Thoughts on GU inscription?

[Eric]

Hello everyone-

I wanted to pass something along to you.

A person who is new to the hobby came across the forum, emailed me photos of a Stephen Jackson game used jersey which is currently for sale at Steve Misturini's AuthenticSports to ask my opinion before spending the money.

Mr. Misturini claimed this came from a Rams teammate and was charging $1800 for it

According to the seller, the jersey shows some good RB wear and is autographed with jackson's name, number and g/u 05. See photo below

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A few minutes of research showed that a Stephen Jackson game cut jersey was sold on ebay by NFL Auctions (rams-auctions) item # 170020206191 to user gingerine98 for $406 with this photo

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Note the lack of the inscription. Here is a side by side comparison of the jerseys.

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I sent the photos back to the buyer so he could make his own decision on what to do.

By the way, it is interesting to see the other items purchased by gingerine98 which include

170043919512 US $238.00 1990 Ozzie Smith St. Louis Cardinals Baseball Jersey gingerine98 (*) lindias
270051374120 US $54.00 2006 Mariano Rivera Game Issued Yankees Jersey STEINER gingerine98 (*) jfactory_sports
280047192594 US $199.99 1990 Vintage Authentic Cubs GREG MADDUX Jersey 44 gingerine98 (*) collector6owo
280047195504 US $199.99 1990 Vintage Authentic Cubs RYNE SANDBERG Jersey 42 gingerine98 (*) collector6owo
250050855684 US $14.95 1990 MLBB All Star Game Patch Chicago Cubs gingerine98 (*) northstarfan
220051495240 US $300.50 TIM DUNCAN GAME ISSUED/WORN #21 REEBOK JERSEY 2004/05 gingerine98 (*) sdb23
320053890801 US $81.00 2006 Carlos Zambrano Cubs Game-Issued Jersey sz.54 gingerine98 (*) nilbog57
300053547423 US $59.99 Roy Williams game issued cleats / shoes gingerine98 (*) banditboy
260057646191 US $152.50 Jorge Posada NY Yankees Game Used Road Pants 02 COA gingerine98 (*) member2064
270060596900 US $493.00 1997 Derek Jeter Game Issued Yankees Pro Cut Jersey 44 gingerine98 (*) jfactory_sports
170030433468 US $320 2004 ANTONIO GATES AUTOGRAPHED ROAD JERSEY gingerine98 (*) chargers-auctions
170036886439 US $511 2004 PHILIP RIVERS AUTOGRAPHED ROAD JERSEY gingerine98 (*) chargers-auctions

and the following, which the user bid on and did not win

230047436685 US $271.76 ALBERT PUJOLS GAME ISSUED WBC DOMINICAN REPUBLIC JERSEY iversonauthentic3 (*) amazin-mets
160047198596 US $151.99 KEN GRIFFEY JR Signed UDA REDS Away Jersey UPPER DECK neomatrix6144 (*) artistnsports
270051371121 US $138.63 1997 Darryl Strawberry Game Issued Used Yankees Jersey bang-bang.i.win.again (*) jfactory_sports
230052072880 US $178.63 NEW YORK GIANTS Authentic Game Football Helmet #10 jeff8595 (*) football-helmets
270060593794 US $232.50 1995 Don Mattingly Game Issued Yankees Pro Cut Jersey the.attic.addict (*) jfactory_sports

Thoughts?

[sandman02910]

Sadly this is not even close to the first time this type of thing has been done. A collector, especially a new one, may get a false sense of security when an item is signed with a "game used" inscription. I have gotten to the point where if I am having a game used items signed with a "game used" inscription I get pictures of the athlete signing both his autograph and the inscription. In many cases recently I have been able to videotape the signing of my items including any comments the athlete may have about the item. Obviously the photos or video would only provide a potential buyer with the fact that the athlete did indeed sign and inscribe the item and that the athlete is implying it is game used. Unfortunately some athletes will write whatever you ask them to on an item without even examining it. Others have higher standards towards the items they sign.
Kind of an impossible dream but perhaps someday MLB will intervene in all of the self proclaimed "expert authenticators" and start their own authentication company where these so called "expert authenticators" would have to pass tests in order to be certified by MLB in order to authenticate items as game used. If that certified authenticator were to pass items that were fake they could be decertified. I'm not sure how all the details would work out but anything is better than what is going on these days. As I said....an impossible dream because even MLB gets it wrong sometimes.
Thanks
Scott

[Eric]

An update-

i have confirmation that the mailing address for ebay user gingerine98 is the same as authenticsports

[allstarsplus]

Eric - That is great work. Stephen Jackson could sign 1,000 jerseys and not place the ink in the identical spot twice!!!!

A nice 443% mark-up too if he were to sell it at the $1,800 price.

Keep your eyes out for the Phillip Rivers Auto'd Rookie jersey:

170036886439 US $511 2004 PHILIP RIVERS AUTOGRAPHED ROAD JERSEY gingerine98 (*) chargers-auctions

Eric, how did you miss not picking that River's up????

Andrew

[Eric]

I guess I'm saving my money for a game used Rivers from the nfl.

I guarantee you we start to see more "interesting" Rivers, Gates, Merriman, Romo, Brees, Bush, Addai, Leinart jerseys hitting the market. Who am I missing?

[allstarsplus]

I guess I'm saving my money for a game used Rivers from the nfl.


Eric - If his jersey sells like that helmet did, you may need the Brinks truck to buy the "real" game used Rivers jersey!!! Sure to find several of the "game issued" Rivers Pro Bowl jerseys out there. Those hit the auction sites every February!!!

Andrew

[Eric]

The potential buyer of the jersey emailed me a list of the items AuthenticSports is offering. I'm not saying any of it is fake or real, but it seems interesting to see what is in the inventory.
Included on this list is the Stephen Jackson shown in this thread, and a pair of LaDainian Tomlinson throwback pants and a Marvin Harrison with a game used inscription which he will be sending me photos of
Here is the inventory list he received.
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Game Balls - 179.00
Kickoff Balls - 249.00 (w/week indication stamp - WK-1-WK-17)

GAME USED JERSEYS - Football
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Brian Urlacher - 2004 Pro Bowl Jersey - 1800.00
Marty Booker - 03 - 1300.00
Bengals:
Chad Johnson - 04 - 2300.00
Carl Pickens - 99 - 600.00
Bills:
Peerless Price – 01 – 1200.00
Eric Moulds - 03 - 1200.00
Ruben Brown - 03 - 550.00
Broncos:
John Elway - 1993 Orange Crush Jersey (winter jersey w/ hand warmers)- 6500.00
John Elway - 93 Pants - 1200.00
John Elway - 97 Pants - 1000.00
John Lynch – 04 – 1700.00
Rod Smith - 03 - 1800.00
Delta O'Neal - 03 -1100.00
Jake Plummer Pants - 500.00
Mike Anderson Pants - 350.00
Clinton Portis Hurricanes Jersey - 3300.00
Clinton Portis Hurricanes Pants - 800.00
Bucs:
Michael Pittman – 1600.00
Chargers:
LaDainian Tomlinson - 05 - 2600.00
LaDainian Tomlinson - Pants - 1100.00
LaDainian Tomlinson TB Pants - 1300.00
Quentin Jammer – pants – 650.00
Antonio Gates – 05 – 1900.00
Eric Parker - 1100.00
Drew Brees - 04 - 1500.00
Donnie Edwards - 1100.00
Junior Seau - 1996 - 2500.00
Tim Dwight - 03 - 1100.00
David Boston - 03 w/ "JB" mem. patch - 1100.00
Marcellus Wiley - 03 w/ "JB" mem. patch - 900.00
Chiefs:
Tony Gonzalez – 04 – 1800.00
Dante Hall - 03 - 1800.00
Nathan Parks - 98 - 250.00
Colts:
Peyton Manning 05 – 3300.00 SOLD
Reggie Wayne – 04 – 1900.00
Marvin Harrison - 03 - 1800.00
Edgerrin James - 05 - 1600.00
Cowboys:
Roy Williams - 03 - 2200.00
Jason Witten – 05 – 1500.00
Drew Henson – 04 Rookie – 1100.00
Emmitt Smith Pants - 700.00
Dolphins:
Dan Marino - 1991 - 3900.00
Dan Marino - 99 gw pants - 1100.00
Ricky Williams - 03 -- 2300.00
Pat Surtain - 03- 1300.00
Jay Fielder - 03 - 1300.00
Sammy Knight - 03 - 1500.00
Sam Madison - 03 - 1100.00
Zach Thomas - 00 - 900.00
Jason Taylor - 03 - 900.00
Sammy Morris - 04 - 1500.00
Brent Smith - 400.00 SOLD
Derrick Rodgers - 550.00
Scott Galyon - 450.00
Eagles:
Donovan McNabb - 03 – 3900.00
Brian Dawkins – 1600.00
Falcons:
Michael Vick - 04 - 3900.00
Michael Vick Game Worn pants - 1250.00 SOLD
Michael Vick - Game Worn Cleats - 799.00 SOLD
Michael Jenkins – 05 – 1800.00
Keith Brooking - 03 - 1800.00
Michael Vick - 2000 Virginia Tech Jersey - 4500.00
Giants:
Eli Manning – 05 – 3300.00
Michael Srahan - 03 - 1800.00
Jets:
Curtis Martin - 01 - 2300.00
Lions:
Joey Harrington - 03 - 1700.00
Roy Williams - 04 Rookie - 2200.00
Kevin Jones - 04 Rookie - 2200.00
Artose Pinner - 03 Rookie - 1100.00
Packers:
Brett Favre Practice jersey - 1500.00
Brett Favre pants - 1100.00
Ahman Green - 03 - 2200.00
Ahman Green Pants - 750.00
Donald Driver - 02 - 1500.00
Bubba Franks - 1200.00
Bubba Franks Pants - 450.00
Dorsey Levens - 99 - 750.00
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Patriots: SOLD OUT
Raiders: SOLD OUT
Rams:
Stephen Jackson – 05 – 1800.00
Marshall Faulk - 00 - 1700.00 (complete uniform - 2300.00)
Marshall Faulk - 00 pants - 750.00
Tory Holt - 03 - 1800.00
Jerome Bettis - 94 (Signed -w/75th Ann. Patch) - 2900.00
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Jamal Lewis - 03 - 2200.00
Todd Heap - 03 - 1800.00
Musa Smith - 03 Rookie - 1500.00
Peter Boulware - 1500.00
Travis Taylor - 1200.00
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Champ Bailey - 03 - 1500.00
Laveranues Coles - 03 - 1500.00
Saints:
Aaron Brooks - 03 - 1800.00
Jerome Pathon - 1100.00
Seahawks:
Marcus Trufant - 03 Rookie - 1400.00
Seneca Wallace – 03 Rookie – 1100.00
Steelers:
Rod Woodson – 97 Durene Jersey – 3200.00
Texans:
Andre Johnson – 04 – 1800.00
Titans:
Steve McNair - 02 - 1800.00
Jevon Kearse - 02 - 1200.00
Derrick Mason - 03 - 1200.00
Tyrone Calico - 03 Rookie - 1100.00
Vikings:
Michael Bennett - 03 - 1600.00
Onterrio Smith - Rookie - 03 - 1200.00
D'Wayne Bates - 03 - 650.00
Randy Moss - 2004 Issued ProBowl Jersey (not worn-did not play)- 1100.00
49ers: SOLD OUT

GAME USED HELMETS
Bengals:
Rudi Johnson - 04 - 1800.00
Broncos:
Clinton Portis - 03 - (last Broncos Helmet) - 2600.00
Cardinals:
Josh McCown - 03 Rookie - 2200.00
Chargers:
Drew Brees - 03 - 1200.00
LaDainian Tomlinson - 01 Rookie - 3300.00 SOLD
Chiefs:
Priest Holmes - 03 playoffs helmet - 3200.00
Dante Hall - 01 - 2500.00
Tony Gonzalez - 02 - 2300.00
Trent Green - 03 - 1800.00
Colts:
Reggie Wayne - 04 - 2300
Edgerrin James - 99 (Rookie) - 1800.00
Cowboys:
Quincy Carter - 03 - 1500.00 SOLD
Dolphins:
Dan Marino - 1996 - 4200.00
Ricky Williams - 03 - 3300.00
Chris Chambers - 02 - 1800.00
Junior Seau - 03 - 1800.00
Zach Thomas - 02 - 1500.00
Jason Taylor - 02 - 1500.00
Eagles:
Donovan McNabb - 03 - 2900.00
Brian Westbrook - 03 - 1800.00 SOLD
Falcons:
Keith Brooking - 01 - 1600.00
Giants:
Tiki Barber - 04 - 2200.00
Kerry Collins - 03 - 1100.00 SOLD
Jaguars:
Byron Leftwich - 03 - Rookie - 2600.00
Jets:
Chad Pennington - 04 - 2500.00
Lions:
Joey Harrington - 03 - 2300.00
Packers:
Ahman Green - 03 - 2600.00
Donald Driver - 03 - 1800.00 SOLD
Panthers: SOLD OUT
Patriots:
Tom Brady - 03 - Practice Helmet - 1800.00 SOLD
Cory Dillon – 04 – 1900.00
Deion Branch - 02 Rookie - 1900.00 SOLD
Kevin Faulk - 01 - 1900.00 SOLD
David Givens - 02 Rookie - 1900.00 SOLD
Teddy Bruschi - 01 - 1900.00 SOLD
Bethel Johnson - 03 - Rookie - 2200.00 SOLD
Ty Law - 03 - 1800.00 SOLD
Raiders:
Rod Woodson -02 - 1800.00 SOLD
Tim Brown - 02 - 2200.00 SOLD
Tyrone Wheatley - 02 - 1200.00
Lincolin Kennedy - 02 - 1100.00
Rams:
Marshall Faulk - 01 - 2600.00
Ravens:
Ray Lewis - 03-04 - 2600.00
Deion Sanders - 04 (first helmet as a Raven) - 2200.00 SOLD
Chris McAlister - 03 - 1300.00 SOLD
Todd Heap - 03 - 1800.00 SOLD
Kyle Boler - 03 Rookie - 3300.00
Redskins:
Laveranues Coles - 03 - 1800.00
Champ Bailey - 03 (last skins helmet)- 1500.00
Lavar Arrington- 01 - 1800.00 SOLD
Saints: SOLD OUT
Seahawks:
Shaun Alexander - 04 - 2600.00 SOLD
Steelers:
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Texans:
David Carr - 03 - 2300.00
Andre Johnson - Rookie - 03 - 2300.00
Vikings:

49ers: SOLD OUT


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Albert Pujols - Cardinals - gw - 3300
Alex Rodriguez - Yankees - gw - 04 Road - 3600 & Pants - 1100
Alfonso Soriano - Yankees 2003 gw Away Grey w/ 100th Anniversary Patch - 2200.00
Alfonso Soriano - Yankees 01 gw Away Grey w/ 9-11 mem. patch - 2200.00
Andruw Jones - Braves gw - 2200
Andy Pettite - Yankees 2002 gw Home Pinstripe - 2200.00
Barry Bonds - Giants gw 02- 4500
Bernie Williams - - 02 - 2800.00
Brian Giles - Padres - gw - 1500 SOLD
Barry Larkin - Reds - gw - 2200
Carlos Beltran – Mets – 1900
Carlos Delgato – Mets – 1700
Chipper Jones - Braves gw - - 2200
Curt Schilling – Red Sox – 2400
David Ortiz – Red Sox 04 – 1800
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Derrek Lee – Cubs – 1800
Gary Sheffield – Yankees – 2200 – Pants 800
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Ichiro - Mariners gw 03 - 2200
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Jeff Kent Astros - gw - 2100
Jim Thome White Sox – 2200
Joe Torre – Yankees – 1500
John Smoltz - Braves - gw - 1800
Jorge Posada Yankees – 1800 - & Pants 800
Jose Reyes – Mets – 1800
Josh Beckett - Marlins gw- 2300
Kazuo Matsui Mets - gw 04 Road- 2600
Ken Griffey Jr. - Reds - gw 03 Road- 2700
Kerry Wood - Cubs - gw - 2100
Lance Berkman - Astros - 2300
Lance Painter - Cardinals gw - 500
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Marcus Giles - Braves 04 - 1400.00
Mariano Rivera – Yankees – 2300
Mariano Rivera – Yankees – pants 900
Mariano Rivera – Yankees – glove - 2500
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Miguel Cabrera - Marlins gw - 2000
Mike Mussina - Yankees - 1500
Mike Piazza - Mets - gw - 3300
Nomar Garciaparra - Cubs - gw - 2200
Orlando Hernandez – Yankees – 1300
Paul O’Neill – Yankees – 2300
Pedro Martinez – Mets – 2600
Rafael Furcal - Atlanta gw - 1850
Rocco Baldelli - Tampa Bay gw - 1500
Roger Clemens Astros gw - 3300
Roger Clemens - Yankees 2003 gw Home Pinstripe w/ 100th Anniversary Patch - 2700.00
Ryan Dempster - Marlins gw - 400
Todd Helton - Colorado gw - 1900
Tony Gwynn - Padres - gw - 1600
Victor Martinez - Indians - gw - 1800

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Carmelo Anthony Game Worn Headband - 299.00
Lebron James 2004-05 Home Jersey - 3600.00
Lebron James Game Worn Headband - 299.00 SOLD
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Allen Iverson - 76ers Blue Alt Jersey- 2200.00 SOLD
Allen Iverson - 76ers gw shorts - 350.00
Karl Malone - Jazz 1997-98 (w/NBA Finals patch) - 2200.00
Latrell Sprewell - Timberwolves - 1100.00
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[Eric]

User gingerine98 just picked up a great
1993 Derek Jeter Yankees ROOKIE Year Jersey Pro Cut 44
Item number: 270063842404
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270063842404
Only $255

[Eric]

FYI

Ebay user gingerine98 just purchased

Brett Favre 2002 "GAME ISSUED" Auto'd Home Jersey

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$760
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and

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[PK]

Eric, I must admit those 2 sigs look very close and with all the superstar game used items that Mr. Misturini had makes me wonder a little too much about how he got them all, but after looking at the 2 Stephen Jackson sigs, they do look a little different.

I know the lighting and angles are different, but here goes and please tell me what you think as well

1. The S in Stephen on the G/U seems smudged on the bottom line and also the line he starts with on the S does not seem to go as far towards the back side of the 3

2. Where he crossed the T, on the NFL jersey, there is a little bit that goes over the T towards the rest of his name. The G/U does not seem to do that.

3. The J in jackson on the the G/U seems to be more round like an O vs. the J in the NFL jersey that seems a bit more oval. Plus if you look at the back side of the J and compare it to where the stiching is on the point of the 3, it looks like there is more gold in the

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[PK]

Sorry hit the wrong button

[quote=PK;28423]Eric, I must admit those 2 sigs look very close and with all the superstar game used items that Mr. Misturini had makes me wonder a little too much about how he got them all, but after looking at the 2 Stephen Jackson sigs, they do look a little different.

I know the lighting and angles are different, but here goes and please tell me what you think as well

1. The S in Stephen on the G/U seems smudged on the bottom line and also the line he starts with on the S does not seem to go as far towards the back side of the 3

2. Where he crossed the T, on the NFL jersey, there is a little bit that goes over the T towards the rest of his name. The G/U does not seem to do that.

3. The J in jackson on the the G/U seems to be more round like an O vs. the J in the NFL jersey that seems a bit more oval. Plus if you look at the back side of the J and compare it to where the stiching is on the point of the 3, it looks like there is more gold in the

NFL jersey. Also look at the left part of the J where it curves by the N in Stephen, the NFL jersey looks pointed and the G/U looks rounder, see point 3.

4. The last loop in Jackson also looks longer and thinner in the NFL jersey vs. the G/U

As noted, the angles and lighting a different, but the sigs do look a little different. With all that has been brought up and seeing what he has bought on ebay as non game worn then seeing all almost all the same ones on his site as game worn...one for sure has to wonder. I do not think I would purchase any from him. Thanks for all the info Eric

[Eric]

To address point #1. You're pointing out that the jersey which may have been doctored has a smudge which wasn't on the original.

If the jerseys are indeed the same, don't forget that the one sold by authenticsports has wear and the one purchased by user gingerine98 had no wear.

I think your point about the shots being at different angles is a valid one- it almost looks like the one with the g/u inscription has a different font 3, but that's an optical illusion

[Eric]

Here's a different look at it.
Don't forget, there are folds in each of the photos which throw the perspective off slightly.
Thoughts?

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[PK]

great work on the pictures Eric, what program do you use?

I agree with all the points you made with the arrows, you could almost even count the seams in the thread to match up the letters. The J's just look different to me. One looks round and the other looks more oval. I don't think the bend/fold in the jersey makes that much of a difference in making the J's different. Look at the peak in the middle of the 3, there is more gold in the top photo to where the J goes above it.

I know I might be splitting hairs, but you asked:D

The smudge in the S still interests me, maybe I will e mail him and ask if he witnessed him sign it and how the smudge got there. Is Stephen left handed? Don't see how a right handed sig would smudge there. Sharpie dries pretty quick.

[kingjammy24]

pk,

in examining things to the granular level that we're doing here, i assure you that a fold can make a huge difference as can the visual effects created by different lighting. what may appear to be a miniscule gap is simply a difference in focus. you'll notice one photo isn't as sharp as the other. this will account for a pixel's worth of difference in the "39". however, let's forget all of that and approach this from a totally different perspective.

look at the two signatures and all of their identical points. now imagine giving jackson 2 jerseys and telling him to sign each on the "3". jackson probably spends a maximum of 4 seconds on each signature. in those 4 sesconds, you genuinely believe that he could sign his name so that the T hits the edge of the twill, the T is crossed at exactly the same point, the J crosses the twill identically, the "#" is exactly the same distance from the "k", and the autograph magically ends at exactly the same point underneath the "3". you believe it's possible for all of those points to overlap perfectly without any forethought, intent, or planning in a 4 second timespan?

if you're curious about the the smudge, consider that the smudged autograph is from the jersey that "shows good rb wear". given that the jersey was originally sold as a game cut, how do you suppose that wear got there? perhaps by misturini putting on the jersey and literally rolling around in his living room. in attempting to add "good rb wear" to the jersey it's likely that that portion of the number with the autograph suffered some abrasion and got scratched off.

rudy.

[PK]

Is the sig the same? Most likel, but Eric asked and I answered. The J looks different, as do some other parts. Will we ever know for sure? I do not think so, only one person may know for sure and he most likey is just a lurker here and not going to come on here and explain.

Maybe someone else has some Jackson autos on numbers that they will post here to try and we can try to match them to the ones in question.

Do the Rams not tag or barcode their game worns? Thought I read that they did. That would put this whole thing to rest would it not?

[Eric]

PK

Don't also forget that the person who bought the stephen jackson game cut jersey with has the same street address as the person selling the one with the game used inscription

Also, here's another photo of a Stephen Jackson signed game cut from NFL Auctions
http://www.nflauction.nfl.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=77511113&prmenbr=65664914&aunbr=77857823
http://akamai.edeal.com/images/catalog4021/folder64358/img4192871.jpg

[allstarsplus]

look at the two signatures and all of their identical points. now imagine giving jackson 2 jerseys and telling him to sign each on the "3". jackson probably spends a maximum of 4 seconds on each signature. in those 4 sesconds, you genuinely believe that he could sign his name so that the T hits the edge of the twill, the T is crossed at exactly the same point, the J crosses the twill identically, the "#" is exactly the same distance from the "k", and the autograph magically ends at exactly the same point underneath the "3". you believe it's possible for all of those points to overlap perfectly without any forethought, intent, or planning in a 4 second timespan?

if you're curious about the the smudge, consider that the smudged autograph is from the jersey that "shows good rb wear". given that the jersey was originally sold as a game cut, how do you suppose that wear got there? perhaps by misturini putting on the jersey and literally rolling around in his living room. in attempting to add "good rb wear" to the jersey it's likely that that portion of the number with the autograph suffered some abrasion and got scratched off.

rudy. We all have opinions and mine is clearly that it is the same sig although the ink & smudge could have changed by a number of ways.

You can't change the location of the sig, but you can add ink, smudge ink, lighten the ink. I am now thinking that the jersey may have been washed which could explain the differences. Just an additional theory.

Andrew

[chicagoglen]

My personal opinion is these two jerseys are infact the same jersey. I think the proof is over whelming.

Good job Eric!

Glen

[Eric]

I can't take credit for the photos. I had help and appreciate the assistance from our in house photo master Rudy.
Eric

[Eric]

FYI

Ebay user gingerine98 just picked up a Brett Favre 1996 "GAME ISSUED" Away Jersey for $648

Item number: 140066021194

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140066021194

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[allstarsplus]

Funny thing about the Starter NFL jerseys. If you were at the right place at the right time, they used to sell these in the Starter outlet stores for under $100.

Andrew

[Eric]

FYI

User gingerine98 just purchased a game issued 2005 Mariano Rivera jersey for $308.03

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270071075836&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:12

2005 Mariano Rivera Yankees Game Issued Pro Cut Jersey
Size 46 w/ 2005 Tag!! EXTREMLY HARD TO OBTAIN!!

Item number: 270071075836

[Eric]

FYI

User gingerine98 just purchased a CAL RIPKEN SIGNED GAME ISSUED BALTIMORE ORIOLES JERSEY for $237.50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330071362405


Item number: 330071362405

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[Eric]

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[Eric]

FYI- user gingerine98 has just picked up a lovely #44 game used road yankees jersey (john stearns, not reggie jackson) from yankees steiner on ebay for $169.16

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260081562246


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[Eric]

FYI ebay user gingerine98 just bought some big names Yankees pro cut jerseys

They all ended on Feb 11

2003 Hideki Matsui Yankees Team Issued Pro Cut Jersey
$114.50
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270087491536
http://thmb.inkfrog.com/thumbn/jfactory/00012107_HidekiMatsui.jpg
http://thmb.inkfrog.com/thumbn/jfactory/00012107_YankeFr.jpg
http://thmb.inkfrog.com/thumbn/jfactory/00012107_HidekiMatsui_Tag.jpg

2000 Derek Jeter Yankees Team Issued Pro Cut Jersey 48+
$401.13
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270087504317
http://thmb.inkfrog.com/thumbn/jfactory/00020607_JeterRd_Bk.jpg
http://thmb.inkfrog.com/thumbn/jfactory/00020607_JeterRd_Fr.jpg
http://thmb.inkfrog.com/thumbn/jfactory/00020607_JeterRd_Tag.jpg

Roger Clemens Yankees Game Team Issued Pro Cut Jersey
$169.16
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270087504859
http://thmb.inkfrog.com/thumbn/jfactory/00020607_ClemensRd_Bk.jpg
http://thmb.inkfrog.com/thumbn/jfactory/00020607_ClemensRd_Fr.jpg
http://thmb.inkfrog.com/thumbn/jfactory/00020607_ClemensRD_Tag.jpg

Jorge Posada Yankees Game Team Issued Pro Cut Jersey
$118.50
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270087505310
http://thmb.inkfrog.com/thumbn/jfactory/00020607_PosadaRd_Bk.jpg
http://thmb.inkfrog.com/thumbn/jfactory/00020607_PosadaRd_Fr.jpg
http://thmb.inkfrog.com/thumbn/jfactory/00020607_PosadaRd_Tag.jpg

[Neely8]

Hello everyone-

I wanted to pass something along to you.

A person who is new to the hobby came across the forum, emailed me photos of a Stephen Jackson game used jersey which is currently for sale at Steve Misturini's AuthenticSports to ask my opinion before spending the money.

Mr. Misturini claimed this came from a Rams teammate and was charging $1800 for it

According to the seller, the jersey shows some good RB wear and is autographed with jackson's name, number and g/u 05. See photo below

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A few minutes of research showed that a Stephen Jackson game cut jersey was sold on ebay by NFL Auctions (rams-auctions) item # 170020206191 to user gingerine98 for $406 with this photo

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Note the lack of the inscription. Here is a side by side comparison of the jerseys.

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I sent the photos back to the buyer so he could make his own decision on what to do.

The autos look similar but not identical to me. The "J" in Jackson looks more oval in one while the other looks more round. Also, the straight, downward part of the "9" looks to curve slightly to the left in one while goes straight down in the other.

[allstarsplus]

I see what you are talking about with the "J" but that is probably the illusion of the 1st jersey being flat and the one with the g/u 2005 inscription being propped up on something causing a change of angles. If you look at the location of each twist and turn in relation to the stitch marks the signatures seem to line up perfectly.

The statistical probability signing thru the same stitch marks seems very very remote in my opinion.

Andrew

[Eric]

FYI ebay used gingerine98 picked up some great issued items

Michael Jordan #45 Chicago Bulls Un-Used Game Jersey
Original 1994/95 Issue jersey from Champion- $937
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270097125457

<WTA>Serena Williams 2006 GAME ISSUED NIKE Dress skirt $49.99
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200093266281

Decals used for Denver Broncos helmets- $13.00
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260095229081

[Eric]

Gingerine98 also picked up

1998 Derek Jeter Game Issued NY Yankees Road Jersey 48" $355
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270103746843

[allstarsplus]

I just got my Hunt Auction Catalog yesterday and there are 3 "game used" Yankees jerseys with no Steiner hologram in sight! I wonder if they can be matched up to any we have seen out there.

They have the big 3====Clemens, Jeter and Matsui of course!

......and LOA's from MEARS on the Clemens and Matsui and LOU LAMPSON on the Jeter!!! The Matsui got a low A4 rating from MEARs and not sure about the other two jerseys.

http://www.huntauctions.com/phone/imageviewer.cfm?auction_num=40&lot_num=835

http://www.huntauctions.com/phone/imageviewer.cfm?auction_num=40&lot_num=836

http://www.huntauctions.com/phone/imageviewer.cfm?auction_num=40&lot_num=8

http://www.huntauctions.com/phone/img40/8.jpg

[David]

My opinion is that any minor differences between the two signatures in question can be due to the different angle of the shots (one was shot about head on, the other at more of an angle) and that the jersey surfaces have different bends (neither were pulled flat). To me they appear to be the same signature.

[suave1477]

My opinion on the Yankees Clemens Game Used Jersey.

First of all wasn't it explained here on the forum that it is normal for Clemens to cut the tags out of his Jerseys?

Second of all the Jersey and Patches look crisp and Brand New.
Look at the tags for the extra inches - They are crisp and sharp / the ink is dark as if it was brand new.

I have a World Series Yankees Game Used Jersey and from it being washed shows even the patches do lose some integrity, the tags lose some color and are not perfectly straight and crisp.

Just my opinion.

[Eric]

FYI-

I have gotten confirmation from numerous sources that Steve Misturini is now buying under the ebay name an1147

So now that makes three ebay accounts
gingerine98- which often purchases game issued items which are sent to the AuthenticSports mailing address

Authsprts- where he sells his items for AuthenticSports

an1147 which has purchased some interesting issued items which were paid for by Steve Misturini and are being sent to the AuthenticSports mailing address

Here's what an1147 has purchased recently

2001 Derek Jeter Game Issued Yankees Road Jersey 48 +2"
Item number: 270140535969

w/ Black Armband/AL 100th Anniv Patch/911 Flag Patch!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270140535969
$561.00
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/misc/DerekJeter2001GI_Bk.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/misc/DerekJeter2001GI_Fr.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/misc/DerekJeter2001GI_Tag.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/misc/DerekJeter2001GI_Tag2.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/misc/ChristianParker2001_Patch.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/misc/ChristianParker2001_Flag.jpg
2006 Alex Rodriguez Game Issued Yankees Road Jersey
Item number: 270140538867
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270140538867
$571.00
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/misc/AlexRodriguez2006GI__Bk.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/misc/AlexRodriguez2006GI_Fr.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/misc/AlexRodriguez2006GI_Tag.jpg

Roy Williams Cowboys Game used/ issued jersey?
Grey Flannel LOA
Item number: 160135309815
$281.88
seller states "MY OPINION, this jersey is not game worn and is only a team issued, at best, so i'm selling it as is with absolutely no refunds. Maybe you can see something on it that i don't, but there is not an ounce of game wear anywhere on this shirt that i can see so bid accordingly that this is PROBABLY team issued and not game worn."
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160135309815
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/misc/d917_1.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/misc/d8f5_1.jpg
2002 Mariano Rivera Yankees Game Issued Road Jersey
Item number: 270143304746
$157.50
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270143304746
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/misc/MarianoRiveraPro_Bk.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/misc/MarianoRiveraPro_Tag.jpg
Ichiro Suzuki 2006 Seattle Mariners un-used game jersey
0062 wash tag, 2006 year tag, size 44
Item number: 270147832916
$520.00
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270147832916
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/misc/e4f4_1.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/misc/e5ac_1.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/misc/e664_1.jpg
Derek Jeter 2002 NY Yankees un-used game jersey STEINER
Item number: 270148733001
$112.50
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270148733001
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/misc/0d7c_1.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/misc/0ecf_1.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s194/ecky3/misc/0e08_1.jpg
Bonus! It comes with a Steiner hologram

ROGER CLEMENS YANKEES GAME ISSUED JERSEY 2001 SZ 54

Item number: 300115967017
$181.38
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300115967017
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[Eric]

Interesting note-

The buyer who was originally interested in the Stephen Jackson doctored game issue jersey which started this thread was also sent photos by Steve Misturini of Authentic Sports of the Marvin Harrison "game used" jersey currently in the Bricol Auction.

Those photos were then sent to me for my opinion.

Does it look like the signature and the words "game used" were written by the same pen?
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I have an email in to Brian Collard. I will let people know what he says...

Here's the Bricol homepage. It is listed as Lot 4
http://www.bricolsportsauction.com/default.cfm
0000000004 MARVIN HARRISON INDIANAPOLIS COLTS 2004 AUTOGRAPHED GAME USED ROAD JERSEY AND PANTS
Eric

[Capital-Sports]

Crazy stuff