earlier in 2006 which now the choice sizes are all SOLD OUT!!!! Where did they all go?????

200511951520000S38 Size 38 2005 Game Issued Road Jersey
200511951520000S42 Size 42 2005 Game Issued Road Jersey
200511951420000S44 Size 44 2005 Game Issued Home Jersey
2005119515200000S46 Size 46 2005 Game Issued Road Jersey
2005119514200000S48 Size 48 2005 Game Issued Home Jersey
200511951520000S48 Size 48 2005 Game Issued Road Jersey
200511951520000S50 Size 50 2005 Game Issued Road Jersey
200511951520000S52 Size 52 2005 Game Issued Road Jersey

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As you state, yes there is a possibility that there are gamers that Steiner never got, but Bob Malandro would tell you that those chances are very remote.






Andrew,




I am absolutely certain that you are correct that this would be Bob's/Steiner's position.




Thanks for your notes and info.




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Andrew,




so while I believe that it is possible that they are Steiner-sold game issued shirts, I think it is entirely possible that they are gamers that Steiner never got. The majority of the evidence suggests that Steiner has little idea as to what they're doing.




Reid






Reid,




I would think that given the fact that you have sold and also own and are looking to sell game worn yankee jerseys post 2000 without Steiner paperwork (Clemens and Arod) that this would be your position simply to protect your investments in these jerseys.




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Dave

[kingjammy24]

at this point, i think historic/"experts sports authentication" speaks for itself. personally, i believe they make lampson look like a genius and a saint. let me offer some context here: to the best of my knowledge, historic auctions is the only auction house to ever offer post-2004 yankee shirts without steiner/team provenance. not only that, but i believe they've had post-2004 non-steiner arod, matsui, and jeter jerseys in every one of their auctions. how is it that lelands, for example, has never offered a post-2004 yankee shirt without steiner/team provenance but historic seems to have plenty?

andrew, i think your theory regarding the source of many of these shirts is likely. however, i don't think it can completely account for the sheer volumes that we're seeing. i suspect many of these shirts never even originated from steiner as blanks or game-issueds. it seems we're in an era where the supply of pro-spec jerseys is limitless.

reid's stated that steiner "has little idea as to what they're doing" and that there may be gamers that steiner never received. the former is true to a degree and the latter may be true as well. as a buyer though, how are you going to discern whether you have one of those rare, legit, yankee gamers that slipped out of the clubhouse or simply an ebay procut?

say what you will about steiner, but at a minimum, i think it's safe to say that they don't sell procuts or doctored retail shirts and the worst you'll end up with a legit game-issued jersey which is far more than you'll likely end up with buying a non-steiner yankee shirt.

it's similar to the 2003-2004 rangers "gamers" without any meigray tagging. barry meisel has said that while it's technically possible for a jersey to have escaped the meigray process, it would be very rare.
yet ebay has seen it's fair share of arod ranger "gamers" without any meigray tagging. i guess everyone bidding was banking on these jerseys being one of those rare, unlikely ones that slipped past the entire process. good luck. i'll never understand why some people feel the need to buy "an unlikely jersey" when a perfectly likely version is available.

rudy.

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Rudy-
The other auction house your forgot to mention that seems to have a nice assortment of 2004-2005 Yankees star knits void of Steiner certs/holograms is Bricol. But then again, all of these shirts have a Lampson LOA, so what's the concern?

Howard Wolf
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to the best of my knowledge, historic auctions is the only auction house to ever offer post-2004 yankee shirts without steiner/team provenance. not only that, but i believe they've had post-2004 non-steiner arod, matsui, and jeter jerseys in every one of their auctions.

andrew, i think your theory regarding the source of many of these shirts is likely. however, i don't think it can completely account for the sheer volumes that we're seeing. i suspect many of these shirts never even originated from steiner as blanks or game-issueds. it seems we're in an era where the supply of pro-spec jerseys is limitless.

rudy.

Rudy - Bricol has had them, and eBay has had plenty, and Mastro has on their current auction crisp "light use" Jeter and ARod with Lampson COAs. I called Mastronet to get more clarification and never got it. You can see my previous Post on that.

Andrew

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http://www.mastronet.com/index.cfm?action=DisplayContent&ContentName=Lot%20Information&LotIndex=65427&CurrentRow=1

[allstarsplus]

andrew, i think your theory regarding the source of many of these shirts is likely. however, i don't think it can completely account for the sheer volumes that we're seeing. i suspect many of these shirts never even originated from steiner as blanks or game-issueds. it seems we're in an era where the supply of pro-spec jerseys is limitless.

rudy.

There seems to be an endless supply of 2005 Yankee jerseys and pants as well as some other years I believe for 2 main reasons:

#1 - Steiner sold legit game issued jerseys/pants that have come back as game used with Steiner LOA
#2 - Steiner sold jersey game issued blanks in all sizes and some w/ alterations (see my earlier post of 2005 blanks they were selling)
#3 - They sold game used common player jerseys at their $99 bargain sale earlier this year that will have the hologram attached and the Jersey # is removed and replaced with a #2 or #13 or #40, etc.

Yankee jerseys are probably the easiest to fake as you only need a jersey # on the back. The jerseys don't require nameplates or #'s on the front.

Andrew