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3arod13
01-06-2007, 02:45 PM
Other than the money, why else is arod hated so much? I realize why Yankee fans hate him so much (although I feel they contributed to it in the way the constantly booed him). Yes, I'm bias as I am a big Arod fan, but I still don't get it. Jealousy? Your thoughts!

3arod13
01-06-2007, 02:48 PM
Yes, he hasn't played well in the post season, but the way Yankee fans treated him, it would get into my head also if I were him. Everytime he came to the plate, you could tell he was so worried about doing something. I'm a native New Yorker and still, arod fan or not, would not have booed him as much as the Yankee fans did.

JasonM33
01-06-2007, 03:47 PM
He is so amazingly talented that his shoes got way to big. He signed that huge contract and people resent it if you don't immediatley win the World Series and win the MVP every year. His high expectations are hard to live up to. It's not really fair. You can't boo one of your home players and expect him to perform for you. It's not cool.

3arod13
01-06-2007, 05:15 PM
He is so amazingly talented that his shoes got way to big. He signed that huge contract and people resent it if you don't immediatley win the World Series and win the MVP every year. His high expectations are hard to live up to. It's not really fair. You can't boo one of your home players and expect him to perform for you. It's not cool.

Wow! I expected to be slammed with negative responses, as arod seems to be hated by so many. I agree with you, and I believe when it's all said and done, he will be considered one of the best ever. I don't think it's cool at all how Yankee fans have treated him. Myself, I know the booing would get into my head also. Everytime he comes to the plate, he knows if he doesn't perform well, the boo's are coming. I think Yankee fans were too tough on him and hope they ease up next season and let him play. Thanks for the response.

Oil Can Dan
01-06-2007, 05:30 PM
In my opinion he's bush-league. He's insincere. He tries too hard to be liked. He's a phony.

All that said, he's an amazing baseball player. I hope he never plays on a team that wins a ring, though.

Regards,
Dan, a die-hard Red Sox fan

3arod13
01-06-2007, 05:33 PM
In my opinion he's bush-league. He's insincere. He tries too hard to be liked. He's a phony.

All that said, he's an amazing baseball player. I hope he never plays on a team that wins a ring, though.

Regards,
Dan, a die-hard Red Sox fan

Wow! Pretty rough! I agree he definately tries to hard to be liked, and that does turn people off. Bush-league??? Insincere?? I'll disagree with that. Hope he never plays on a team that wins a ring?? Now that's just hateful.

JasonM33
01-06-2007, 05:34 PM
Ouch man, ouch.

Maybe if he start producing in the post season people will cut him some slack. I hope he does.

-Jason M

3arod13
01-06-2007, 05:42 PM
Hey Dan, a die-hard Red Sox fan... Don't be surpised if Arod ends up with Boston after his time with the Yankees! Very possible!

suave1477
01-06-2007, 07:19 PM
3arod13 ok here we go I am a Yankee fan and will be the first one to speak out as I was one of the booers, so I will do the lashing out!!!

1)Your first comment "put aside the money"
Well thats one of the big reasons!!!

2)Can't perform in the post season!!!

3)Chokes most of the time when men are on base, when we have a chance to win.

4) Chokes in the post season!!!

5) Was #6 in the whole league of 2006 of hitting balls into double plays.
(Think about that #6 out of over 700 players, which also means not only do he not bring men hom when they were on base, he took away another players chance to score)

You say its due to the booing, do you forget??? He has been with us since 2004 no one booed him for the first season and a half, so of course he is going to get booed.

People accepted him as a Superstar coming to the team not a Yankee!!!

Also you act like he didn't know what he was getting into like someone blindfolded him from New York, he knows how New York is especially the fans and we demand alot especially from someone making that kind of salary.

And to reiterate number #1 when you demand that kind of salary you expect results to help the team.

Now as far as his stats you can argue and say he's produced so many home runs and so many this and so many that, but thats all on paper. He didn't do any of those things when the team was down he did it when we were ahead by a large margin.

THATS THE REALITY!!!

suave1477
01-06-2007, 07:20 PM
Lets just Thank God Randy Johnson is leaving and maybe we can send ARod back to Texas where he can contribute more there lol lol



AHHHHHHHH I FEEL SO MUCH BETTER GETTING ALL THAT OFF MY CHEST LOL LOL:D

3arod13
01-06-2007, 07:40 PM
Now that's the response I expected.

3arod13
01-06-2007, 07:46 PM
maybe we can send ARod back to Texas where he can contribute more there lol lol



AHHHHHHHH I FEEL SO MUCH BETTER GETTING ALL THAT OFF MY CHEST LOL LOL:D

I love how Yankee fans love to put it all on one player...Arod!

10thMan
01-06-2007, 07:53 PM
I`ve always liked the guy, as a Player. Until recently he`s done pretty well. I`ve watched him Choke a few Times (against the Angels) in the Playoffs!
While I enjoyed Vladi & the Angels Beat up on the Yankees, (or anyone else) I`m not sure the Criticism is worthwhile.

Maybe Arod simply needs a "Slumpbuster" (LOL) or whatever. I was hoping the Angels would pick him up. I`d take him on my favorite Team anyday.

You`ll never do enough for the Average New Yorker...

If he sucks so bad, how come a GOOD Gamer costs so much?

Sean

Oil Can Dan
01-06-2007, 09:43 PM
Wow! Pretty rough! I agree he definately tries to hard to be liked, and that does turn people off. Bush-league??? Insincere?? I'll disagree with that. Hope he never plays on a team that wins a ring?? Now that's just hateful.

His slapping the ball out of Bronson Arroyo's glove in the 2004 ALCS then standing on 2nd base doing the jogging motion as if he had just been running was as insincere as it gets. And slapping the ball out in the first place is the definition of bush league. Let me ask you this - could you see Jeter doing that?

Of course not. He's not bush-league like Slappy McArod is. :)

suave1477
01-07-2007, 05:40 AM
I love how Yankee fans love to put it all on one player...Arod!

wait a minute yankees fans putting it on one player??????

All you sked abut was one plaer you didnt ask about the team!!!


AND YES HE IS ONE PLAYER THAT CAUSED A LOT OF HARM THEN GOOD

SHALL I REPEAT - HE WAS #6 IN OVERALL BASEBALL TO HIT BALLS INTO DOUBLE PLAYS - JETERS NOT #6 CANOS NOT 36 CABRERAS NOT #6 SHALL I GO ON????

GUESS WHAT AROD IS THE #3 BATTER WHICH WILL AUTOMATICALLY PUT HIM IN MOST KEY SITUTATIONS SO YES HE IS THE MAIN BATTER THAT SCREWED UP!!

now if you want to discuss pitching yes we had mostly poor picthing but anytime we had that one chance for a batter to turn around that one game when our pitchers was doing bad GUESS WHO WAS UP TO BAT AND HIT THE BALL INTO A DOUBLE PLAY!!!

3arod13
01-07-2007, 08:20 AM
Ok! White Flag! White Flag! I give up. I guess he'll never be accepted in New York! Thanks for the comments.

JimCaravello
01-07-2007, 10:37 AM
IMHO - I think Yankee fans expect players on the team to act like Don Mattingly did on and off the field - Arod doesn't even come close......IMHO......Jim

3arod13
01-07-2007, 11:56 AM
IMHO - I think Yankee fans expect players on the team to act like Don Mattingly did on and off the field - Arod doesn't even come close......IMHO......Jim

Jim, I agree. His ability is one thing. His actual performance (or lack of)and personal conduct is another. Thanks for all the comments! I'm ready for baseball season to begin.

geoff
01-07-2007, 02:53 PM
I like Alex alot as a ballplayer he just tries too hard in New York.My thinking is he needs too get out of New York and go play elsewhere.But his salary is a huge issue.

3arod13
01-07-2007, 02:57 PM
I like Alex alot as a ballplayer he just tries too hard in New York.My thinking is he needs too get out of New York and go play elsewhere.But his salary is a huge issue.

Agree. I believe arod is good for New York, but New York isn't good for arod. Maybe it is the money. He's under a microscope every at bat. There are so many other star players not performing to par daily, but not everyone is watching their every move, like arod. I do agree, post season performance consistenly stinks, so you can't argue that issue. I only hope the best for him this coming season.

hblakewolf
01-07-2007, 02:58 PM
Forum Readers-
As many of you know, I lived in Seattle for 10 years and have a very good friend who workls for the Mariners. This individual has first-hand experience with Alex and has told me that he was DESPISED by the Mariners brass, team mates and by just about every player in the game.

I indicated that this is hard to believe, and why is this the case. My friend said that he is selfish and only cares about his image, 24/7. He has no interest in doing anything for charity, but does it strictly as an image builder. His team mates hated him in Seattle as he tried to be the center of attention and other players in the game hate him because he tries to get as much camera time as possible. Likewise, he now tries to copy Jeter's every move (i.e., Jeter comes to the top stai in the dugout to watch a homerun, Arod tries to do the same.

On a personal note, he makes me want to puke. Here is a guy making $$millions, and he has to resort to selling every possible piece of clothing and broken bat he can? Bats, hats, running shoes, sliding pants....enough already! When he was with the M's, he whored himself there too and ordered 100 extra game ready jerseys strictly for resale purposes.

FYI

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

3arod13
01-07-2007, 03:02 PM
Ouch! A side of Arod I didn't know about. Not good! Thanks!

JasonM33
01-08-2007, 03:06 AM
I like it when players make game used items available for fans. That sounds like a little much though.

-Jason M

hblakewolf
07-17-2008, 09:25 AM
Confirming what I posted earlier:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/Teammates-Madonna-skip-A-Rod-s-post-game-party?urn=mlb,94236

Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 3:47 pm EDT
Teammates, Madonna skip A-Rod's post-game party


http://f3.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_rumors__17/ept_sports_rumors-590220513-1190571617.jpg?ymiJEL.Cb0tqiM6Q Getty Images

Alex Rodriguez (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5275/)'s teammates must wish they could divorce him too. "He's become a huge distraction with the Madonna fiasco," a source told Page Six. "It's always all about him." That explains why none of his fellow Yankees went to the All-Star bash he hosted at Jay-Z's 40/40 Club Monday night.
Instead, his mommy, Lourdes, and his new best friends, Guy Oseary and Ingrid Casares, were by his side in a corner booth as he threw back shots. And Casares was then spotted leaving A-Rod's Park Avenue pad yesterday afternoon. Reps from Berk Communications, who'd slapped Madonna's name on their tip sheet for the event, kept insisting she was on her way, but she never showed. Instead, A-Rod was entertained by big-busted hotties who shimmied to Material Girl tunes and desperately tried to make eye contact with him.
Over at Marquee, the more likable Derek Jeter (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5406/) threw a bash filled with pals like Billy Crystal and Michael Jordan. Jeter also brought his latest fling, Minka Kelly. They came in separately, but a spy said they were "very much together on the dance floor."
Meanwhile, Mets third baseman David Wright (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7382/) hosted a Vitamin Water party at Hudson Terrace, where Blake Lively, Penn Badgley, Paul Rudd and Yankee pitcher Joba Chamberlain (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/8084/) listened to a midnight performance by 50 Cent
Source: New York Post (http://www.nypost.com/seven/07162008/gossip/pagesix/a_rod_strikes_out_with_party_120057.htm)http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/nt/ic/ut/bsc/newwin12_1.gif (http://www.nypost.com/seven/07162008/gossip/pagesix/a_rod_strikes_out_with_party_120057.htm)
Related: Joba Chamberlain (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/players/Joba+Chamberlain/mlb.p.8084), David Wright (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/players/David+Wright/mlb.p.7382)

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@comcast.net

godwulf
07-17-2008, 10:30 AM
His slapping the ball out of Bronson Arroyo's glove in the 2004 ALCS then standing on 2nd base doing the jogging motion as if he had just been running was as insincere as it gets. And slapping the ball out in the first place is the definition of bush league.

I can't help but think of this incident every time I see the man or hear his name, and I'm not even a Boston fan. "Bush league" is too kind - and an insult to the bush leagues.

nycsports
07-17-2008, 10:34 AM
I have been a life long Yankees fan, and I am a big fan of A-Rod. In regards to his on field play, I am happy the Yankees have him on the team, as would any team, when he puts up 50 HR/150+ RBI numbers. In regards to his "choking in the post season," its crazy to place the blame for the Yankees recent post season failures all on A-Rod. Yes A-Rod has struggled in the post season, but so have 90% of the rest of the Yankees' batters. Pitchers like Jaret Wright, Randy Johnson, Kevin Brown, and even Wang (19+ era in 2007 playoffs) are to blame for the Yankees' recent post season failures as well. A-Rod gets most of the blame however, because he gets paid the most, he's the best player in the game, and a lot is expected from.

In regards to A-Rod's off-field life, I work in NY and see headlines about him in the NY papers every day. It's obvious that the NY press is just trying to write something negative about A-Rod, and most of the time the stories are just ridiculous. For example, yesterday, the NY Post wrote a story about how he was walking down the street in NY and checking out a girl. The Post showed two photos of him looking at the girl, and even wrote a story about this. Is that really news? I look at girls every day when I walk to work (along with every other guy in Manhattan). In in regards to his marital issues and accusations of cheating, I could care less what A-Rod does in his life off the field. If he did cheat on his wife, he's not the first baseball star to do so, (Mantle, Ruth, Boggs, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.) and he wont be the last. I'm just happy A-Rod is a Yankee, and I think most Yankees fans are as well. I mean he got a pretty loud ovation the other night at the A.S. game. And he'll continue to get bashed in the press, but that's just how NY is.

3arod13
07-17-2008, 10:37 AM
Confirming what I posted earlier:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/Teammates-Madonna-skip-A-Rod-s-post-game-party?urn=mlb,94236

Wednesday, Jul 16, 2008 3:47 pm EDT
Teammates, Madonna skip A-Rod's post-game party


http://f3.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_rumors__17/ept_sports_rumors-590220513-1190571617.jpg?ymiJEL.Cb0tqiM6Q Getty Images

Alex Rodriguez (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5275/)'s teammates must wish they could divorce him too. "He's become a huge distraction with the Madonna fiasco," a source told Page Six. "It's always all about him." That explains why none of his fellow Yankees went to the All-Star bash he hosted at Jay-Z's 40/40 Club Monday night.
Instead, his mommy, Lourdes, and his new best friends, Guy Oseary and Ingrid Casares, were by his side in a corner booth as he threw back shots. And Casares was then spotted leaving A-Rod's Park Avenue pad yesterday afternoon. Reps from Berk Communications, who'd slapped Madonna's name on their tip sheet for the event, kept insisting she was on her way, but she never showed. Instead, A-Rod was entertained by big-busted hotties who shimmied to Material Girl tunes and desperately tried to make eye contact with him.
Over at Marquee, the more likable Derek Jeter (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5406/) threw a bash filled with pals like Billy Crystal and Michael Jordan. Jeter also brought his latest fling, Minka Kelly. They came in separately, but a spy said they were "very much together on the dance floor."
Meanwhile, Mets third baseman David Wright (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7382/) hosted a Vitamin Water party at Hudson Terrace, where Blake Lively, Penn Badgley, Paul Rudd and Yankee pitcher Joba Chamberlain (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/8084/) listened to a midnight performance by 50 Cent
Source: New York Post (http://www.nypost.com/seven/07162008/gossip/pagesix/a_rod_strikes_out_with_party_120057.htm)http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/nt/ic/ut/bsc/newwin12_1.gif (http://www.nypost.com/seven/07162008/gossip/pagesix/a_rod_strikes_out_with_party_120057.htm)
Related: Joba Chamberlain (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/players/Joba+Chamberlain/mlb.p.8084), David Wright (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/players/David+Wright/mlb.p.7382)

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@comcast.net

I truly think it's sad for someone as talented as Arod, that he's tainted by his selfishness and "All About Me" attitude. What a waste.

If he would just play the game and take note of guys like Cal Rikpen Jr.

cjclong
07-17-2008, 10:47 AM
I'm not one of those who hate ARod. But there seems to be something about him, and I can't put my finger on it, that seems a little insincere. When he was with Texas Michael Young and he were friends and Young still sticks up for him. After Young hit the sacrifice fly in the All Star Game to win it the camera showed Jeter hugging him and ARod was no where around. Did he leave early? To mention this may be totally unfair, but you seem to notice it. Alex isn't the first player to have problems in his private life, but most of them don't get spotlighted as his do. I collect some of his game used items and think he is a fine player whose only real weakness seems to be that he isn't as clutch as you would want. Maybe he tries too hard to project an image and that's why he doesn't seem to come off as a real person.

nycsports
07-17-2008, 10:52 AM
I truly think it's sad for someone as talented as Arod, that he's tainted by his selfishness and "All About Me" attitude. What a waste.

If he would just play the game and take note of guys like Cal Rikpen Jr.

I hope A-Rod doesn't take notes on how to play like Ripken, cause if he did he'd be a .270 career hitter that averages 20 HR's per year. ;)

cjclong
07-17-2008, 11:04 AM
I guess the last post about Ripken shows everybody has their critics and you can't please everybody.

mr.miracle
07-17-2008, 12:49 PM
I hope A-Rod doesn't take notes on how to play like Ripken, cause if he did he'd be a .270 career hitter that averages 20 HR's per year. ;)

Yeah, you are right, he only had 10 straight seasons with 20 plus homers. So many players have done that over the years that its not worth mentioning. That and two MVP awards he should probably be booted out of the HOF.

AROD313
07-17-2008, 01:02 PM
Jealousy and stupidity! Are the main reasons!

mr.miracle
07-17-2008, 01:04 PM
I have been a life long Yankees fan, and I am a big fan of A-Rod. In regards to his on field play, I am happy the Yankees have him on the team, as would any team, when he puts up 50 HR/150+ RBI numbers. In regards to his "choking in the post season," its crazy to place the blame for the Yankees recent post season failures all on A-Rod. Yes A-Rod has struggled in the post season, but so have 90% of the rest of the Yankees' batters. Pitchers like Jaret Wright, Randy Johnson, Kevin Brown, and even Wang (19+ era in 2007 playoffs) are to blame for the Yankees' recent post season failures as well. A-Rod gets most of the blame however, because he gets paid the most, he's the best player in the game, and a lot is expected from.

In regards to A-Rod's off-field life, I work in NY and see headlines about him in the NY papers every day. It's obvious that the NY press is just trying to write something negative about A-Rod, and most of the time the stories are just ridiculous. For example, yesterday, the NY Post wrote a story about how he was walking down the street in NY and checking out a girl. The Post showed two photos of him looking at the girl, and even wrote a story about this. Is that really news? I look at girls every day when I walk to work (along with every other guy in Manhattan). In in regards to his marital issues and accusations of cheating, I could care less what A-Rod does in his life off the field. If he did cheat on his wife, he's not the first baseball star to do so, (Mantle, Ruth, Boggs, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.) and he wont be the last. I'm just happy A-Rod is a Yankee, and I think most Yankees fans are as well. I mean he got a pretty loud ovation the other night at the A.S. game. And he'll continue to get bashed in the press, but that's just how NY is.


DING DING DING DING, we have a winner, tell them what they won Johnny. The reason the Yankees don't advance in the playoffs over the past seven years is because their pitching sucks. While the rest of the league manages to compete on 50 - 80 million dollar payrolls or less, the Yankees keep signing old, used up pitchers who are not worth the 15 - 20 million per year that they are paid. Can we say Kevin Brown, Randy Johnson, Roger Clemens, Capt. Injury Carl Pavano and even Mike Mussina and Andy Pettite have been spotty at best over the past five seasons. Pitching wins in the playoffs and that is why the Yankees have consistently failed to advance over the past seven seasons with their massive payroll and aging injury prone players. That coupled with the fact that you have aging stars with massive payroll numbers in Jason Giambi, Hideki Matsui, Johnny Damon, and even Posada and this team may be in serious trouble in the next few seasons. Can they reload? Will they reload probably but Jeter just turned 34 and AROD 33 and this roster is built with high salaries with a number of aging players at each position. You can blame AROD but blame the rest of the Yankees as well as they have collectively failed to perform when it counts.

Thanks

nycsports
07-17-2008, 01:13 PM
I guess the last post about Ripken shows everybody has their critics and you can't please everybody.

I was only joking, I enjoyed watching Ripken play. :)

nycsports
07-17-2008, 01:14 PM
Jealousy and stupidity! Are the main reasons!

Exactly!

mr.miracle
07-17-2008, 01:23 PM
I was only joking, I enjoyed watching Ripken play. :)

I know you did, but you are right, AROD has put up crazy numbers compared to everyone but Phat Albert Pujols.

mr.miracle
07-17-2008, 02:33 PM
I am going to try to find an article that I think ESPN did last year prior to the Yankees entering the latest of their playoff flops. It analyzed Jeter and AROD's numbers over the past seven years in the playoffs and AROD was actually playing either better than Jeter or it was dead even. Yankee fans though will always give Jeter a pass since he has four rings as well as his overall play and the way he handles himself on and off the field. Meanwhile, AROD for as hard as he tries turns everything into a 3 ring circus in almost every aspect of his life.

Look at the numbers career wise. AROD will turn 33 later this month not yet is in his 14th season has a 306 lifetime average, 537 homers, 1556 RBI's, 2337 career hits, 948 BB, 278 Stolen Bases, .389 OBP, .578 SLG, .972 OPS. Jeter meanwhile is in his 13th season has played a total of 56 less career games as AROD has a 316 lifetime average, 200 HR, 975 RBI's, 2456 career hits, 788 walks, 269 stolen bases, .386 OBP, .459 SLG, and a .846 OPS. Jeter is making 21.6 million this year and AROD 28 million. Show me those numbers and I would suggest Jeter is overpaid compared to overall production vs. AROD's career numbers. (I actually think they are both overpaid but that is another story). The bottom line is that Jeter handles himself on and off the field in a very professional manner and AROD does not and that will ultimately make the difference no matter what both men do now and in the future.

3arod13
07-17-2008, 03:11 PM
Most of the negative I get about Arod is from the media. I don't see Arod really doing or saying anything wrong. His marriage problems are common in today's society. Only difference with Arod's situation is, the media is all over it, where you and I getting divorced, who cares.

I believe Arod loves the game. He works hard to be the best he can. I think he wants to be the best when it's all said and done, and I don't see anything wrong with that. I don't see him stepping on anyones toes to get there. Media says players think he's all about himself, but don't hear players saying that. Again, all my negative info is from forums like this and the media. Some do know things I don't, so I can only try to figure out what I hear and read.

I will say, like most do. Arod tries to hard to be liked. He overthinks things way too much, and that's where many people say "there's just something about Arod that isn't right." Other than that, I think he's a great baseball players and that's what interests me most about Arod the Baseball Player.

3arod13
07-17-2008, 03:15 PM
The bottom line is that Jeter handles himself on and off the field in a very professional manner and AROD does not and that will ultimately make the difference no matter what both men do now and in the future.

I do agree. However, the media leaves Derek Jeter alone. I'm sure if they wanted too, they could come up with a few good stories.

cjclong
07-17-2008, 03:41 PM
I think that one big difference between Jeter and ARod, particularly in the NY fans perception is that Jeter has had a number of clutch hits that won big important games, particularly in the playoffs and world series. He was MVP of both the All Star Game and the World Series the same year. Until last year ARod was perceived as failing in the clutch. Last year he unquestionably carried the team and got big hits. Then the whole team quit hitting in the playoff. When you look at most players they frequently have lower statistics in the playoffs and WS than during the regular season. Willie Mays did very little in the three WS with the Giants besides his catch in the '54 series. Given that should we regard him as a failure as some do ARod? Jeter has played at the same level or in some ways higher in the playoffs and WS. If ARod could ever be perceived as getting the big hits a lot of the other stuff would be ignored. Since he isn't it sticks.

mr.miracle
07-17-2008, 04:14 PM
I think that one big difference between Jeter and ARod, particularly in the NY fans perception is that Jeter has had a number of clutch hits that won big important games, particularly in the playoffs and world series. He was MVP of both the All Star Game and the World Series the same year. Until last year ARod was perceived as failing in the clutch. Last year he unquestionably carried the team and got big hits. Then the whole team quit hitting in the playoff. When you look at most players they frequently have lower statistics in the playoffs and WS than during the regular season. Willie Mays did very little in the three WS with the Giants besides his catch in the '54 series. Given that should we regard him as a failure as some do ARod? Jeter has played at the same level or in some ways higher in the playoffs and WS. If ARod could ever be perceived as getting the big hits a lot of the other stuff would be ignored. Since he isn't it sticks.


All very good points however in a world where it is common to be asked "what have you done for me lately" Jeter has done very little in the playoffs lately. I guess in the Yankee fans and the media's mind he gets a hall pass for all those great plays in big moments earlier in his career and his 4 rings, and AROD has not had his big moments at the right time. I believe it was pointed out on here before that AROD has a penchant for homering when his team is up 11 - 3 instead of coming up big in the clutch. The other factor is at least in part is that success breeds contempt as the old saying goes. Lets not forget that Jeter is not loved everywhere as a recent SI poll indicated that his peers voted him as the most overrated player in baseball.

David
07-17-2008, 06:57 PM
I'm a Seattlite, and ARod was insincere when he was a young star in Seattle. He'd say these vanilla, well-practiced lines that no one believed, and no one believed he believed. Like, on going to Texas, "It' not about the money," when everyone knew it was all about the money. He tended to come across like Eddie Haskell being polite to Mrs. Cleaver.

allstarsplus
07-17-2008, 07:05 PM
He tended to come across like Eddie Haskell being polite to Mrs. Cleaver.

But June Cleaver bought Eddie's cr*p hook, line and sinker!!!!;)

David
07-17-2008, 10:59 PM
Having seen many a Leave it to Beaver, I believe Mrs. Cleaver knew Eddie was full of it. 'Full of it' not being a phrase she'd use, of course.

bigtime59
07-18-2008, 07:41 AM
Everything I've read and heard about Miss Pay-Rod suggests that--rather like a girl gymnast whose entire world is her sport, and who lives in a bubble--she is an incomplete human being.
Over on the baseball-fever boards, she was summed up by a former major league player as "the most insecure millionaire I've ever met".

Mark
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David
07-18-2008, 01:39 PM
I give due credit to players who stay in shape and work hard-- as opposed to those who don't-- and ARod is a hard worker. I personally can't stand Terrell Owens, but people say he always comes to camp in shape and tries as hard as anyone when he's playing, so I give Terrell due credit for that. I believe ARod is a bit of a phoney, but everyone has to give him credit for being a hard worker and taking his game seriously.

Nnunnari
07-18-2008, 03:16 PM
A Rod's the definition of a douche bag. You just have to watch the guy's mannerisms and body language and you can tell how insecure and full of himself he is. He is more worried about what people are thinking of him than anything else. He tries extremely hard to give off this attitude like he doesn't care and pressure doesn't get to him when really it's the exact opposite. He chews bubble gum like a tool, exagerated chewing that makes him look more ridiculous that he already is. He's a guy that nobody likes being around- he has no baseball buddies because he's a pretty boy that nobody has respect for. He tries really hard to come off as a hard nosed player, but those type of players don't have to try to be gamers they just are, i.e. Jeter, Erstad, Youkilis.

Nathan
07-18-2008, 11:50 PM
Most of this thread is ridiculous. It's mostly nothing but regurgitated garbage from the media and a bunch of stuff that doesn't matter in any way, shape, or form.

You're kidding me, right? "Vanilla lines"? "Insecure"? The guy plays baseball for a living and every move that he makes is instantly scrutinized by seven different local newspapers, two major national sports networks, and millions of people.

I know when I think of players I can't stand (Bonds, Clemens, etc), "insecurity" and "media blandness" are at the top of my list.

3arod13
08-05-2008, 02:02 PM
Funny how since Arod signed with the Yankees for 10 years, fans have a totally different attitude about Arod.

Add more years...you get more love

Sheffield11
08-05-2008, 03:08 PM
I dont think it was the contract, it was because he actually produced good last year in situations.

ironmanfan
08-05-2008, 03:22 PM
Against my better judgement, I actually watched the Yankees/Angels game on Sunday (which actually turned out to be a fun game to watch), but again I heard that A-Rod's average this season with 'Runners in Scoring Position' was in the .230's...he then hit a ball to Figgins which should have been an inning ending DP (bases were loaded) but Figgins booted it and was charged with an error

joelsabi
08-05-2008, 03:30 PM
Against my better judgement, I actually watched the Yankees/Angels game on Sunday (which actually turned out to be a fun game to watch), but again I heard that A-Rod's average this season with 'Runners in Scoring Position' was in the .230's...he then hit a ball to Figgins which should have been an inning ending DP (bases were loaded) but Figgins booted it and was charged with an error

its .245 right now with a career .303 RISP. Jeters is .299 right now with a career .311 RISP

joelsabi
10-01-2008, 12:06 PM
ARod is the new Roger Maris, a good non-homegrown player. Until he get a championship ARod will not be fully accepted by the Yankee fans. So is CC or Sheets coming to the Yankees?

3arod13
10-01-2008, 12:41 PM
I find it odd how a player like arod with his ability can't come through in the clutch.

His numbers each year are always great. But what good does that do for your team winning a championship, if you can't come through when it really matters?

3arod13
10-01-2008, 01:09 PM
Even as big of a Arod fan that I am, I'm kinda getting bored with just him doing his thing during the year. The talent he has, and the number of years he's been playing, he should be doing his thing in the post season (well, not this year of course)

skyking26
10-01-2008, 01:11 PM
I think there are probably alot of guys that have difficulty in the clutch, but put up great numbers. Current example is Thome. He came thru last night, but up til then he was suffering a horrid end to the year.

Arod's numbers in clutch and coming off as cocky to many are probably culprits in his issues with popularity...

3arod13
10-01-2008, 01:13 PM
Arod's numbers in clutch and coming off as cocky to many are probably culprits in his issues with popularity...

I somewhat agree. I don't see the cockiness in him, however, I do see him always trying to say the right things, and he comes off being fake about it.

skyking26
10-01-2008, 01:16 PM
I somewhat agree. I don't see the cockiness in him, however, I do see him always trying to say the right things, and he comes off being fake about it.
Was wondering if you'd met him, how was he?

3arod13
10-01-2008, 01:20 PM
Was wondering if you'd met him, how was he?

Never had the opportunity to meet him. Would be something I would look forward too.

Arod's hated for many reasons. I think most of it is jealousy. You can't argue with his workout habits. You can't argue with his intense play on the field. You can't argue with his numbers year after year. You can argue his post season play. The money he makes...who cares. If we all had the opportunity to get paid like that, we would have no problem.

Looking forward to next years. Bye bye Giambi and Abreu

joelsabi
10-01-2008, 01:33 PM
Looking forward to next years. Bye bye Giambi and Abreu

Hope they keep both. Cano and Melky underperformed.

If they trade any of them for pitching i am for it.

3arod13
10-01-2008, 01:34 PM
Hope they keep both. Cano and Melky underperformed.

If they trade any of them for pitching i am for it.

Definately time for Giambi to go. Doesn't give much at 1st base. Low batting average and he's only good for a few HR's here and there.

whatupyos
10-01-2008, 01:49 PM
Definately time for Giambi to go. Doesn't give much at 1st base. Low batting average and he's only good for a few HR's here and there.


I understand you're pro- ARod, but I think thats a huge knock on Giambi. Yes, you're right, ARod had a better AVE. but the power numbers are too close to say "...he's only good for a few HR's here and there".


Ave. HR's RBI's AB's Walks K's

ARod's 2008 stats .302 35 103 510 65 117
Giambi's 2008 stats .247 32 96 458 76 111


Giambi's only 3 HR's away with 52 less officical AB's. Only 7 RBI's away with less K's. So, if you're going to knock Giambi, I think its a little unfair since he was close to ARod in the HR's and RBI's plus K's less.

kellsox
10-01-2008, 01:49 PM
Definately time for Giambi to go. Doesn't give much at 1st base. Low batting average and he's only good for a few HR's here and there.

2007 HR's
A Rod 35
Giambi 32

Also, Arod's OBP was only about 20 points higher

kellsox
10-01-2008, 01:50 PM
Sorry...2008 HR totals

3arod13
10-01-2008, 01:53 PM
I understand you're pro- ARod, but I think thats a huge knock on Giambi. Yes, you're right, ARod had a better AVE. but the power numbers are too close to say "...he's only good for a few HR's here and there".


Ave. HR's RBI's AB's Walks K's

ARod's 2008 stats .302 35 103 510 65 117
Giambi's 2008 stats .247 32 96 458 76 111


Giambi's only 3 HR's away with 52 less officical AB's. Only 7 RBI's away with less K's. So, if you're going to knock Giambi, I think its a little unfair since he was close to ARod in the HR's and RBI's plus K's less.

You forgot to add that Arod was out for a month. Give him those games bat and he's got 45 HR's and 125 RBI's

joelsabi
10-01-2008, 01:58 PM
Definately time for Giambi to go. Doesn't give much at 1st base. Low batting average and he's only good for a few HR's here and there.


Giambi is still productive. Hes second on the team in hr and third in rbis. Time for him to go? Dont think so.

3arod13
10-01-2008, 02:01 PM
Giambi is still productive. Hes second on the team in hr and third in rbis. Time for him to go? Dont think so.

Ok, I give up!

whatupyos
10-01-2008, 02:02 PM
I don't care if he was out half the year. The numbers don't lie. If he's out 1 week or 6 weeks the AB's are close, the numbers too close to judge. You're making a huge assumption that AROd would have had projected numbers even better. What if ARod K'd the whole month he would have played. I don't go by what if's...I go by what was put up. What if ARod actually played well in the playoff's? Which he doesn't....see what I mean. Go by what he did, not what you think he would have done is all I'm saying.

3arod13
10-01-2008, 02:05 PM
when it's all said and done....Giambi's gone