Rodman Shirt On Ebay

**Utopian2630** · 12-13-2006, 09:18 PM

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Howard,

I noticed that jersey earlier this afternoon as well and also saw that the seller also had a Ripken jersey and a Luke Appling jersey which was said to have been pulled from Sotherby's. For what it's worth, years back I had rodman sign an 8X10 during his Bulls days and the signature on the jersey doesn't look much like the signature I got.

**hblakewolf** · 12-13-2006, 09:23 PM

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Originally posted by Utopian2630

Howard,

I noticed that jersey earlier this afternoon as well and also saw that the seller also had a Ripken jersey and a Luke Appling jersey which was said to have been pulled from Sotherby's. For what it's worth, years back I had rodman sign an 8X10 during his Bulls days and the signature on the jersey doesn't look much like the signature I got.

Utopian-
The seller makes note in his description about the Ripken, "Either this is a game-worn Cal Ripken Jr. jersey, or not. "Combined with the fact that it is a size 44 and Ripken wore a 48, I'll put my money on it "not".

Howard Wiolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

**Utopian2630** · 12-13-2006, 09:37 PM

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At least he doesn't say the Ripken comes with 'rock solid provinence'.

**both-teams-played-hard** · 12-13-2006, 10:44 PM

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I only remember Rodman tossing his jersey into the stands after he was ejected (both home&away). I don't think it was ever a routine like Gilbert Arenas. Sounds like a far-fetched story. There should be a video tape of the game in existence. Right?

**both-teams-played-hard** · 12-13-2006, 10:58 PM

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Could this lady be the eBay seller of the Rodman jersey? Maybe?

**OPRAH** · 12-14-2006, 03:37 AM

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Forum members,
I am the owner of the items that Howard Wolf has taken on as his latest form of entertainment. Mr. Wolf has without provocation attacked my item descriptions on two of my past and current E-Bay auctions....The Canseco/Mcgwire bat and the Dennis Rodman jersey.Let me clarify that I miss wrote in the Rodman description that he threw it to her during an early exit. That should have read he flipped it to her during the teams exit. The "Stadium" that you refered to was in Milwaukee, not Chicago as "The Stadium"
that you referred to was called "The United Center"Howard. Milwaukee was the only way to afford to take 3 children to see the Bulls back then. A security guard saw what happened and told us which gate they would exit out of so we may try and get it signed, which we did. End of story. Is there something wrong with the jersey or are you still pissy about the Canseco?
Howard, I didn't reply to your request on the Rodman due to the fact that you pubicly posted my PRIVATE e-mail that I sent to you in regards to the Canseco bat.
Oh and Howard your unfounded statement that Dennis Rodman only gave or threw away his jerseys at HOME games can simply be refuted by doing a yahoo search of the Bulls first playoff game vs. the Washington Bullets in 1997. So rumor shouldn't be considered when authenticating an item.

Speaking of "doing your homework" as you use as you personal monicor,
I did "my homework" and you MOCK my efforts on this forum. Why Howard?
I purchased the Canseco bat on e-bay. I contacted the seller and found out where he purchased it from, the show in Overland Park, at Cansecos table from Jose and his agent. Then I contacted Steve Vusavich at the Oakland clubhouse and e-mailed him a pic of the knob and barrel and asked if it was consistent with Mcgwires. He then replied yes. I also did numerous photo matches of the 25 and they to matched. It came with a signed coa,and photo of him with the exact bat. What additional proof did I need? I am sorry if I don't have an extensive Mark Mcgwire photo library at my dispossal, like some of us do. You see Howard heres where the problem lies. In your perfect world there should have been a 33 on both the knob and barrel, along with the 25. But that would make to much sense. You act as if the players are identifing THEIR equipment to your specifications.
There is every reason to believe based on my "homework" that Macgwire did use that bat. Becouse I don't have the research "library" that you do, does that mean I shouldn't have listed it as is. The bat is what it is....a Jose Canseco gamer with Mark Mcgwires numbers on it. Why does this disturb you so?

Howard when was the last time that you posted something positive? I can wait....Are you that unhappy?
I simply listed some items that I own that I wanted to sell to raise some badly needed money to cover some surgeries that I recently had. I planned on over the years to getting items authenticated, just didn't do it and didn't plan on having to sell them now, wanted to save them for my children......you know, I'm such a lucky daddy, Howard. Why include that Howard? Rob,Eric,Chris, I'm sorry but I take that as a personal attack.
I have bought many items in the past before the advent of the forum. Some good, some not. I tried to describe my items to the best of my ability. Take the Ripken. I was told when I bought it that it was game used. Based on the information that I had that the 100% polyester tagging was the key. Wouldn't it have been more helpful of Mr. Wolf to contact me or post on the forum that it likely isn't based on the size being a 44? No there has to be some smart *** remark. Confrontation thats what sells. Makes for better reading I guess.
Maybe thats why so many people end their auctions early. I know I ended my Canseco early based on the direction this thread was going. Raising a question is one thing, implying or insinuatting is another. It cost me money. It cost other forum members the oportunity to bid on a great bat.
Whats the issue with the 1948 White Sox jersey? Sothebys November 14th auction, item #651 listed accidentally as a Cubs jersey. So I had them pull it. And the problem is???? The Mears letter is clearly stated in the description.
I'm ending the Ripken and Rodman auctions. I have spent way to much time on this. This used to be a hobby that I enjoyed, not so much anymore. If anyone wants to contact me to buy the Rodman jersey I will offer a double your money back guarantee if it doesn't pass Mears.DOUBLE.
By the way BTPH...that was a funny post, gave me my name!
Howard I sent you an e-mail the other day, trying to communicate in a civilized manner. Like I stated, you have choices, you can be a positive influence in the hobby or a destructive one. The choice is up to you. Happy Holidays!!!!

**Canseco44** · 12-14-2006, 08:42 AM

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What does it take to get someone thrown off of this forum. I am new to this but I have seen Howard Wolf do nothing but attack this guy for no reason. I was the one who bought the Canseco/Mcgwire bat, and I'll tell you what, I have not dealt with a nicer guy. I also believe 100% that what he is saying is the truth. It was and still is very common practice for teammates to use each others bats. And how far fetched is it that at on time during their years together that one of them borrowed the others bat. It sounds like to me you are guilty until proven innocent here. I plan on having the bat authenticated by PSA/DNA just like I have done with his 400th Homerun bat and the bat he hit the 3-run HR in game 3 of the 1989 World Series with. Personally if this guy has any other Canseco stuff for sale, I will be first in line to buy. This is just my opinion.

Todd

**hblakewolf** · 12-14-2006, 09:20 AM

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Originally posted by Canseco44

What does it take to get someone thrown off of this forum. I am new to this but I have seen Howard Wolf do nothing but attack this guy for no reason. I was the one who bought the Canseco/Mcgwire bat, and I'll tell you what, I have not dealt with a nicer guy. I also believe 100% that what he is saying is the truth. It was and still is very common practice for teammates to use each others bats. And how far fetched is it that at on time during their years together that one of them borrowed the others bat. It sounds like to me you are guilty until proven innocent here. I plan on having the bat authenticated by PSA/DNA just like I have done with his 400th Homerun bat and the bat he hit the 3-run HR in game 3 of the 1989 World Series with. Personally if this guy has any other Canseco stuff for sale, I will be first in line to buy. This is just my opinion.

Originally posted by Canseco44

Todd

Todd-
The seller in question indicated that the Canseco bat was also used by McGwire. I simply asked for proof. I have been collecting McGwire game used equipment for over 10 years, and have never seen him use a Worth bat in a photo or been shown any type of evidence he ever used a Worth bat during the late 1980's. The seller indicated it was used by McGwire-prove it. After my post, the seller indicated that he obtained the bat at a show, was also provided with a LOA from Canseco, and was told by Canseco that McGwire used the bat. It's a bit difficult to believe that this information would not be added to to he LOA at the time of purchase. Per the seller, you have Canseco and his agent sitting at a booth, you buy the bat and don't ask for the LOA to be amended? The seller also indicated he sent an email to the A's equipment manager, and was told the bat was used by McGwire. Can the seller provde a copy of this email?

You stement "I also believe 100% that what he is saying is the truth" is the exact reasoning used by so many in this hobby/industry that later proves to a major problem. It's great to put trust into people, but homeowrk and proof are a must.

Todd, enjoy the bat-it looks like a real gem!

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

**CollectGU** · 12-14-2006, 09:52 AM

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It's entirely plausible that McGwire used this bat. Why would Canseco put #25 on his bat. Also, the 25 matches known exemplars of 25 on McGwire nobs and has been confirmed by Steve Vusavich. Unfortunately, not everything in this business can be photo matched. You take the info provided and decide whether or not that is enough for you to feel comfortable with the purchase....

Regards,
Dave

**Eric** · 12-14-2006, 12:19 PM

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Not taking sides. Not getting involved. I just noticed that the jersey in the Oprah photo and the jersey that was being auctioned have the numbers and name in different places. Can someone find game pics showing

Also, if I am reading correctly you said it was the Bulls at Milwaukee
from the 1996-1997 season. They played twice in Milwaukee that season
12-3-96 and 1-10-97
Looking for pics from the 12-3-96 game because you could put all of this to rest by photomatching your jersey
They wore a different style road jersey 1-10-97

Just throwing it out there
Eric

**jon_8_us** · 12-14-2006, 12:43 PM

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I am trying to purchase this jersey from Sam as we speak for a customer that has been looking for a Rodman gamer for awhile.He has offered me a double my money back authentication guarantee!!Sound like someone thats a ripper to you?I have diligently searched for the game photo's that Eric speaks of and have come up dry.Any info about this jersey from an NBA jersey expert would be very helpful.I believe Sam and he is a very nice guy to deal with.Thats my two cents
jon

**Eric** · 12-14-2006, 12:43 PM

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Rodman's hair is more vivid in this shot which is supposedly from 1996 against the Bucks. Could this be from the 12-3-96 game? Anyone have any leads?

http://www.robertseale.com/gallery.html?gallery=ACTION&skipno=7&currentIndex=2

**hblakewolf** · 12-14-2006, 12:47 PM

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Eric-
That's great information you posted. Is it possible for either Rudy or another person familiar with locating photos on Getty, Corbus, etc. to match this red road jersey in question to the games you reference against the Bucks? Likewise, from your photos, it appears the name is higher on the road red jersey. Did the Bulls use jerseys during this season with the name positioned like this?

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

**worldchamps** · 12-14-2006, 01:36 PM

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Rodman Nov 1996

Rodman Shirt On Ebay

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