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beg345
08-04-2014, 11:07 AM
Hi, I have a team issued or "game used" Oakland raiders Bo Jackson jersey signed...I would appreciate any opinion on it, whether or not it's real. It came from a storage locker that was in a really expensive frame... thanks

JackHE
08-04-2014, 01:26 PM
Hard to tell if there is any "wear" or not from the pics but worst case looks like a legit Game Issued Jersey. Nice !

Jack E

hbrgrate
08-04-2014, 04:08 PM
Hi beg345 can u email me at ndg311@gmail.com I had a question. Thanks

mmonte4
08-04-2014, 08:05 PM
BEG, awesome jersey. Please email me ASAP:

klhunter84@yahoo.com

beg345
08-06-2014, 03:22 PM
There appears to be an anomoly with the tag....the size 44 is a little tag off to the side rather than right on MacGregor crown tag...also, the jersey is stitched, is this normal? I have included more pictures....thanks peeps!

sox83cubs84
08-07-2014, 09:22 PM
There appears to be an anomoly with the tag....the size 44 is a little tag off to the side rather than right on MacGregor crown tag...also, the jersey is stitched, is this normal? I have included more pictures....thanks peeps!

It's not the norm. What concerns me more, though, are the inconsistent applique on the bottom of the crown tag and the appearance that the tag is folded under.

Dave Miedema

beg345
08-08-2014, 12:59 AM
It's not the norm. What concerns me more, though, are the inconsistent applique on the bottom of the crown tag and the appearance that the tag is folded under.

Dave Miedema

is it possible that MacGregor used slightly different tags depending on the year?

BrianK
08-08-2014, 12:45 PM
It's not the norm. What concerns me more, though, are the inconsistent applique on the bottom of the crown tag and the appearance that the tag is folded under.

Dave Miedema

It would be interesting to know what's on the folded portion of the tag. Maybe it can be seen through the mesh on the back side. I'm guessing it's either a larger or smaller size number or an L/XL-type size indicator. If so, it raises two possibilities in my mind. MacGregor didn't have a 44 tag at hand and used a flag instead. Or there's deception going on.

beg345
08-08-2014, 02:04 PM
Ok cool, I am at work now and can check that out next Thursday when I get home! Thanks for the info!

beg345
08-13-2014, 07:20 PM
The size is XXXL under the fold....any comment???

bgakladd
08-13-2014, 08:31 PM
The size is XXXL under the fold....any comment???

An XXXL size would be putting the jersey at a size 52-54.

beg345
08-13-2014, 09:38 PM
Well, the jersey is not that big...definitely a 44 size...

bgakladd
08-13-2014, 10:00 PM
Well, the jersey is not that big...definitely a 44 size...

I agree on the jersey looking a size 44, now to figure out why a folded XXXL tagging was folded and sewn on.

bgakladd
08-13-2014, 10:28 PM
Here is a comparison of your tagging and another with what the tagging should look like. Hopefully somebody can figure it out for you.

BrianK
08-14-2014, 12:07 PM
Just my opinion, and I'm a mid-level collector at best. Certainly no expert. So, FWIW.

It's encouraging if the jersey is in fact a 44. That rules out the possibility that someone had a different size jersey and tried to pawn it off as a 44. I was thinking someone may have taken a retail jersey, moved the tags to the neck, and disguised the size. Not the case.

This points to the other possibility ... MacGregor did not have a 44 tag at hand and used a flag tag instead. It looks like the zig-zag stitching is for the nameplate. The fold on the tag appears to be neatly stitched. Looks okay to me.

BrianK
08-14-2014, 11:36 PM
Here's a similar folded under tag.
http://apr08.hugginsandscott.com/cgi-bin/showitem.pl?itemid=7785

beg345
08-15-2014, 01:22 AM
Here's a similar folded under tag.
http://apr08.hugginsandscott.com/cgi-bin/showitem.pl?itemid=7785

Awesome! Thanks for the help! I looked everywhere for a similar tag! I am going to get it framed and I will keep you guys posted on what it looks like.

bgakladd
08-15-2014, 02:03 AM
Here's a similar folded under tag.
http://apr08.hugginsandscott.com/cgi-bin/showitem.pl?itemid=7785
I saw the listing on the Art Monk jersey listed as game used. Didn't the Redskins use nameplates on the back of their game worn jerseys? This one doesn't look like it has one, also did they have Macgregor emblems on the sleeve? This has the tagging like yours but was the Monk jersey game worn? Trying to figure out if it might give a clue to the Bo Jackson Raiders style jersey.

beg345
08-15-2014, 07:21 AM
Ya, the Bo jackson jersey has the MacGregor emblems on the sleeve...

BrianK
08-15-2014, 10:55 AM
I saw the listing on the Art Monk jersey listed as game used. Didn't the Redskins use nameplates on the back of their game worn jerseys? This one doesn't look like it has one, also did they have Macgregor emblems on the sleeve? This has the tagging like yours but was the Monk jersey game worn? Trying to figure out if it might give a clue to the Bo Jackson Raiders style jersey.

Interesting point about the Monk nameplate being screened on. Seems odd, but maybe it's possible. This looks like it might be screened.

BrianK
08-15-2014, 04:54 PM
PS: I believe member JDubbs73 has a nice Dexter Manley jersey with a screened name.

sox83cubs84
08-15-2014, 10:21 PM
Ya, the Bo jackson jersey has the MacGregor emblems on the sleeve...

That would date it to 1990.

Dave Miedema

bgakladd
08-16-2014, 12:16 AM
[QUOTE=sox83cubs84;363324]That would date it to 1990.

Dave Miedema[
I believe the Raiders switched to Wilson jerseys for the 1990-91 season but I came across a Youtube video "Bo Jackson Thunderstruck 1990 Raiders Season Week 12-15" and when the video is stopped at the 4:48 mark you can see Bo's teammate #86 wearing what looks like a Macgregor emblem on his sleeve. But on a black jersey.

BrianK
08-16-2014, 11:29 PM
I believe the Raiders switched to Wilson jerseys for the 1990-91 season but I came across a Youtube video "Bo Jackson Thunderstruck 1990 Raiders Season Week 12-15" and when the video is stopped at the 4:48 mark you can see Bo's teammate #86 wearing what looks like a Macgregor emblem on his sleeve. But on a black jersey.

Like this? October 14, 1990

BrianK
08-16-2014, 11:31 PM
Like this? October 14, 1990

Oops. Missed the photo.

sox83cubs84
08-17-2014, 05:41 PM
Searching Getty for 1990, all the pictures I can find with Bo shows much shorter and opened sleeves than the road jersey at the beginning of this thread.

Dave Miedema

beg345
08-17-2014, 06:41 PM
Searching Getty for 1990, all the pictures I can find with Bo shows much shorter and opened sleeves than the road jersey at the beginning of this thread.

Dave Miedema

http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/running-back-bo-jackson-of-the-los-angeles-raiders-in-this-news-photo/101626907

bgakladd
08-17-2014, 06:46 PM
http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/running-back-bo-jackson-of-the-los-angeles-raiders-in-this-news-photo/101626907
I saw that photo too but look at his neck line to the shoulder seam, it goes down past that. The jersey in question doesn't. After Google searching, did Bo wear one size, or did he wear size 42, 44, 46 and 48. Auction houses have so many different sizes that they sold.

beg345
08-17-2014, 06:54 PM
I saw that photo too but look at his neck line to the shoulder seam, it goes down past that. The jersey in question doesn't. After Google searching, did Bo wear one size, or did he wear size 42, 44, 46 and 48. Auction houses have so many different sizes that they sold.

I agree a 44 seems pretty small for Bo, that's just my opinion, although the picture has the "V neck" close to the seam, it's just zoomed in, if you look at my picture it is very identical, the V doesn't reach the seam..

bgakladd
08-17-2014, 07:04 PM
I agree a 44 seems pretty small for Bo, that's just my opinion, although the picture has the "V neck" close to the seam, it's just zoomed in, if you look at my picture it is very identical, the V doesn't reach the seam..
My final thought on the Bo size, I always heard years ago back in the early 90's that a size 48 in Macgregor Sandknit jerseys was the correct game worn size. I wasn't the equipment mgr. back then so I can't say what size he wore. I have never seen a game worn Bo jersey carry a Macgregor emblem on the side although it was possible. Anyways it was fun with the research. Thanks for showing it to everybody!

beg345
08-17-2014, 07:13 PM
My final thought on the Bo size, I always heard years ago back in the early 90's that a size 48 in Macgregor Sandknit jerseys was the correct game worn size. I wasn't the equipment mgr. back then so I can't say what size he wore. I have never seen a game worn Bo jersey carry a Macgregor emblem on the side although it was possible. Anyways it was fun with the research. Thanks for showing it to everybody!

Thank you! I appreciate the feedback!

mmonte4
08-17-2014, 07:46 PM
Someone please correct me if I'm mistaken in any part of my analysis.

First things first - The Macgregor emblem did not appear on the jersey sleeve until the 1990 season. The fact that this jersey features the emblem on the right sleeve dates the jerseys specifically to the 1990 season.

The Raiders wear white jerseys for away games. Bo began the 1990 season on 10/21 and played in 6 road games. Let's look at each road game he played in and the jersey type that he wore:

10/21 at SD
-Raiders wore black vs their in-state rivals

11/4 at KC
-white, short cut sleeves

11/19 at Miami
-white, short cut sleeves

12/2 at Denver
-white, short cut sleeves

12/10 at Detroit
-white, short cut sleeves

12/22 at Minn
-white, short cut sleeve


In summary, it is impossible for this jersey to be game worn as Bo never wore the longer sleeve jersey in any road game he played in during the 1990 NFL season.


Further, it looks like this jersey was listed twice on ebay.

The first listing ended on July 21 without a bid:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bo-Jackson-Autographed-Macgregor-Sand-Knit-Jersey-The-real-deal-1987-LA-Raiders-/271554330403?pt=US_Autographs&hash=item3f39e63f23

It was relisted ending July 26 and received a single bid:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bo-Jackson-Autographed-Macgregor-Sand-Knit-Jersey-The-real-deal-1987-LA-Raiders-/271555245384?pt=US_Autographs&hash=item3f39f43548

beg345
08-17-2014, 07:55 PM
Someone please correct me if I'm mistaken in any part of my analysis.

First things first - The Macgregor emblem did not appear on the jersey sleeve until the 1990 season. The fact that this jersey features the emblem on the right sleeve dates the jerseys specifically to the 1990 season.

The Raiders wear white jerseys for away games. Bo began the 1990 season on 10/21 and played in 6 road games. Let's look at each road game he played in and the jersey type that he wore:

10/21 at SD
-Raiders wore black vs their in-state rivals

11/4 at KC
-white, short cut sleeves

11/19 at Miami
-white, short cut sleeves

12/2 at Denver
-white, short cut sleeves

12/10 at Detroit
-white, short cut sleeves

12/22 at Minn
-white, short cut sleeve


In summary, it is impossible for this jersey to be game worn as Bo never wore the longer sleeve jersey in any road game he played in during the 1990 NFL season.


Further, it looks like this jersey was listed twice on ebay.

The first listing ended on July 21 without a bid:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bo-Jackson-Autographed-Macgregor-Sand-Knit-Jersey-The-real-deal-1987-LA-Raiders-/271554330403?pt=US_Autographs&hash=item3f39e63f23

It was relisted ending July 26 and received a single bid:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bo-Jackson-Autographed-Macgregor-Sand-Knit-Jersey-The-real-deal-1987-LA-Raiders-/271555245384?pt=US_Autographs&hash=item3f39f43548

I appreciate the analaysis! I had a buyer up to this post but I guess he backed out...either way, I'm getting it professionally framed! Very nice Jackson piece... :)

sox83cubs84
08-17-2014, 08:41 PM
FWIW, in that time frame Bo's baseball gamers were generally 48s, usually tapered.

Dave Miedema

beg345
08-17-2014, 08:42 PM
I appreciate the analaysis! I had a buyer up to this post but I guess he backed out...either way, I'm getting it professionally framed! Very nice Jackson piece... :)

wow, i just did a quick search....here's the 1990 game vs the Broncos...he's wearing the long sleeve...I haven't put much effort into it yet but I would like to know where you're getting your pictures from???

http://fs64sports.blogspot.ca/2012/12/1990-bo-jackson-spurs-raiders-to-win.html

bgakladd
08-17-2014, 08:58 PM
wow, i just did a quick search....here's the 1990 game vs the Broncos...he's wearing the long sleeve...I haven't put much effort into it yet but I would like to know where you're getting your pictures from???

http://fs64sports.blogspot.ca/2012/12/1990-bo-jackson-spurs-raiders-to-win.html

Didn't the Raiders wear their road black jerseys against the Broncos who wore home white in this Dec.2, 1990 game played in Denver?? Anyways, it isn't uncommon for an article to put a photo from another game or year in their articles. Getty Images shows both games against the Broncos as the Raiders wearing black in 1990.

bgakladd
08-17-2014, 09:04 PM
Didn't the Raiders wear their road black jerseys against the Broncos who wore home white in this Dec.2, 1990 game played in Denver?? Anyways, it isn't uncommon for an article to put a photo from another game or year in their articles. Getty Images shows both games against the Broncos as the Raiders wearing black in 1990.

I might have to correct myself...Getty Images has a different date showing Dec. 9, 1990...not Dec.2....rush to judgement on my part.

beg345
08-17-2014, 09:07 PM
Didn't the Raiders wear their road black jerseys against the Broncos who wore home white in this Dec.2, 1990 game played in Denver?? Anyways, it isn't uncommon for an article to put a photo from another game or year in their articles. Getty Images shows both games against the Broncos as the Raiders wearing black in 1990.

http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/los-angeles-raiders-running-back-bo-jackson-file-photos-news-photo/76571698

bgakladd
08-17-2014, 09:11 PM
http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/los-angeles-raiders-running-back-bo-jackson-file-photos-news-photo/76571698

ok...here it is...go Back to the Bo Thunderstruck video I mentioned on Youtube...he is wearing a CUT sleeve white jersey in Denver. 1:40 mark on up.

mmonte4
08-17-2014, 09:45 PM
wow, i just did a quick search....here's the 1990 game vs the Broncos...he's wearing the long sleeve...I haven't put much effort into it yet but I would like to know where you're getting your pictures from???

http://fs64sports.blogspot.ca/2012/12/1990-bo-jackson-spurs-raiders-to-win.html


I reviewed the video footage for every Raiders road game that season - its 100% that he wore short cut sleeves in every road game in 1990. Fellow GUU member Bgakladd has posted the link to the Raiders at Broncos game in question and sure enough - short cut sleeves.

The discussion of the 44 size, V neck placement, etc are all irrelevant in the case of this particular jersey. The long sleeves eliminate the possibility that the jersey was game worn in 1990.

Phil316
10-13-2014, 10:53 PM
Jersey is listed on ebay.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bo-Jackson-OFFICIAL-ON-FIELD-GAME-USED-WORN-Sand-Knit-jersey-signed-autographed-/221575106711?pt=US_Football_Fan_Shop&hash=item3396e7d097

bgakladd
11-07-2014, 07:59 PM
Seems like it is back ....with a new seller asking $7000 now.

bgakladd
11-07-2014, 08:14 PM
Seems like it is back ....with a new seller asking $7000 now.

New photo of this same jersey being listed.

bgakladd
11-07-2014, 08:20 PM
New photo of this same jersey being listed.

That was quick! Seller told me he is taking the listing down and sending the jersey back....see what happens.

bgakladd
11-07-2014, 09:05 PM
That was quick! Seller told me he is taking the listing down and sending the jersey back....see what happens.

For future reference: