Theories on Steiner Soriano?

[Eric]

Hello everyone

The folks at Yankees Steiner are selling a Alfonso Soriano game used 2001 Yankees #12 jersey. Here's the link

http://cgi.ebay.com/Yankees-2001-12-Alfonso-Soriano-Game-Used-Home-Jersey_W0QQitemZ260123894475QQihZ016QQcategoryZ60597QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I wrote to Bob Malandro from Steiner to point out that the #2 is a different style than what the Yanks use. Compare it to the Clemens they're selling

Soriano

Clemens


Bob says it definitely came from the Yankees clubhouse, there's no evidence of a number change, so his theory is the Yankees may have had it done outside of their regular jersey order. Any ideas of what this jersey is? Any photos of the Yankees using numbering like this?

Eric

[sarahsdad]

Re: Theories on Steiner Soriano?

I think it belongs in the same category as the Giambi bat. But of course it is not Steiner's fault it is the fault of some dope in the warehouse who just ships out what he's told. On all the Yankee jerseys in the marketplace has anyone ever seen a #2 like that? Can anyone photomatch Soriano in the jersey? With a #2 like that it should be easy. If it was really worn.
Sarahsdad

[Yankwood]

Re: Theories on Steiner Soriano?

That's the same "2" that was on the fake Mattingly, I think it was, that was shown on here a while back.

[Eric]

Re: Theories on Steiner Soriano?

This Mattingly?

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=7826&highlight=mattingly+jersey

[kingjammy24]

Re: Theories on Steiner Soriano?

2001 soriano..#12 huh?

#12 in 2001 was clay bellinger and only clay bellinger.

in 2001, soriano wore #33 and only #33.

soriano in the 2001 world series:


rudy.

[kingjammy24]

Re: Theories on Steiner Soriano?

in 2001, the yankees home and road jerseys bore the AL 100th Anniversey patch on the right sleeve. as well, later in the 2001 season the yankees wore a black armband on the left sleeve for the WTC victims. i can understand how a game-issued jersey might not have the late season black armband but it didn't even come with the AL 100th Anniv. patch that they wore from the start of the season?

2001:



anyway, the first time soriano wore #12 was 2002.

rudy.

[kingjammy24]

Re: Theories on Steiner Soriano?

"anything is possible". it's possible that the yankees had a jersey made up locally and the local guy screwed up the 2. i've seen local shops screw up major league orders and have seen those messed up orders show up on the field. in the end, who knows what happened or why. its a little like this jersey:

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=934

the anomaly should make it easy to photomatch. without a match though, it's just a wierd anomaly. i wouldn't want an unmatched anomaly in my collection. it's nothing but a big question mark. no need for such a jersey when there are plenty of perfect 10s to go around.

anyway, check these pics out. they're from old timers games at yankee stadium. notice the sleeve logos? i wonder where these jerseys ended up. mixed in with the gamers perhaps? yankee stadium sounds like a mess. saying "it came from yankee stadium" may not be enough.



rudy.

[XPFO]

Re: Theories on Steiner Soriano?

I too asked about the jersey and why the 2 was different and the situation with Soriano not wearing the jersey # until 2002 and this is the response I received

"Jersey was incorrectly listed as 2001, s/b 2002. Yes, font is inconsistent, but no evidence of # change, and it cam from Yankees clubhouse, as do all of our jerseys; not the first time that a number with a differnt font/style has shown up"

Interesting.....

[suave1477]

Re: Theories on Steiner Soriano?

anyway, check these pics out. they're from old timers games at yankee stadium. notice the sleeve logos? i wonder where these jerseys ended up. mixed in with the gamers perhaps? yankee stadium sounds like a mess. saying "it came from yankee stadium" may not be enough.



rudy.

Rudy as far as the old timers game Jerseys I have seen one or 2 of them at Steiners and are they mixed in with regular Game Jerseys from the ones I saw YES - BUT Bob does take his time to sort these out when he sees them come through and pulls them out and catergorizes them as Promotional since you dont know exactly where and when exactly they were used.

[Eric]

Re: Theories on Steiner Soriano?

FYI- The jersey sold today for $806

[Yankwood]

Re: Theories on Steiner Soriano?

Maybe he knows more than we do. But to me, that 2 just ain't right.

[JETEFAN]

Re: Theories on Steiner Soriano?

If this jersey were to have come with a "lampson" letter or was being sold by anyone on this forum, this thread would be 1000 pages long with people wanting their head on a platter!! Just proves that Steiner's great marketing has everyone believing that if it's Steiner it must be real !!! There are more people trying to defend Steiner then there are questioning the jersey....interesting!

[R. C. Walker]

Re: Theories on Steiner Soriano?

If this jersey were to have come with a "lampson" letter or was being sold by anyone on this forum, this thread would be 1000 pages long with people wanting their head on a platter!! Just proves that Steiner's great marketing has everyone believing that if it's Steiner it must be real !!! There are more people trying to defend Steiner then there are questioning the jersey....interesting!

How right you are.

[hblakewolf]

Re: Theories on Steiner Soriano?

If this jersey were to have come with a "lampson" letter or was being sold by anyone on this forum, this thread would be 1000 pages long with people wanting their head on a platter!! Just proves that Steiner's great marketing has everyone believing that if it's Steiner it must be real !!! There are more people trying to defend Steiner then there are questioning the jersey....interesting!

Not entirely true. Steiner has made a handful of mistakes (since taking on the Yankees equipment) that have been documented. Lampson has made a handful of mistakes for each auction he authenticates. Mistakes in the collecting world/hobby happen by all, however, it's how they are resolved that is paramount.

Steiner also has a published phone number, address and support staff. Likewise, when items have been questioned, answers from Bob at Steiner have been provided.

Lampson has NEVER published any contact information, nor will auction houses he works for assist in providing additional insight to his LOA's after the item is questioned.

Great marketing by Steiner? How about simple common sense and being responsive and responsible to your target audience in every possible way?


Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[suave1477]

Re: Theories on Steiner Soriano?

Also I think everyone is missing a big point here.

You guys are saying that because of Steiners marketing a Soriano Jersey like this gets passed as opposed to if Lampson wrote the letter we would have jumped all over it, but because its Stiener we are defending it.

Think for a second and look at it like this.

With Steiner if the Jersey is or isn't being misrepresented you know it is still a real Jersey coming directly from the Yankees since they have an exclusive contract with the Yankees for there equipment.

Although the exact history of the Jersey of who wore it or when it was worn or was it ever worn is something different!!!

But with Lampson god only knows where the Jersey comes from when he writes a letter.
It could have been my Grandmothers Jersey that she sewn together and Lampson wrote a letter for it lol lol

I understand your side but comparing Steiner and Lampson is apples and oranges.

Mind you Lampson gets paid to authenticate!!!

Steiner is not an authenticator, they are just a reseller!!!


Huge difference!!!