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Titans74
10-02-2014, 02:01 PM
Posting pics of 3 jerseys offered to me. Is there anything that absolutely screams real or fake?

1994 2 button pullover. "94-1" tag. Size 44
http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd516/SamGagner89/_4-2.jpg (http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/SamGagner89/media/_4-2.jpg.html)
http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd516/SamGagner89/_4-1.jpg (http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/SamGagner89/media/_4-1.jpg.html)
http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd516/SamGagner89/_4.jpg (http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/SamGagner89/media/_4.jpg.html)

Titans74
10-02-2014, 02:05 PM
Next is a 2004 TBTC Orioles 50th Anniversary pullover. Size 50

http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd516/SamGagner89/_4-3.jpg (http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/SamGagner89/media/_4-3.jpg.html)

http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd516/SamGagner89/_4-5.jpg (http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/SamGagner89/media/_4-5.jpg.html)
http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd516/SamGagner89/_4-4.jpg (http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/SamGagner89/media/_4-4.jpg.html)

Titans74
10-02-2014, 02:08 PM
Last is a 1995 Alternate velcro closure "95" tag. Size 46.


http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd516/SamGagner89/_4-6.jpg (http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/SamGagner89/media/_4-6.jpg.html)
http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd516/SamGagner89/_4-7.jpg (http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/SamGagner89/media/_4-7.jpg.html)

Titans74
10-02-2014, 07:53 PM
If anyone could offer up their opinions they would be greatly appreciated.

Phil316
10-03-2014, 11:32 AM
The first one is odd as it has a neck tag mostly always seen on retail jerseys. Never seen that before on a game worn Jersey from 1994. The outer tag looks off as well. Like it was sewn on after the fact.

I would ask the seller where he got it from.

The others right off hand I do not know.

Titans74
10-03-2014, 12:08 PM
The first one is odd as it has a neck tag mostly always seen on retail jerseys. Never seen that before on a game worn Jersey from 1994. The outer tag looks off as well. Like it was sewn on after the fact.

I would ask the seller where he got it from.

The others right off hand I do not know.


Thank you Phil. I asked the seller how he came to own the 3 jerseys. His response seemed very straightforward to me. No red flags immediately. I like to think that someone selling non reputable items wouldn't freely admit to having purchased it off Ebay. Liars typically have fantasical tales. Basically, I take him at his word. So the 94 may or may not be "good".

I have a good feeling on the other two jerseys. But I would still love to hear from folks mor1e experienced than myself on the tagging. I'm still learning. ☺

- The 94 two button was purchased off Ebay, years ago.

- The 95 button down was witnessed, by him, being given to a fan directly from Palmeiro. Then purchased from that fan.

- The 2004 TBTC pullover was purchased at the stadium winter sale, that year.

ironmanfan
10-03-2014, 09:22 PM
Those 95 jerseys were manufactured for game use but were never worn in a game (the rumor as to why was pointed to owner Peter Angelos who didn't like them)

sox83cubs84
10-03-2014, 09:32 PM
Next is a 2004 TBTC Orioles 50th Anniversary pullover. Size 50

http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd516/SamGagner89/_4-3.jpg (http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/SamGagner89/media/_4-3.jpg.html)

http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd516/SamGagner89/_4-5.jpg (http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/SamGagner89/media/_4-5.jpg.html)
http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd516/SamGagner89/_4-4.jpg (http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/SamGagner89/media/_4-4.jpg.html)

The size and 0062 tag both are right for a 2004 Raffy jersey.

Dave Miedema

Titans74
10-03-2014, 10:02 PM
Dave and Ironmanfan, thank you both for chiming in. Really appreciate it. A few questions if you don't mind...

Ironmanfan, no black alternates were ever worn in a game anytime in 95? Darn. I really had my hopes up that this particular jersey was good for a gamer. 😢


Dave, would happen to have any insight as to how many of these TBTC jerseys a player might wear in a 2 day/game span?

From what I've been able to find these jerseys were worn Sat. July 24 and Sun. July 25, 2004 vs the Twins. My question basically is: Same jersey both nights or multiple jerseys?

Titans74
10-03-2014, 10:13 PM
Getty has a few really good shots of Raffy that weekend.

It may just be the difference of angle but I'm concerned about the letter placement in his name, especially on the distance between the "A" and "L".


http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd516/SamGagner89/Mobile%20Uploads/51141418-rafael-palmeiro-of-the-baltimore-orioles-gettyimages.jpg (http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/SamGagner89/media/Mobile%20Uploads/51141418-rafael-palmeiro-of-the-baltimore-orioles-gettyimages.jpg.html) http://i1223.photobucket.com/albums/dd516/SamGagner89/_4-4.jpg (http://s1223.photobucket.com/user/SamGagner89/media/_4-4.jpg.html)

84 Canes
10-03-2014, 11:25 PM
I agree with Dave that the 2004 tagging and size are correct. I am not an Orioles expert by any means, but have been a serious Palmeiro collector since his playing days.

Again, it could be the angle, but it appears the 2004 TBTC worn by Raffy in the game photo uses a 'vertical arch' style of lettering for the name. The jersey offered for sale does not. That has caused me to pass on a similar jersey in the past. I hope this helps.

Titans74
10-03-2014, 11:36 PM
I agree with Dave that the 2004 tagging and size are correct. I am not an Orioles expert by any means, but have been a serious Palmeiro collector since his playing days.

Again, it could be the angle, but it appears the 2004 TBTC worn by Raffy in the game photo uses a 'vertical arch' style of lettering for the name. The jersey offered for sale does not. That has caused me to pass on a similar jersey in the past. I hope this helps.

Thank you sir. It always helps to have multiple sets of eyes and opinions. Not a longtime collector, I'm still new and learning. I've been interested for a while and picked up a bat here and there, nothing special. I've yet to pick up a game used jersey...any jersey at all.

While these would have been my first jersey purchases, I'm very grateful to the expertise found here. Thankfully I didn't throw away close to $2000, as I was going to buy all 3 jerseys.

So thank you everyone that helped. ☺


The search continues for a nice Raffy Orioles gamer.

ironmanfan
10-04-2014, 11:20 AM
Dave and Ironmanfan, thank you both for chiming in. Really appreciate it. A few questions if you don't mind...

Ironmanfan, no black alternates were ever worn in a game anytime in 95? Darn. I really had my hopes up that this particular jersey was good for a gamer. 😢

From what I've been able to find these jerseys were worn Sat. July 24 and Sun. July 25, 2004 vs the Twins. My question basically is: Same jersey both nights or multiple jerseys?

I should have been specific and said the black alternates with the front orange pinstriping weren't worn. Yes, they did west black alternates (just not the version in question)

Titans74
10-04-2014, 11:37 AM
I should have been specific and said the black alternates with the front orange pinstriping weren't worn. Yes, they did west black alternates (just not the version in question)

Got it. Thanks again, to everyone. Going to pass on these and keep looking.

Also looking forward to hearing back from the Delmarva Shorebirds. I know I'm a month or so late, but hoping they have a few nice 2014 gamers left.