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hiramman
03-14-2007, 09:53 PM
New listing on ebay for a 1974 Munson Yankee jersey.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1974-THURMAN-MUNSON-GAME-WORN-PINSTRIPED-YANKEES-JERSEY_W0QQitemZ160096175021QQcategoryZ60597QQrdZ1 QQcmdZViewItem

Has anyone heard of the Wilson Registered R issue the seller is talking about?

kingjammy24
03-15-2007, 12:36 AM
http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=1592

rudy.

hblakewolf
03-15-2007, 06:23 AM
There are always exceptions to every rule, however, this is so out there........

I've sold hundreds of knit jerseys from this time frame, and have NEVER seen the registered mark located on the bottom position of the N on any 1974 or 1975 jersey.

Attached, please find one example of how the Phillies Wilson logo appears with the usual embroidery on Bowa's 1974 road jersey:

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As for the other elements of this "1974 Munson" actually being correct, I suggest other Forum readers WHO ARE EXPERTS WITH yANKEES JERSEYS, such as Jim Caravello or Keith Vari, add their comments.

FYI

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

ALWAYS BUYING PHILLIES, PORTLAND BEAVERS AND PORTLAND MAVERICKS JERSEYS

JimCaravello
03-15-2007, 07:55 AM
If you review the Seller's listing, he has a picture of the auction catalog the jersey was once listed in. I believe it was Geppi's / Kranepool's first auction if not mistaken - this jersey was pulled from the auction once it started - as I believe many people contacted Geppi's once the catalogs went out and it was clearly evident that the Wilson tag was all wrong. Like Howard, I have never seen a Wilson jersey from this era with the Registered symbol on the bottom like this. I doubt you will see any bidding on this jersey, as ( 1 ) people who will spend this kind of money on this piece know the history of the jersey and ( 2 ) its out of reach of the casual bidder who may not be knowledgeable about Wilson tags from this era AND the Seller himself is honest enough to put the facts down which will keep the causal bidder away.

I have a 79 Yankees jersey that I know is legitimate that has the Registered symbol at the top, but 78 / 79 was a transition year as Rudy has shown with the detail in his post and I am more than comfortable with my piece. 1974 is too long a period from 1978 to assume any transition or testing of new tags.

Let me know if anyone has any questions. Jim

flaco1801
03-15-2007, 09:58 AM
that jersey lools kinda clean, being a set 1 this jersey should be a lil bit more used. thurman was a down in the dirt throwback catcher, his shirts should be like pigpens, even after a goood washing.

kingjammy24
03-15-2007, 02:01 PM
without referring at all to this specific jersey, i thought i'd add a few bits about time gaps between tagging and use.

ordinarily, i'd accept a max. of 1 year behind on a jersey. that is, i'd accept 1989 tagging on a 1990 jersey. 2 years would just have me personally uncomfortable. 4 yrs would be ludicrous.

however, a part of me thinks that, in general, the yankees may be an anomaly. personally, i've never seen a team recycle uniforms to the extent that the yankees did in the 80s and 90s. (pretty easy to recycle when your design never changes). for almost every team, i think a 4 yr gap (from tagging to use) would be ludicrous EXCEPT for perhaps the yankees.

here is a steiner 1992-tagged matt nokes jersey that had the 1997 jackie robinson patch removed. that's a 5 yr gap!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8740527564

personally, i'd never accept a 5 yr gap from any team. the yankees may be an exception.

rudy.

suave1477
03-15-2007, 02:26 PM
Rudy well the Yankees still havent changed for there 2007 Spring Training Opening day when they wear the Pinstripe Jerseys, some of those were recycled from 2006 and 2005.

Eric
03-15-2007, 02:29 PM
When did the yankees use year tags near the wilson tag like that. I am only familiar with the year and set located with the name in the neck tag?

Eric

kingjammy24
03-15-2007, 03:05 PM
more tidbits:

1973 set 2 munson jersey:
http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=1637

tagging determined to be incorrect for 1973; tagging is from 1978-1985.

1973 set 1 munson jersey:
http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=2455

not sure what the tagging was on that one?

i think that the odds of 1 munson having a 4 yr old tag is remote but possible. 2 (possibly 3) munsons have 4 yr old tags? why did munson seem to keep getting the runts? unless of course, it's not a coincidence and all jerseys originated from the same (inept) source.

eric, is this not how the tagging should be on a 1974 yankees gamer?:

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/2002/munsonvb8.jpg

rudy.

kingjammy24
03-15-2007, 03:08 PM
an interesting shirt:

http://www.lelands.com/bid.aspx?auctionid=512&lot=968

a 1973 shirt with evidence that it was used in 1978. another 5 yr gap.

rudy.

Eric
03-15-2007, 03:31 PM
But again, the year and set information on the White jersey is in the neck tag. Do we have cases of a year and set tag in the tail by the wilson label on Yankees shirts?

Eric

kingjammy24
03-15-2007, 03:35 PM
eric,

see my pic in post #9. a year/set tag in the tail on a 1974 wilson yankees shirt.

rudy.

Eric
03-15-2007, 03:53 PM
Your photo says 74 Set 1, the munson on ebay says 74 1. Seems odd.
Do the script styles seem to match?

Eric

JimCaravello
03-15-2007, 06:11 PM
Guys - here is a link to my Stottlemyre Jersey from 1974 for sale. This is a road - and I know for a fact all road jerseys were tagged like this. Note that the word "Set" is in the tail. I have good friends who have 1974 jerseys that are tagged identical to this Stottlemyre.

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=6931&highlight=stottlemyre

There are also Yankees jerseys from 1978 that are tagged with the name in the collar and have just the year and set number in the tail, without the word "Set". I know - I own a Roy White from 1978 tagged this way and at one time had a Jackson tagged the same way ( road ).

Those are the only two years that I know of from the 70's where the name is stitched into the collar and the year and set number are stitched into the tail on Yankees jerseys.

I think we are losing focus a little on the Wilson symbol. I mentioned earlier that I have a 79 jersey that has the registered symbol at the top - great provenance with the jersey and it makes sense. 78 was the last year for the registered symbol at the top and this is a transition jersey. I am most comfortable with it.

The problem is that the Munson is tagged from 1974 and has a 1979 tag in the tail. If this jersey was recycled from 1974, a new Wilson tag would not have been placed into the tail. If the jersey is from 1979 or later, why would it be stitched with data from 1974?? Hmmmmmmmm........Oh, by the way - SCD Authenticated this???

This is a very good example of a forged Munson jersey............that the authenticators missed............

Jim

JimCaravello
03-15-2007, 06:18 PM
Here's my White from 1978.........

JimCaravello
03-15-2007, 06:26 PM
One more thing - not too confuse us all even more.....but in 1978, Yankees jerseys were tagged like my Roy White that is pictured and they were also tagged with the name, year and set number in the collar that we are used to seeing as you see below on my Piniella ( sorry for the lousy photo ).....

To summarize - All 1974 jerseys are tagged like my Stottlemyre and 1978 jerseys have two variations - one like the Roy White and the other like the Piniella......

Thus, there are two problems with the Munson on ebay - not only is the Wilson tag all wrong, but "Set" is missing from the tail tagging......

Jim

kingjammy24
03-15-2007, 10:29 PM
i've just re-read this thread and realized i was on a mental vacation in my previous responses. for some reason, i seem to have thought it was a 1974 wilson tag with a 1978+ strip tag. hence my comments about why a 4 yr gap might not be out of the realm of possibility for a yankees shirt.

however i now see it's the other way around - a 1978-85 wilson tag with a 1974 strip tag. for me, that's all that needs to be said. the script and format of the strip tag are irrelevant. it's my assertion that this style of wilson tag didn't even exist in 1974. at best it MAY have possibly existed in 1977. unless munsen found a way to successfully travel into the future, this jersey makes no sense.

anyway, jim, troy has said that, contrary to the ebay ad, scda didn't authenticate the shirt.

rudy.

JimCaravello
03-16-2007, 05:46 AM
Rudy - thanks for the post and glad to see that SCD did not authenticate that piece even though the Geppi Auction Catalog said they did.................

kingjammy24
07-22-2007, 02:50 AM
here it is again... first time around:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160096175021

and here it is now:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230154428016

rudy.

kingjammy24
07-22-2007, 02:55 AM
$8500
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160096175021

$7500
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160110148867

$5999:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160120787367


rudy.