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stasman
02-09-2014, 04:56 PM
Just picked this up... A '90-91 Chicago White Sox Frank Thomas game used and signed cap. One of my new favorites

stasman
02-09-2014, 05:02 PM
Does PSA or any other company verify game used/ worn items? Although this has a Coa, I was wondering if Psa does it for a fee? Thanks

johnsontravis@ymail.com
02-09-2014, 05:43 PM
Does PSA or any other company verify game used/ worn items? Although this has a Coa, I was wondering if Psa does it for a fee? Thanks

I know some company will do it, but you have to meet some sort of criteria

sox83cubs84
02-09-2014, 09:43 PM
If that's an all black cap, the only time they wore those in 1990 were during the last homestand of the season. The standard 1990 style was navy with a red brim. If you want an authentication done, contact me privately t the location shown below.

Dave Miedema
sox83cubs84@hotmail.com

joelsabi
02-10-2014, 02:23 AM
tags inside the cap consistent with 1990 caps as one factor.

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showpost.php?p=219031&postcount=23

stasman
02-10-2014, 04:20 AM
Thanks for the info. Yes, it's all black and from the 90-91 season. I know frank played late his Rookie year. So far it seems to match up as being from his rookie season. :)

stasman
02-11-2014, 04:54 PM
I'm pretty excited...after doing some research and getting info from other members. I am now confident that this is a frank thomas game worn ROOKIE cap. The tagging in the hat makes it from 1990 and the Sox only wore the black caps their last homestead of that year Sept 3-5.
The Big Hurt has always been one of my favorite players and with him going into the HOF this year makes this a Great item of his! Thanks again for all the help members.

Nnunnari
02-11-2014, 06:37 PM
Didn't Thomas wear #15 as a rookie?

bgakladd
02-11-2014, 06:47 PM
Baseball Almanac shows him wearing both #15 and #35 in 1990.

TwinLakesPark
02-11-2014, 08:27 PM
I can't speak to the cap, but I would suggest sending it to PSA for the autograph, which does NOT look good. I have a dozen of in person signatures of his from that time period and I see 5 bad spots.

stasman
02-12-2014, 06:32 AM
I obtained it from Ball Park Heroes. I'm confident it's an authentic auto, but you can never be 100% unless you actually had it signed. I might take it to the March show in Chicago and have it authenticated.

nycpropain
02-12-2014, 07:13 AM
I second that auto looking fake. I have never seen one like that from the big hurt.

Roady
02-12-2014, 08:36 AM
think the auto looks like his early autographs.

Here is a 1991 Arena Thomas autographed card.

Roady
02-12-2014, 08:43 AM
Here is another one authenticated by PSA

stasman
02-12-2014, 09:33 AM
It is a unique auto from Frank. It is very early in his career and being that tagging on the hat checks out I believe the auto is legit too. This was Franks first year and this hat would have been his first black,White Sox hat and his first #35 hat. I think this is a legit Thomas piece. A 1/1. Good thread of info everyone. Thanks.

otismalibu
02-12-2014, 09:36 AM
Big Hurt
Small Melon

TwinLakesPark
02-12-2014, 09:41 AM
It is a unique auto from Frank. It is very early in his career and being that tagging on the hat checks out I believe the auto is legit too. This was Franks first year and this hat would have been his first black,White Sox hat and his first #35 hat. I think this is a legit Thomas piece. A 1/1. Good thread of info everyone. Thanks.

I will make a deal with you. Send it in to PSA/DNA for authentication of the signature. If it comes back real (which it will not), I will pay the authentication fee.

stasman
02-12-2014, 10:01 AM
Thanks for the offer. I probably will take it to the March show and let you know. But I wouldn't take money from a senior member. I will definitely let you know. The hat belonged to a team employee and had it personally signed in 90, then BPH purchased it many years ago. Kim from BPH said he has had the hat in his possession for a very long time and actually forgot about it until recently so there has only been 2 owners. All the tagging on the hat is correct for the era.

Roady
02-12-2014, 10:27 AM
I will make a deal with you. Send it in to PSA/DNA for authentication of the signature. If it comes back real (which it will not), I will pay the authentication fee.

Why not let the guy enjoy his hat without all the doom and gloom?
Why didn't you just message him about the auto if you are so concerned instead of raining on his parade in the thread.

stasman
02-12-2014, 10:38 AM
Thanks Roady. No worries.. I like to hear both sides of this thread so I can judge for myself. members always have ideas or links that help me better learn the hobby. I've been a collector for 30 years and learn new things everyday. I am excited about this hat and I will display it well in my collection. There are always two sides to autograph collecting and even PSA gets it wrong sometimes. Thanks

Roady
02-12-2014, 11:17 AM
Thanks Roady. No worries.. I like to hear both sides of this thread so I can judge for myself. members always have ideas or links that help me better learn the hobby. I've been a collector for 30 years and learn new things everyday. I am excited about this hat and I will display it well in my collection. There are always two sides to autograph collecting and even PSA gets it wrong sometimes. Thanks

I shouldn't have butted in when you can take care of yourself.
Sorry TwinLakesPark for my tone.

stasman
02-12-2014, 12:08 PM
Thanks for the back up. Always appreciated. Go Sox

TwinLakesPark
02-12-2014, 12:36 PM
One of the very few things i dislike about this site is the overwhelming negativity, especially since I am an optimist and the glass is always half full. I can see how I just participated in that and I just threw up in my mouth.

With that said, I grew up in Sarasota, FL, the former spring training home of the White Sox and single A affiliate, Sarasota White Sox. I watched Frank come through the single A team on his way up, and then got to watch him in Spring Training every year until 95. I was a kid then and was at the park every day, through work outs and games.

What is really sad is that so many adults during that time (who had clubhouse access) tried to scam a group of us kids that hung around the clubhouse and fields, in which we were always getting bats from the players. I can't count how many times guys would come out of the clubhouse with a hand full of singed balls (by FT) and would try to trade us for the bats we had gotten that day. All of them were fake. It was happening so much that we got really good at picking out which ones were fake. Frank even came out to us one day after an extended work out and asked to see some of the fake balls, which then got security involved who then revoked the clubhouse credentials of the guys who were doing it.

When I saw that autograph, specifically the sharpness of the "3", sharpness of the "5", the peak of the "F", and the cross line that he makes between the F and T, it triggered some flash backs that got me really fired up.

Sorry to rain on the parade, I just called it how I saw it.

stasman
02-12-2014, 02:55 PM
No problem Twinlakespark. I always appreciate other members views and comments. If I wasn't interested I wouldn't post. Your concerns and advise are well taken. I take all the comments into consideration and I learn more and more with each thread and post. I enjoy GUU for that exact reason. Thank you for taking time and giving your opinion. Go Sox.

stasman
02-12-2014, 03:47 PM
I just found a 2011 MEARS auction where a 1990 sox game worn Thomas helmet was sold and in the helmet is the 35 written the same as in my hat. And both are 7 1/8.

Nnunnari
02-12-2014, 04:16 PM
You would think a fake wouldn't have the pen run off the bill of the cap like that.

stasman
02-12-2014, 04:51 PM
Good point. Looking like I may have his Rookie hat. WOW!!!!

Hoosier39
02-12-2014, 07:58 PM
Nice thing is, if you find a problem with the hat or auto, I'm sure BPH's won't have an issue giving you a refund. They're pretty stand up.

stasman
02-12-2014, 08:41 PM
Kim at BPH is confident it's the real deal.

stasman
02-13-2014, 08:01 AM
Frank Thomas will be at the March Show in Chicago. I have his H.S. Yearbook, maybe I will pay to have him sign the yearbook then show him the hat and see what he says.

Chess2899
02-13-2014, 08:40 AM
I concur with the autograph. It doesn't look good to me. Of course, I don't know if his rookie autograph was different.

stasman
02-13-2014, 09:15 AM
His rookie auto is a lot different then today. I've seen similar autos of his from the 1990's.

stasman
02-13-2014, 12:47 PM
Here's a 1990 photo of Frank wearing the black Sox cap

cekirsch129
02-13-2014, 01:27 PM
Here's a 1990 photo of Frank wearing the black Sox cap

Is this a photo match to yours?

stasman
02-13-2014, 02:18 PM
Really hard to tell. This is him in the dugout in 1990. I'm trying to find a photo of the other side of his hat. My hat has a seam separation,I could match if I find a photo of the other side

Chess2899
02-13-2014, 05:17 PM
Frank Thomas will be at the March Show in Chicago. I have his H.S. Yearbook, maybe I will pay to have him sign the yearbook then show him the hat and see what he says.


I would just give him the hat as a gift. He would appreciate having it for his grandkids down the road. It is better to give than receive.

PAC
02-13-2014, 06:15 PM
Signature is definitely wonky.

onlyalbert
02-13-2014, 07:15 PM
I think the sig is auth based on the 35 that is on the hat and the 35 Frank wrote in his sig. Look at how the top of the 3 starts on both and also the top of the 5. I'm no handwriting expert but the stroke to create both seem to match.

onlyalbert
02-13-2014, 07:18 PM
My only concern might be the size. That seems awfully small for Thomas.......

Hoosier39
02-13-2014, 09:31 PM
I would just give him the hat as a gift. He would appreciate having it for his grandkids down the road. It is better to give than receive.

You're just kidding right?

stasman
02-14-2014, 05:36 AM
Here's a example of an old Thomas Auto.

stasman
02-14-2014, 05:38 AM
Old autograph of Frank

stasman
02-14-2014, 05:41 AM
Sorry tried posting a photo 2 times and it's not working. Must be having site problems.

stasman
02-14-2014, 01:00 PM
Here's the older auto from Frank

stasman
02-14-2014, 01:01 PM
Still won't upload photo. Ugh!!!

AWA85
02-14-2014, 01:24 PM
Is the photo file too big to be uploaded? You may have to have it resized or saved in a different format.

stasman
02-14-2014, 01:29 PM
I don't think so. Hmmmmm??

AWA85
02-14-2014, 01:34 PM
If you want to email the photo or the link to me, I will give it a shot.

AWA85@live.com

stasman
02-14-2014, 01:39 PM
Yep. It was a size issue. Thanks.

stasman
02-14-2014, 02:48 PM
Here's the photo of the old 1990 Frank Thomas Signature. Very similar to the one on my cap.

CollectGU
02-14-2014, 05:25 PM
1990 white sox team signed with Frank Thomas:

CollectGU
02-14-2014, 05:27 PM
trying again:

stasman
02-14-2014, 05:38 PM
That team ball signature looks pretty close. Especially the long line in a Frank that crosses the K. :)

stasman
02-14-2014, 05:50 PM
So I've been reading all of these members posts good and bad. Many of you have helped by giving me links and photos. What I've been able to determine is that the hat is definitely from 1990 and the black White Sox cap was worn during their last homestead. The size is consistent with the size Thomas wore in 1990. He wore 2 numbers that year and started wearing his # 35 at that time. His rookie signature is a lot different then today's signature and the one on the hat is consistent with some of your photos. I feel very confident that this hat is Frank Thomas's Rookie 1990 game worn/ signed hat. With Frank going into the HOF this hat is a incredible find. I'm very excited to own this hat. Thanks all members for your input. Go Sox

Chess2899
02-14-2014, 05:57 PM
So I've been reading all of these members posts good and bad. Many of you have helped by giving me links and photos. What I've been able to determine is that the hat is definitely from 1990 and the black White Sox cap was worn during their last homestead. The size is consistent with the size Thomas wore in 1990. He wore 2 numbers that year and started wearing his # 35 at that time. His rookie signature is a lot different then today's signature and the one on the hat is consistent with some of your photos. I feel very confident that this hat is Frank Thomas's Rookie 1990 game worn/ signed hat. With Frank going into the HOF this hat is a incredible find. I'm very excited to own this hat. Thanks all members for your input. Go Sox

Yes, it looks like you have an incredible find. Anything rookie from Frank Thomas is sweet. Congrats!

stasman
02-14-2014, 06:24 PM
Here is a great photo of him in 1990. The dimples on both sides of his hat match the dimples on my hat.

stasman
02-14-2014, 06:29 PM
You can see the dimples on the side of my hat

bgakladd
02-14-2014, 06:38 PM
A few more pics, notice the #5 that is signed a second time on the card. Completely different than the first he wrote and if tilted looks like the one on your hat. The signature on the bat is real close to yours.

bgakladd
02-14-2014, 06:40 PM
Sorry...here are the pics.....

stasman
02-14-2014, 06:45 PM
Thanks for the pics...that's more good news. I've been a Frank fan my whole life and when I had the chance to pick this up recently I jumped on it. I've never seen one of his rookie hats before.

cfern023
02-14-2014, 11:27 PM
Use the seams on the front of the hat, and the SoX logo to photo match it. Te O looks to be in the same exact place- so it might be the exact same hat.

Congrats!

nycpropain
02-15-2014, 07:34 AM
While I have seen their opinion change, the autograph failed quick opinion. I had a few unused credits and I got the email yesterday likely not genuine. So take it for what its worth.

stasman
02-15-2014, 08:50 AM
Thank you for the quick opinion credit. I do appreciate that. It is an unusual auto but the hat and tagging has passed all checks so I'm confident the auto is good too. I'm going to bring it to an expert for a examination. Auto's are always subject to interpretation but the hat itself is solid.

stasman
02-15-2014, 11:49 AM
If there is doubt on the auto, I'll just get frank to sign it again at the sports show. Then with a photo of him signing its a no doubter. Go Sox.

CollectGU
02-15-2014, 01:46 PM
I think some of the people here might be able to help you photomatch the hat using stitching seam placement, etc., Do that and opinions on the autograph are moot....

stasman
02-15-2014, 01:59 PM
I agree. I'm trying to find a picture of Frank in Sept 1990 showing the right side of his hat. This hat has a seam that blew out about 3 or 4 stitches near the front of the hat.

stasman
02-15-2014, 02:05 PM
Here's a close up of the broken seam on the hat. It's on the right side front seam about 1/2 way up. Looking for any photos of a Frank in late 1990 showing this or matching seams for a photo match. Big THANK YOU if you can help me.

stasman
02-15-2014, 02:07 PM
Here's a close up of the front stitching.

akrover
02-15-2014, 03:26 PM
Well, it's definitely not a match to the picture on the previous page. The O's are in different places on the seam.

stasman
02-15-2014, 04:16 PM
Yep. Still looking for a good side shot with that broken seam.

stasman
02-22-2014, 10:40 AM
Taking the hat for authentication today....fingers crossed.

Phil316
02-22-2014, 11:04 AM
To whom are you taking it to for authentication?

stasman
02-22-2014, 12:12 PM
Dave miedema.

Hoosier39
02-22-2014, 12:15 PM
Dave miedema.

To authenticate the hat or the auto?

stasman
02-22-2014, 12:23 PM
Just the hat. If the hats legit, I'm taking it to the March show to have frank sign it personally.

stasman
02-22-2014, 05:15 PM
Great news!!!! the hat was authenticated by Dave as being Frank Thomas's Rookie game worn hat... Next up..bringing it to the show in Chicago and having Frank see it and sign it again.

Juan Gris
02-22-2014, 06:25 PM
Do you not believe the signature under the brim is not authentic? Are you going to have him sign next to the old signature? Congrats on the authentication!

stasman
02-22-2014, 06:48 PM
Thanks. I am so excited to own my favorite player and HOF'ers Rookie hat. I believe the auto is good ( because like Dave said) why would you fake an auto on a real hat. I want to show Frank and now have his rookie auto and HOF auto on the same item. ;)

Phil316
02-22-2014, 07:05 PM
Your true test will come when you go head to head with "The Big Hurt". I would love to see the look on his face when you present it to him to get signed. If you can, make sure to get a picture with him holding the hat. You will be thankful later. Congrats.

stasman
02-22-2014, 08:00 PM
Definitely!!!! A picture of Frank holding his rookie hat. Priceless. :)

Melissa1334
02-22-2014, 09:11 PM
congrats and id get it signed again anyways because i rather have the sig on top of the brim , for display purposes.

Hoosier39
02-22-2014, 09:48 PM
If the sig was bad, I'd be really tempted to send it back to BPH's for a refund, but that's just me. I really wouldn't want a hat that had a bad sig, along with a good sig on it.

That might not bother you, and if not, great. That wouldn't go well with me and the hat would be going back to the seller.

stasman
02-23-2014, 06:13 AM
No proof that it's a bad sig. Some on GUU say its good some say it's got inconsistencies, I think it's good. Anybody have an idea what it's value would be?

Roady
02-23-2014, 11:04 AM
congrats and id get it signed again anyways because i rather have the sig on top of the brim , for display purposes.

I think the sig is good that is on it but I like this idea. And have him add rookie game used.

cekirsch129
02-23-2014, 11:13 AM
Definitely!!!! A picture of Frank holding his rookie hat. Priceless. :)

Or better yet, him wearing it! lol

salukidave
02-23-2014, 03:01 PM
To each their own, but I'd think twice about having Frank sign it a second time. Once is enough. I'd be more interested in photo-matching the hat. The team only wore that style in its final series so I'm guessing Frank only wore one of those hats in 1990, but, of course, he could have worn more than one, too.

Frank did wear a small size so that checks out. He also spelled out all of his letters in his autograph very early in his career, but that hat could have been signed a bit later or when he was in a bit of a rush.

stasman
02-23-2014, 04:10 PM
Thanks Salukidave. I'm thinking twice about the re-auto because I'm pretty confident it's his auto. I want him to see it but I really don't want to spend $135 for a premium auto at the upcoming show just for him to check it out. It would be great to take a photo with him and his rookie hat.

PAC
02-23-2014, 04:12 PM
I'd be more interested in photo-matching the hat. The team only wore that style in its final series so I'm guessing Frank only wore one of those hats in 1990

People have already posted multiple pics of him in his black 1990 cap, and it's definitely not the same one. No way they issued multiple caps to a rookie for a single series, during that time period he was lucky he even got one. This is probably a cap used by Joe Nobody that someone got signed by Frank later on. Then they added the 35 above his sig, and boom, Big Hurt gamer. Look at the 35 on top, how it's really dark and shaky, like someone was writing it slowly while trying to copy the 35 in his signature.

stasman
02-23-2014, 04:19 PM
Believe it or not I'm having a hard time finding photos of frank during those last home games where I could clearly photo match the hat. Especially because this one has a small seam separation. Based on the wear on the hat, I'm sure this was the hat he probably wore all 6 games.

PAC
02-23-2014, 04:21 PM
Also on the 35 above his sig, notice how dark and fresh the ink is. So much darker than the signature's ink, even though it was supposedly written before the signature. No fading, no dirt on top of it. After the sweat, sunlight, dirt, etc. the ink wouldn't still be that dark. That 35 looks like it was just written a couple years ago...not 24 years ago.

stasman
02-23-2014, 04:23 PM
PAC, all the tagging and stitching matches 1990 Sox hats. It has now been authenticated twice and BPH obtained it directly from a clubhouse attendant who had the hat in his possession since 1990. It might not photo match the hat at the time of a photo, but it's COA, LOA and chain of custody are solid.

stasman
02-23-2014, 04:28 PM
The hat is dirty and soiled, and if he only wore it for 6 games and the clubhouse guy got it and stored it properly this is what I would think it would look like. I'm confident this is Franks Rookie Worn cap. If anybody knows of another way to authenticate a 1990 cap, please let me know. I guess 3 coa's would be better then 2. But I'm very happy with my 2 COA and LOA.

Chess2899
02-23-2014, 04:29 PM
Stasman-How much do you want for the hat........cash.....no questions asked

stasman
02-23-2014, 04:42 PM
Hi Chess. I'm so excited to have this, I don't think I could sell it. I've been a small time collector for almost 30 years and this may just be the " holy grail" of my collection. I've always heard stories about great autograph card pulls or finding a rare item at a flea market, well, I think this was my incredible find. I know it's not a million dollar piece, but for my wife and I being Big Hurt fans his whole career, we are very excited to own this. I believe it could be the only Rookie Thomas hat out there. :)

gucollector
02-23-2014, 04:43 PM
Stasman-How much do you want for the hat........cash.....no questions asked

$250 cash just for this thread to end...

stasman
02-23-2014, 04:48 PM
Sorry GUCollector. Just excited to have this. :)

Roady
02-23-2014, 04:50 PM
Sorry GUCollector. Just excited to have this. :)

Don't pay attention or give hateful people the satisfaction. This thread is interesting.

Phil316
02-23-2014, 05:00 PM
I agree with Roady on this one.

He has had 2 people whom have been in the business longer than most of us check it out. The 2 people have actually held the hat and looked it over not just through a CPU screen. If there was any concern it would have been raised already by those 2.

I say enjoy your grail. Bring it to Frank have him take a look at it. Even if you get something else signed you can still show it to him.

gucollector
02-23-2014, 05:01 PM
Oh fellows I am not hateful. Just cant believe we are about to hit the big #100 posts about a Frank Thomas hat. Honestly, its a fine item... I would love to add a gem like this to my collection one day. Hope we can dig up a photo match soon!

stasman
02-23-2014, 05:05 PM
Thanks Phil316.

stasman
02-23-2014, 05:10 PM
This is why I really enjoy GUU. I can talk to other collectors who have more experience and knowledge then me. I have learned a lot from you guys on this thread.

Chess2899
02-23-2014, 05:16 PM
Don't pay attention or give hateful people the satisfaction. This thread is interesting.


yes, it is a thrill to find a gem. I have collected for 40 years and have found one gem in a pile of rocks. I found Mike Schmidt's jersey that he hit his last HR with on May 2, 1989. I saw him at a show and he confirmed it to me. He wondered what had happened to that jersey. He told me he was planning to retire and was saving every jersey in 1989 after he hit a homer but that one disappeared. I even asked him if he wanted it back. but he said no and signed it on the back as his last HR jersey which was really nice.

be proud and I hope Frank gives you the same treatment.

stasman
02-23-2014, 05:18 PM
Love that story. It is a great feeling when you know you have a very unique item.

icollectDCsports
02-23-2014, 05:27 PM
1. The Cap: I can't add to what folks who've seen it have said. It's likely good and I think you should feel about confident as you can without a photo match, which can be difficult with caps.

2. The autograph: I am not an autograph expert, but I think the signature looks good base on other signatures I've seen. Remember, signing the underside of the brim of a baseball cap isn't like signing a nice, smooth paper item or photo. Particularly because of the raised stitching. And items like these are often signed while the player is standing and holding with one hand while signing with the other, sometimes while in a rush. All of this can lead to a signature that's not going to look like a signed photo.

3. Getting the cap signed again: It's your cap, and of course you should do what YOU want with it. If it were mine, I'd keep it as is. Given the assumption that this is Thomas's rookie cap and he has already signed it, probably around the time it was worn, I think it's perfect. You have a vintage signature on a vintage, worn cap, and the signature is on the place I prefer on a cap: underneath the brim. (I like game worn items to appear, for display purposes, exactly as they left the field, while placing any autographs in places that wouldn't have been seen by those watching the game, such as underneath the brim of a cap or down by the tags on a jersey. Different collectors have different preferences concerning this, and your preference is the one that counts for your item.) Overall, I think putting a modern signature on an item like this would detract from its vintage feel.

stasman
02-23-2014, 05:32 PM
Thanks icollectdcsports..good info and advise. I think I will keep it as is and bring it with me to the show.

Roady
02-23-2014, 05:33 PM
yes, it is a thrill to find a gem. I have collected for 40 years and have found one gem in a pile of rocks. I found Mike Schmidt's jersey that he hit his last HR with on May 2, 1989. I saw him at a show and he confirmed it to me. He wondered what had happened to that jersey. He told me he was planning to retire and was saving every jersey in 1989 after he hit a homer but that one disappeared. I even asked him if he wanted it back. but he said no and signed it on the back as his last HR jersey which was really nice.

be proud and I hope Frank gives you the same treatment.

Great story and a testament to your and Schmidt's character.

Steeleraddict
02-23-2014, 05:33 PM
Stasman, enjoy your cap. I know that excited feeling of getting a holy grail item. And that's why we collect and why there's this message board.
And 11 pages on his cap is impressive. I had no idea and had to check out what the fuss was about.
I havent looked at the pics yet and have no dog in this fight. Hate dog fighting. So i will say this. I do find that there are just plain haters, jealous people out there who will call everything fake except their own gear. That essentially they believe that they have the only real stuff or the right connections. They're the ones pushing me away from collecting or sharing. But also on this board there are more people that are just trying to help you out in authenticating it. And don't want you duped when selling or can get a refund etc. Or even expose the fraudulent party. They are well intentioned.
So congrats to you and your wife on your holy grail!! It's a great feeling.

stasman
02-23-2014, 05:36 PM
Thanks steeleraddict.

Roady
02-23-2014, 05:37 PM
3. Getting the cap signed again: It's your cap, and of course you should do what YOU want with it. If it were mine, I'd keep it as is. Given the assumption that this is Thomas's rookie cap and he has already signed it, probably around the time it was worn, I think it's perfect. You have a vintage signature on a vintage, worn cap, and the signature is on the place I prefer on a cap: underneath the brim. (I like game worn items to appear, for display purposes, exactly as they left the field, while placing any autographs in places that wouldn't have been seen by those watching the game, such as underneath the brim of a cap or down by the tags on a jersey. Different collectors have different preferences concerning this, and your preference is the one that counts for your item.) Overall, I think putting a modern signature on an item like this would detract from its vintage feel.
After reading this post, I am going to change my mind on getting re-signed. I though it would be good to have a signature on the top of the brim with game used but I have agree with this post. It is perfect the way it is.

stasman
02-23-2014, 05:43 PM
I agree Roady. I think I'm going to keep it as is too. Especially after the 2 examinations and many positive feedbacks on GUU about the auto.

Steeleraddict
02-23-2014, 06:20 PM
When I compare the images. Especially the two in post 56 vs 68, like someone prev stated the "O" on the front "sox" looks a little off to me.

Is the image in post 56 suppose to be the same as yours? Meaning the one he wore in his rookie season in that very last series where they only wore all black. I want to get the facts straight. When compared to the closeup of your cap here's what i would look at....

In the "stock" or real image (for lack of better term)
1. In the stock photo the bottom point of the O appears to be on the seam or slightly to the left. In yours the bottom point of the "O" (or the bottom peak) looks to be to the right of the seam/thread.
2. In the stock photo the point of the O at the 8 o'clock position also appears to be to the left of the seam. Yours looks as if it is right on the seam or slightly to the right of the thread making up the seam.
3. The entire "O" in the real photo looks to be more to the left , where your right edge is def more to the right of the seam. But hard to tell the other points and edges without more closeups. With the thread of the seam is more clear.

Again I have no dog in this fight so won't speculate...ie. On the amount of wear in six days? Or if the sig is real because they are both subjective.
But objectively I would target the placement of the "O" as previously mentioned. Did the two experts comment on this? Maybe post different closeups of your cap to compare. I hope it's legit

stasman
02-23-2014, 06:26 PM
No. Those images were undated in a Franks early career. I just posted them as similar caps. I am still trying to find a close up of him in the last 6 games showing the right side of his cap. The pictures I posted are not photo match.

Chess2899
02-23-2014, 06:50 PM
You guys are 100% right in leaving the autograph where it is. I have a rookie jersey but wasn't thrilled on where he signed his autograph at the time 27 years ago because I am a perfectionist at times and want my autographs in a certain place. Also, his autograph looked different in his rookie year than later on. I briefly contemplated having him resign this year but then realized that it would mess up the originality of his rookie jersey and signature.

I believe your Thomas auto is authentic. Pay the extra money and get a picture with you and him holding his rookie cap (DNA). He will confrim the auto. When you get home, put it in a very safe place. You will have the picture if you want to see it everyday.

Steeleraddict
02-23-2014, 07:54 PM
My bad. Could have sworn someone compared the fronts to photo match. And said the "O" was off. And that they were being compared.regardless...

I would leave it alone, enjoy it, cherish it. And I wouldn't get another sig on a GU cap. Get a pic with him and hopefully he can confirm it.MLB has old games but I doubt if the definition is there.

akrover
02-23-2014, 08:24 PM
My bad. Could have sworn someone compared the fronts to photo match. And said the "O" was off. And that they were being compared.regardless...

I would leave it alone, enjoy it, cherish it. And I wouldn't get another sig on a GU cap. Get a pic with him and hopefully he can confirm it.MLB has old games but I doubt if the definition is there.

I said that the O's were off. But that picture of Thomas could be from later on. The OP's hat being a match to that photo would have been gravy, but it's not matching in no way makes it bad. That's not what I was saying. Just that it wasn't a match. And, where the photo isn't dated, I guess a match wouldn't even conclusively prove it was a rookie hat. But, someone will find some pics of those last rookies series'. Why wouldn't we all be hoping the hat is real? I certainly hope it is!

Another thought, where those hats were brand new before the end of the season (and became beyond extremely popular iirc), is it possible they wore hats with the 90/91 tags the following spring? Or early into the next season? Where they only wore them two series, maybe there were hats left over from the original order? And, where this hat shows such good use, maybe it was briefly carried over? Just thinking out loud...

stasman
02-23-2014, 08:30 PM
All good points.. The tagging in the hat was from 89-90. Per BPH's the clubhouse employee retrieved it from the dugout floor and then had Thomas sign it. I would think that would have occurred at the end of the 90 season and that Thomas would start the 91 season with a fresh clean hat with 91 tagging in it.

salukidave
02-25-2014, 02:19 AM
Instead of paying to have your moment with the Big Hurt at the upcoming Sun-Times show, you might want to wait. They'll be plenty of other opportunities to show the hat to Frank. At the very least, he should be at Soxfest for years. Plus he's opening a sports bar in Berwyn.

While it would be great to get a photo of Frank with the hat, I wouldn't take his word on anything concerning a piece from 24 years ago., at least not as the last word.

stasman
02-25-2014, 06:33 AM
That's true. Good point

stasman
02-26-2014, 06:04 PM
Ok. Bought my Frank Thomas ticket to the March show. Let's see what he thinks of his Rookie hat.

stasman
03-22-2014, 12:44 PM
YES!!!!!!! Frank saw it and said definitely yes and that is his autograph. He then signed it again and added G.U. 1990. He wants me to contact the HOF to display it!!! I knew it. :)

Hoosier39
03-22-2014, 02:03 PM
YES!!!!!!! Frank saw it and said definitely yes and that is his autograph. He then signed it again and added G.U. 1990. He wants me to contact the HOF to display it!!! I knew it. :)

Very cool. I may have left it as is after he confirmed it instead of him signing it again, but everyone is different.

Roady
03-22-2014, 02:13 PM
YES!!!!!!! Frank saw it and said definitely yes and that is his autograph. He then signed it again and added G.U. 1990. He wants me to contact the HOF to display it!!! I knew it. :)

Good for you. Goes to show some "experts" are not experts after all. :)

bgakladd
03-22-2014, 02:21 PM
That's good news!!.....I always thought the autograph was legit. Enjoy the moment, after all the debate about the hat and signature you now know for sure. Treasure it!

SoonerOrLater
03-22-2014, 02:23 PM
They posted a pick of Frank signing this hat on the Fanatics Authentic Shows Facebook page.

stasman
03-22-2014, 02:30 PM
He really liked it. Confirmed it to be his rookie hat and when I told him that a lot of people said the auto wasn't his he said it definitely was his because that's when he was spelling out his name.. He the took the hat and said I'll sign it again.. He then signed it a added GU 1990. He really wanted me to contact the HOF... That would be cool. I've never owned something worthy of being in the Hall.

Roady
03-22-2014, 02:31 PM
He really liked it. Confirmed it to be his rookie hat and when I told him that a lot of people said the auto wasn't his he said it definitely was his because that's when he was spelling out his name.. He the took the hat and said I'll sign it again.. He then signed it a added GU 1990. He really wanted me to contact the HOF... That would be cool. I've never owned something worthy of being in the Hall.

I even posted his old autograph and it was the same.
I never had any doubt it was legit.

Chess2899
03-22-2014, 02:46 PM
He really liked it. Confirmed it to be his rookie hat and when I told him that a lot of people said the auto wasn't his he said it definitely was his because that's when he was spelling out his name.. He the took the hat and said I'll sign it again.. He then signed it a added GU 1990. He really wanted me to contact the HOF... That would be cool. I've never owned something worthy of being in the Hall.

I am considering loaning some of my Greg Maddux rookie items for the HOF. I think it would be cool to loan your rookie Thomas hat for the ceremony. They will stick your name on it and I guess you could tell your friends you are in the Hall of Fame. :)

Roady
03-22-2014, 03:04 PM
For myself, I buy items for my enjoyment. My collection stays with me.
If I did loan it out to the HOF it would be short term and I would make sure it would be returned to me.

stasman
03-22-2014, 03:36 PM
I'm just really excited to know 100% this is his Rookie game hat. He has been one of my favorite players and to have an item from his Rookie year is awesome.

stasman
03-22-2014, 03:37 PM
Here is Frank today with the hat

Phil316
03-22-2014, 03:44 PM
Congrats! Very happy for you.

bravesfanjd
03-22-2014, 04:08 PM
That is so awesome I think it would be cool if you lent it to the hall of fame maybe you could get tickets from them for his induction in return for you lending them the hat for a certain amount of time

Josh

bgakladd
03-22-2014, 04:45 PM
Can you put up a pic of the newly signed area of the hat for us to see??

stasman
03-22-2014, 05:16 PM
There's the 1990 rookie auto and today he signed it and added GU 1990. PSA/DNA also authenticated it.

stasman
03-22-2014, 05:20 PM
I know the double auto is odd, but he wanted to double sign it.. I think that was pretty cool. He wanted to show the difference in his auto from a Rookie to HOF.

bravesfanjd
03-22-2014, 05:27 PM
That hat is awesome I like the double auto especially since they are different which yearbook did you get signed?

stasman
03-22-2014, 05:39 PM
The High School yearbook. He thought it was very cool and laughed when I asked him to write "Have a cool Summer". Haha

bravesfanjd
03-22-2014, 06:31 PM
The memories you made today are awesome so glad you shared it all with us on the board that's why I enjoy coming on the boards to hear stories like this

stasman
03-22-2014, 06:34 PM
This thread was a LONG one....with a lot of ups and downs...but it all worked out Great...lots of input, different views and ideas. I'm glad I stuck with my gut feeling and research. It paid off BIG... I agree, this thread was a lot of fun and I learned a lot.

Roady
03-22-2014, 07:07 PM
It was a good thread and all of us should have learned something from it.

bgakladd
03-22-2014, 07:24 PM
I know the double auto is odd, but he wanted to double sign it.. I think that was pretty cool. He wanted to show the difference in his auto from a Rookie to HOF.

So the Big Hurt had the final say as to how the hat would be, signed or unsigned. That is cool!! No more disputes, Dave M. authenticated, PSA/DNA authenticated, and Frank's own confirmation as to what you have. It doesn't get any better than that!

Phil316
03-22-2014, 07:32 PM
A very good ending and something to cherish forever.

salukidave
03-22-2014, 08:02 PM
Glad your experience turned out to be a great one! The yearbook inscription is funny, too.

Beyond this experience, I think everyone should take a step back for a second regarding a player authenticating a game-used item. A player, especially when getting paid, can write any inscription on an item. It doesn't make it true. On the flip side, a player might deem a legitimate item fake for any number of reasons. A player's word or memory is just one piece of evidence, albeit usually an important and legitimate one. Provenance is another form of evidence as is an "expert" opinion. A photo match is the ultimate piece of evidence.

bravesfanjd
03-22-2014, 08:05 PM
Glad your experience turned out to be a great one! The yearbook inscription is funny, too.

Beyond this experience, I think everyone should take a step back for a second regarding a player authenticating a game-used item. A player, especially when getting paid, can write any inscription on an item. It doesn't make it true. On the flip side, a player might deem a legitimate item fake for any number of reasons. A player's word or memory is just one piece of evidence, albeit usually an important and legitimate one. Provenance is another form of evidence as is an "expert" opinion. A photo match is the ultimate piece of evidence.

I understand what you mean about a photomatch but if the player says it's there's and feels comfortable inscribing it gu then that's enough for me also seeing as his nickname was the big hurt he would be the last guy I questioned:-)

stasman
03-22-2014, 08:10 PM
A photo match would be great... But in 1990 there weren't as many cameras and photos that there are today with every game. He looked carefully at the hat and immediately recognized his old auto and even told me at that time he was trying to sign every letter in his name. He then opened the hat and examined it and said it was game worn and his. I suspect many athletes wouldn't take the time to authenticate their items and would sign anything you ask, but Frank has been a high integrity person/ athlete from day 1. So for this one I'm 100%.

bravesfanjd
03-22-2014, 08:14 PM
A photo match would be great... But in 1990 there weren't as many cameras and photos that there are today with every game. He looked carefully at the hat and immediately recognized his old auto and even told me at that time he was trying to sign every letter in his name. He then opened the hat and examined it and said it was game worn and his. I suspect many athletes wouldn't take the time to authenticate their items and would sign anything you ask, but Frank has been a high integrity person/ athlete from day 1. So for this one I'm 100%.

I agree enjoy the item and I hope at some point you lend it to the hall so everybody can enjoy the item its awesome that you have a rookie item from a true hof player and a class act who played the game the right way

salukidave
03-22-2014, 08:22 PM
I understand what you mean about a photomatch but if the player says it's there's and feels comfortable inscribing it gu then that's enough for me also seeing as his nickname was the big hurt he would be the last guy I questioned:-)

I'm not talking about this specific case, really. Frank Thomas is a sincere dude from what I've observed over many years as a White Sox fan. I have no reason to be a doubting Thomas in this case.

In any case, though, even the most sincere of players can have foggy memories even if their intentions are beyond reproach. Heck, if someone brought me one of my old high school teammates caps to me, I couldn't tell if it was or wasn't mine. Now make me a Hall of Fame player and then if somebody added my old number to the cap and I'd probably assume it was mine without giving it a second thought. Maybe someone else in that situation might recognize the hat as not theirs, but wouldn't want to burst the fan's bubble so he plays along. Or he plays along so the signing goes smoothly and he can collect his money and be asked to do more signings. Or maybe he signs whatever people ask him to sign because he doesn't care either way. On the flip side, you might have a player calling a legit item a fake because he's mad that things were stolen from him during his career or maybe just because he has a faulty memory or maybe just because he's a jerk.

I think hobby veterans have witnessed, heard or read about many such scenarios over the years.

stasman
03-22-2014, 08:30 PM
True Salukidave...But I forgot to say I didn't ask him to sign the hat, he did that on his own for NO COST and added the inscription. That's $130.00 he felt wasn't needed. Just a guy who was honorable his whole career and still is when he's retired. Great guy. I couldn't ask for a cooler item.

stasman
03-22-2014, 08:45 PM
And I think I trust a player recognizing something that personally belonged to him more than someone sitting behind a desk looking up info on the Internet. I've heard stories that a lot of athletes won't add " game used" when signing too.. I guess you have to trust the athlete.

stasman
03-22-2014, 08:49 PM
I have a full set of AJ Pierzynski's catching gear and as soon as I showed it to him he immediately said they were his and signed them game used.

Hoosier39
03-22-2014, 09:12 PM
And I think I trust a player recognizing something that personally belonged to him more than someone sitting behind a desk looking up info on the Internet. I've heard stories that a lot of athletes won't add " game used" when signing too.. I guess you have to trust the athlete.

Yep, just ask Wade Boggs.

Roady
03-22-2014, 09:30 PM
There will always be those "experts" who don't believe you belong in their little club.

Take your hat and enjoy it and know that you just experienced something that few will ever get to experience.

You proved your case and are a much better man than I am in keeping your peace and letting it play out.

salukidave
03-22-2014, 10:12 PM
I have a full set of AJ Pierzynski's catching gear and as soon as I showed it to him he immediately said they were his and signed them game used.

Did you get them framed by chance? I saw a set autographed and framed at a Rosemont show sometime shortly after the 2005 World Series. Just wondering if it was perhaps your set. The set I saw was not tampered with like A.J. does now with his equipment. I have one of his chest protectors (believed to be worn in Buehrle's no-hitter) which has his initials by the neck cut off. He had no problem signing it for me at a free signing, by the way, which I found weird. He doesn't like his stuffed sold, even for charity, but then signed it no problem for me and confirmed that he was the one who cut off his initials.

Again, my intent was not to question the Thomas hat. I'm glad your experience was such a great one. As cool as the hat is, your encounter with the Big Hurt is even better. It just makes the hat even cooler.

I recommend contacting the Hall of Fame as soon as possible as they put together special exhibits for the new inductees.

commando
03-22-2014, 11:18 PM
And I think I trust a player recognizing something that personally belonged to him more than someone sitting behind a desk looking up info on the Internet. I've heard stories that a lot of athletes won't add " game used" when signing too.. I guess you have to trust the athlete.

Well, here's an idea.

Stop posting threads asking the advice of people who sit behind desks and look things up on the internet.

stasman
03-23-2014, 05:04 AM
Did you get them framed by chance? I saw a set autographed and framed at a Rosemont show sometime shortly after the 2005 World Series. Just wondering if it was perhaps your set. The set I saw was not tampered with like A.J. does now with his equipment. I have one of his chest protectors (believed to be worn in Buehrle's no-hitter) which has his initials by the neck cut off. He had no problem signing it for me at a free signing, by the way, which I found weird. He doesn't like his stuffed sold, even for charity, but then signed it no problem for me and confirmed that he was the one who cut off his initials.

Again, my intent was not to question the Thomas hat. I'm glad your experience was such a great one. As cool as the hat is, your encounter with the Big Hurt is even better. It just makes the hat even cooler.

I recommend contacting the Hall of Fame as soon as possible as they put together special exhibits for the new inductees.

No. That set wasn't mine. But my chest protector also doesn't have the AJ. He was very curious where I obtained them before he signed them.

stasman
03-23-2014, 07:48 AM
Well, here's an idea.

Stop posting threads asking the advice of people who sit behind desks and look things up on the internet.

Sorry.. No disrespect. I really appreciated all the info and guidance.

commando
03-23-2014, 08:00 AM
Sorry.. No disrespect. I really appreciated all the info and guidance.

No problem, sir.... I know several members took the time to attempt a photo match for the cap and did other research, having no vested interest in the matter. Thomas collectors gave their opinions on the autograph, which we know can look a little "off" when trying to sign on any type of fabric.

Thankfully this story has a happy ending and a true treasure has been found! You da man!

stasman
03-23-2014, 08:47 AM
No problem, sir.... I know several members took the time to attempt a photo match for the cap and did other research, having no vested interest in the matter. Thomas collectors gave their opinions on the autograph, which we know can look a little "off" when trying to sign on any type of fabric.

Thankfully this story has a happy ending and a true treasure has been found! You da man!

And for that I'm very thankful. My reference was more towards when you send in an item for authentication and somebody in a room says it's not authentic. I just thought when an athlete physically holds and looks at something that belonged to him, that's the ultimate verification. :).

CollectGU
03-23-2014, 10:45 AM
I will make a deal with you. Send it in to PSA/DNA for authentication of the signature. If it comes back real (which it will not), I will pay the authentication fee.

Don't forget to send TwinLakes your invoice...

stasman
03-23-2014, 10:52 AM
That's Right!!! Haha. I forgot about that.

stasman
03-23-2014, 01:57 PM
I sent an email to the HOF to see if they want the cap for Franks display. I just don't know if you can donate for a period of time or is it a permanent donation?

Tlewi11
03-23-2014, 02:45 PM
I believe they take permanent donations only. Here is a link that explains the process:

http://baseballhall.org/museum/collections/how-donate

Chess2899
03-23-2014, 02:48 PM
I sent an email to the HOF to see if they want the cap for Franks display. I just don't know if you can donate for a period of time or is it a permanent donation?

You can loan it for a specific time especially during the special HOF presentations. My rookie Maddux uniform would be loaned for a year if I choose to do it along with his rookie cleats, glove and bat. I don't think I want my good stuff there permanently at this stage of my life.

stasman
03-23-2014, 03:48 PM
I see you need to snail mail the info to them. Do you know how long it takes for a response? I think Frank is going into the hall in July?

commando
03-23-2014, 06:34 PM
I see you need to snail mail the info to them. Do you know how long it takes for a response? I think Frank is going into the hall in July?

Call the HOF at (888) 425-5633 during business hours. Ask for Susan MacKay, the head collections archivist.

She's the person to know. Good luck!

stasman
03-23-2014, 06:50 PM
Thanks Anthony...will do

stasman
03-24-2014, 02:49 PM
Spoke with the HOF. Waiting for the curator of a Franks exhibit to call back.. They did say you can loan or donate items.

stasman
03-28-2014, 05:01 PM
Photos and info sent to Hall Of Fame commission. The decision is now in their hands. Has anybody ever submitted/donated an item to the HOF??

Roady
03-28-2014, 06:46 PM
Originally Posted by TwinLakesPark View Post
I will make a deal with you. Send it in to PSA/DNA for authentication of the signature. If it comes back real (which it will not), I will pay the authentication fee.

Did TwinLakesPark ever pay you for the authentication fee?

CollectGU
03-28-2014, 07:00 PM
Originally Posted by TwinLakesPark View Post
I will make a deal with you. Send it in to PSA/DNA for authentication of the signature. If it comes back real (which it will not), I will pay the authentication fee.

Did TwinLakesPark ever pay you for the authentication fee?

He has gone radio silent...

stasman
03-28-2014, 07:03 PM
Nope!! Hahaha. I haven't heard from him since. :)

stasman
03-28-2014, 07:08 PM
I guess the authentication fee would be the 125$ I spent to meet Frank... I video taped him saying, yep.. It's the real deal.. I signed like that back then when I was signing all the letters in my name... :)))... I'll keep checking my mailbox. :)

Roady
03-28-2014, 07:14 PM
He has gone radio silent...

A man of his word I see.

Roady
03-28-2014, 07:15 PM
I guess the authentication fee would be the 125$ I spent to meet Frank... I video taped him saying, yep.. It's the real deal.. I signed like that back then when I was signing all the letters in my name... :)))... I'll keep checking my mailbox. :)

Well if he is a man he will pony up.
But of course there are many "men" here who should be apologizing to you too but I don't see them doing it.

stasman
03-28-2014, 07:27 PM
No worries... Knowing I have an authentic rookie hat is what makes me happy. Good to know MY gut feeling and research was right along with all you guys that supported it. :)

Roady
03-28-2014, 07:29 PM
No worries... Knowing I have an authentic rookie hat is what makes me happy. Good to know MY gut feeling and research was right along with all you guys that supported it. :)

You have proved yourself in your post and attitude to be a better man than many of us.

stasman
03-28-2014, 07:33 PM
Thanks Roady!!

Roady
03-28-2014, 07:35 PM
Thanks Roady!!

You're welcome!

stasman
03-28-2014, 07:43 PM
Hof 2014

stasman
04-03-2014, 07:10 PM
Does anybody know how long it takes for the HOF to respond after you mail them info on an item you want to donate?

Chess2899
04-03-2014, 07:33 PM
Does anybody know how long it takes for the HOF to respond after you mail them info on an item you want to donate?

Don't donate your hat. Enjoy it but you can loan it. I would call the lady specified in this thread.

Roady
04-03-2014, 07:36 PM
Don't donate your hat. Enjoy it but you can loan it. I would call the lady specified in this thread.

Good point. Specify loan not donate.

stasman
04-03-2014, 07:39 PM
Yep. Sorry. I did say loan in my paperwork to them. I'm curious if they read it quick or if their committee only meets once a month it so.. I hope they respond either way.

stasman
04-03-2014, 07:40 PM
I did call her and she said she would pass it on the Franks curator. Haven't heard back yet.

TwinLakesPark
04-03-2014, 10:00 PM
Originally Posted by TwinLakesPark View Post
I will make a deal with you. Send it in to PSA/DNA for authentication of the signature. If it comes back real (which it will not), I will pay the authentication fee.

Did TwinLakesPark ever pay you for the authentication fee?

Last time I checked, the hat was not submitted to PSA/DNA for the authentication of the autograph...

TwinLakesPark
04-03-2014, 10:12 PM
A man of his word I see.

This is one of the reasons I really hate this site sometimes, you don't even know me or who I am. You have no idea whatsoever as to my character. If you would like to get to know me and start making posts relative to who I am, I would suggest you get on a plane and fly to Tampa, instead of hiding behind a computer. I will be happy to sit down and have lunch with you one day so that you can get to know me.

A deal is deal, but there was no autograph submitted to PSA/DNA. If your rebuttal is that Frank's recognition is just a good, then maybe we should start asking Wade Boggs about his stuff...

Hoosier39
04-03-2014, 10:41 PM
This is one of the reasons I really hate this site sometimes, you don't even know me or who I am. You have no idea whatsoever as to my character. If you would like to get to know me and start making posts relative to who I am, I would suggest you get on a plane and fly to Tampa, instead of hiding behind a computer. I will be happy to sit down and have lunch with you one day so that you can get to know me.

A deal is deal, but there was no autograph submitted to PSA/DNA. If your rebuttal is that Frank's recognition is just a good, then maybe we should start asking Wade Boggs about his stuff...

Come on now, don't use my Wade Boggs line from earlier in the post. :)

Really tho, I actually agree with you for the most part. Players have known to be wrong on things. Not saying he was wrong, just saying it happens. Like with Boggs.

Roady
04-04-2014, 05:23 AM
This is one of the reasons I really hate this site sometimes, you don't even know me or who I am. You have no idea whatsoever as to my character. If you would like to get to know me and start making posts relative to who I am, I would suggest you get on a plane and fly to Tampa, instead of hiding behind a computer. I will be happy to sit down and have lunch with you one day so that you can get to know me.

A deal is deal, but there was no autograph submitted to PSA/DNA. If your rebuttal is that Frank's recognition is just a good, then maybe we should start asking Wade Boggs about his stuff...

I know I don't see hopping on a plane to come see me.
I know your behind a computer bravely making claims that you cannot back up.
I know I am not the only one in this thread to question if you paid.
I know you are being super defensive and focusing it on me alone.
I know that I didn't belittle the mans item.

And post 196 of this thread says PSA authenticated the signature. Now i just assumed it was for both, maybe it was for the new one only. stasman can clear that up.

I don't need to see you make good on our word. I don't need to see you apologize to stasman, it wouldn't make any difference now. Your words have shown your true character.

Roady
04-04-2014, 05:28 AM
I meant post 134 of this thread not 196
"There's the 1990 rookie auto and today he signed it and added GU 1990. PSA/DNA also authenticated it."

Roady
04-04-2014, 05:59 AM
Now that I have had few moments to collect myself and think more rationally I would like to apologize to everyone.
I should not have questioned if TwinsLakePark had made good on his word and I did so in a confrontational manner that I should not have.
That was none of my business, it was between him and stasman.
Yes, it was stated on a forum for everyone to see but it was still between them.
stasman is a better man than me and I should not have questioned if he didn't. stasman has shown himself to be a gentleman and a humble human being. Something I strive to be but fail miserably at.

This is a very enjoyably hobby and I am going to get back to enjoying it.

TwinsLakePark, I am sorry for offending you.

stasman
04-04-2014, 07:35 PM
Ok everyone. Relax... Go watch your favorite team play and win and enjoy your day.. I have no problems with anyone. It was all in fun. Of course I wouldn't accept money, I knew that was said in jest. Like my mom always said... If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all....... By the way. Go Blackhawks. :))). High fives to all of the members. Now shake hands and play nice.