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Stanley
02-06-2016, 12:08 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/262275198726?euid=e6032df6b884476d9d05a25249dc4fb3&cp=1
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Ebay : Pete Rose Philadelphia Phillies Game Used Uncracked 1980-82 LS R211 Auto Bat

Has anyone seen a Pete Rose bat with just ROSE in block letters? Need a little help. Thanks

Juicyfruit66
02-06-2016, 05:00 AM
Looks like it got bought on the down low

yanks12025
02-06-2016, 08:02 AM
I haven't seen one with just ROSE. And theres other LVS from that same time period and they have his signature branded. Also the guy relisted it at $1,995.

metsbats
02-06-2016, 08:35 AM
Here's an S2 from 80-83. It would be strange for a block Letter ROSE to be produced when he had signature models during that time period. However from the MastroNet Reference guide R211 was a model that Rose ordered during his playing days. Perhaps the bat was block stamped during a window when Rose's contact with HB expired and a new one was being negotiated?

metsbats
02-06-2016, 01:07 PM
Bobby Rose 1989-1992
Brian Rose 1997-2001
Chuck Rose 1909-1909
Don Rose 1971-1974
Mike Rose 2004-2006
Pete Rose 1963-1986
Pete Rose 1997-1997

There were no other players during the 1980-83 time period named Rose other than the ATHL.

metsbats
02-06-2016, 01:11 PM
https://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=17602


Here's some info on 80-83 Rose R211 bat orders.

Mike mentions something about HB going to a new system. Perhaps something went wrong with the stamp machine and they had to block Letter some bats?

sox83cubs84
02-06-2016, 06:19 PM
Here's an S2 from 80-83. It would be strange for a block Letter ROSE to be produced when he had signature models during that time period. However from the MastroNet Reference guide R211 was a model that Rose ordered during his playing days. Perhaps the bat was block stamped during a window when Rose's contact with HB expired and a new one was being negotiated?

I'm not a bat expert, but just a thought: might such an unusual bat have come about during the time he was ordering items from Mizuno? Just a thought.

Dave Miedema

Juicyfruit66
02-06-2016, 07:38 PM
Lesson learned here, always put the .99 cent bid on the item before posting it...it would have taken a lot of bidding or shilling to reach that asking price :).

Stanley
02-06-2016, 08:13 PM
I thought it could be a very interesting bat at the very least. And like a few have said, it sounds like it was probably when Rose was doing the Mizuno contract. I've searched for many, many hours on the web trying to find another one. Must be a pretty rare Rose bat? I feel confident it will come up again. Thanks for everyones input, Stanley

yanks12025
02-06-2016, 09:56 PM
I looked at it again and noticed two things. 1. The Rose stamping isn't straight and even, theres couple letters crooked. 2. The model number is also stamped funny. The second 1 is almost side ways.

metsbats
02-06-2016, 10:09 PM
I would love to hear Mike S's opinion on this bat.

Juicyfruit66
02-06-2016, 11:00 PM
This is getting juicy...is the sig legit?

anatfan09
02-06-2016, 11:11 PM
quite a few getty image shots of Pete using a Louisville Slugger with this style knob while playing for the Phillies. Similar finish as well. The block "Rose" is probably about impossible to find a photo of.

Juicyfruit66
02-06-2016, 11:39 PM
A guy named Peter Redflower just messaged me, he heard we were taking bets on the bat's legitimacy. He said to wait til the pot is high and to put a bid in for him but to keep it on the down low. He sounded out of breath like he never takes it easy, always hustling around.

Stanley
02-07-2016, 12:50 AM
Well......Tell you the truth...I bought it. Did not pay asking price. And I came here for help first. So did I just buy a new stake for my cow fence? It needs one anyway.

Dewey2007
02-07-2016, 11:58 AM
For what it's worth I once had a '80-83 block letter LVS Dale Murphy bat that he handed to me right out of the bat rack at Candlestick Park that Vince Malta could find no order record for so anything is possible. Hopefully Mike S. can chime in eventually with his thoughts.

Stanley
02-07-2016, 01:59 PM
"Countdown To Cobb: My Diary of the Record-Breaking 1985 Season" by Pete Rose

"When I went to Japan in the fall of 1980 to sign a deal with the Mizuno Corp. to use its bats,"

MSpecht
02-13-2016, 03:50 AM
A review of Pete Rose's personal bat order records from Hillerich & Bradsby documents that bats were manufactured for the personal professional use of Pete Rose during what is generally known as the 1980 - 1983 /1983-1985 label period. In Rose's records, The orders are dated 10/9/1981 to 5/15/1985. Note also that there is a six month gap in Rose's records between 4/1/1981 and 10/9/1981. That gap is due to H & B eliminating its old method of handwritten order cards and instituting a computerized method.



This discussion centers around a baseball bat manufactured by H & B for Pete Rose. The player's name on the barrel brand is Rose, branded as ROSE. The question is whether the referenced player is Pete Rose, or someone else. The oddity is that Pete Rose is known to have been a H & B contract player and the expectation would be that his name would appear as a facsimile . Here is some background information:


Pete Rose was first signed to a contract by H & B on 6/9/1961. His first order of two bats with his facsimile signature was model K55. Rose remained a H & B contract player into the early 1980's. At that time Rose had a contract dispute with H & B and was being courted by Mizuno to use the Japanese company's equipment, including bats, for what was termed "an extremely large amount of money. " Lawsuits were filed and ultimately an out-of-Court settlement was reached which allowed H & B to continue using Rose's signature.


During that period of time, H & B manufactured Pete's bats with both a facsimile signature and also bats with his name in block letters. His records document 21 orders of signature model bats ( 127 bats) and 7 orders of bats ( 21 bats) with block letters during this period. Four orders of block letter bats are documented to match the bat under discussion as follows:


9-7-82 / R211 / 34.5 inches / 32 ounces / Wax Finish / 12 bats

9-30-82 / R211 / 34.5 / 32 / Wax / 12

11-2-82 / R211 / 34.5 / Wax / Natural / 1

9-6-83 / R211 / 34.5 / None / 12


Ultimately, the manufacture and use of block letter bats during the 1980 - 1985 label period is documented in Pete Rose's H & B bat order records. Of interest also is Rose's use of H & B model R211 throughout this period of his career. Rose's first used model R211 after he specified H & B to replicate an Adirondack model 129A on 8/16/1979. He used the model consistently during the early - mid 1980's.

Mike Jackitout7@aol.com

Juicyfruit66
02-13-2016, 01:49 PM
So is the bat a legit rose?

metsbats
02-13-2016, 04:33 PM
So is the bat a legit rose?

From what Mike presented yes.:)

yanks12025
02-13-2016, 05:27 PM
Just curious if the buyer can post better pictures of the bat to show the amount of use. Thanks

Juicyfruit66
02-14-2016, 12:11 AM
So cool, took a gamble and it paid off...the handwriting looked like it was real so that was prob a good sign but still....now you own a super rare rose bat!

Stanley
02-14-2016, 10:43 PM
Thanks to Mr. Mike S. for the time spent on this project. Thanks for his time and knowledge in the records of MLB. Even if this went the other way I would of been impressed and repect how this gentlemen worked it out. That being said...
The bat is 34 1/2 inches. Bat shows use with both the right and left sides of the barrel having large grain swelling. The rest of the bat is completely smooth. Bat is also lightly sanded as can clearly see the finish in those spots have been taken off on label. Bat rack marks, cleat marks, most grain swelling from contacts can feel that with your hand. I would say that the bat feels like it has been boned..
Will post pics. soon...