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I would like to know your opinion on this jersey that was for sale on ebay. Im new to collecting and would like your help Thank You. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...0140&rd=1&rd=1
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Re: Reggie Jackson 1982 game used jersey
All the Jackson Angels jerseys I have seen have been a size 48? I have never seen a size 44 one. -
Re: Reggie Jackson 1982 game used jersey
The 1985 road jersey in my collection is a size 48.Always looking for game used San Diego Chargers items...Comment
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Re: Reggie Jackson 1982 game used jersey
This Orioles jersey shows that he did wear a size 44 http://www.greyflannelauctions.com/s...=495&Premier=YComment
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Re: Reggie Jackson 1982 game used jersey
Your right, and he wore a size 42 with the A's. The Orioles is a 1976 and the Angels is a 1982.. a lot of time for growth there. I have seen at least 9 Angels jerseys..all size 48.
Can we say Jackson wore a size 44.. absolutely.. has anyone seen a size 44 Angels? I have not.. I just went through a bunch of auction catalogs with Jackson jerseys in it.. all were size 48.
Between this and the fact that the seller of that jersey would not even say it is game used but just "hinted" at the possibility alone would be a indicator to me that the jersey is not a game worn.
Did you buy it?
Going for a diamond in the ruff?
I can only state what I have seen and Eric has one (size 48) as well. I'm sorry I have never seen a Angels jersey that small for Jackson... Just stating to what I have seen in this hobby in 10 + years...
David.Comment
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Thank You very much David. Yes I did buy the jersey and I Thank You for your helpComment
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Re: Reggie Jackson 1982 game used jersey
Forget about the small size 44 and focus on the NOB.
The J and N are completely wrong. They are oversized compared to the other letters on the back and also wrong for a Wilson home jersey. All the letters should be the same cut/size/style.
Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net
ALWAYS BUYING PHILLIES, PORTLAND BEAVERS AND PORTLAND MAVERICKS JERSEYSComment
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Re: Reggie Jackson 1982 game used jersey
I'm not sure when the practice began, but I own a 1988 Road Finley and it's stamped "Purchased from the California Angels" inside the jersey.Comment
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Re: Reggie Jackson 1982 game used jersey
Dick Dobbins sold a huge quantity of Angels jerseys and stamped them as such. The majority were Rawlings, and he had to have the NOB restored. I have the Von Hayes and Rick Schu, and the restoration of the NOB is PERFECT! I believe fellow Forum reader Lon Lewis did the restoration work.
Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.netComment
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Re: Reggie Jackson 1982 game used jersey
Thanks for the info Howard! I purchased the Finley jersey directly from Dick & the NOB has been restored. I wasn't aware he stamped the jersey.Comment
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as howard, mentioned the nob has issues. it's a vertical arch but not a correct version. for me, the biggest red flag is the "a". it should be a "blunt top", rather than a sharp top. here's how it ought to look compared to how it does look:
this seller is also offering a 1988 bo jackson (discussed in a previous thread) that suffers from the exact same incorrect vertical arch. the "a" on the bo jackson is also incorrect.
i have no idea whether these jerseys were issued or worn. the nobs however seem to have been restored incorrectly.
rudy.Comment
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Re: Reggie Jackson 1982 game used jersey
Since this jersey has already sold,there's not much to say except that those of you who have already posted regarding the NOB lettering are correct. The style used is not consistent with a "Wilson" vertical arc. In fact, it's not consistent with any of the Angels jerseys with a vertically arced NOB from any mfr. It should also be noted that the placement of the back #'s and NOB are way too low (they appear to be 10+ inches instead of the normal 8 1/2 + or - and the front 4's appear to be out of the norm as far as placement and type. I'll add that I've only seen Jackson jerseys in a size 48 for both Wilson and Goodman mfrs. Finally, Howard you are correct in that I did restore the Angels jerseys for Dick Dobbins in 1993-94 the majority of which were Rawlings but there was a small quantity of both Wilson and Goodman. I know there was a total of about 1100 jerseys and about 800 had some form of restoration. (NOB, # chg, ect.)Comment
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Re: Reggie Jackson 1982 game used jersey
Interesting discussion here on the Reggie Jackson Angels jersey. A few notes:
a. At the time indicated, 1993, Dick Dobbins told me that only a small percentage of the jerseys had original names on the back. I had him send me a list where he put a star next to the ones with the original names on back. I helped Dick identify a lot of the jerseys by providing weekly rosters so he could get the names restored on the backs. I also purchased a quantity of the jerseys from Dick, both with the original name panel and with restoration.
b. I have seen many of the Angels jerseys with restored names on back that came from Dick. The restoration work is very well done, about as good as it gets in my opinion. However, I would not use the term "perfect" to describe them. If they are held up to the light, there is always some place where the old stitching pattern can be seen from where the original name panels were removed from the backs. Over the years, I have asked approximately 10 people who have sold these restored jerseys at auction if they are restored. Not one has correctly told me that the jerseys were restored, even after I asked them to hold it up to the light and to check. All had restoration when I received them.
c. I put about six Wilson home Reggie Jackson jerseys on to the market back in the early to mid 1980's. Most were size 48, but I clearly recall size 46 also on a couple. The one I kept for myself was a size 47. The "47" is embroidered over a Wilson tag with a blank space for the size. I also had one Goodman & Sons road jersey, and it was size 48. I don't ever recall seeing an Angels size 44 for Reggie.
d. General word of caution I do not recall ever seeing discussed on this forum. Back in the mid 1980's, with 1985 and 1986 being the primary time I remember, there was a dealer out here in California that obviously had some kind of connection with Goodman & Sons. At the conventions or baseball card shows, they would set up large selections of Goodman & Sons jerseys from at least the Angels and Astros, although I recall there were other teams (perhaps Mets) where I had no interest. Of course, it was always the star jerseys over and over again. I cannot tell you how many road Goodman & Sons Angels of Jackson, Carew, Lynn, John, Sutton, DeCinces, Grich, Downing and the like that I saw at those shows. Unfortunately, there were also a lot of Nolan Ryan Astros. Goodman & Sons shirts had no special tagging, so there was no way to tell these shirts apart from what was actually used. To this day, there is no way to tell them apart. Many of you have probably noted a large number of road Angels of the stars over the years in the market in comparison to the home Angels. Also, a lot of Nolan Ryan Goodman & Sons jerseys from the Astros. I watched at these shows when one shirt was sold, and within minutes an identical one would be back out on sale. These included jerseys with the special patches like 1985 Angels and I believe 1986 Astros. One time I was even standing around looking at some of the jerseys at a show, and two of the Angels Stadium clubhouse employees walked up behind me. I knew who they were, but they did not know me. One said to the other that there was no way the Angels jerseys could be real. The other replied that if they were real, that neither of them would have jobs there any longer! I thought that was pretty funny. Bottom line, to this day, I will not touch any of the road Goodman & Sons Angels star jerseys from 1982-1986, and certainly not any of the Ryan Astros shirts from this general time period.
Tom DuinoComment
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Re: Reggie Jackson 1982 game used jersey
From my previous post, I should have mentioned that of course most if not all of the Goodman & Sons jerseys that I discussed that come around again through auctions or other routes the past several years have glowing certificates of authenticity from highly respected organizations in the hobby, and some without such good reputations. I always tell myself "no way" when I see these certificates. How could they know these shirts were "real" or not? I wish whoever writes these certificates had been standing there at those shows and seen what went on with the Goodman & Sons shirts.
Obviously this is a case of buyer beware to those who chose to read this message that is based on my long time experiences (I started collecting game used in 1975 at the age of 13).
Tom DuinoComment
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