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Post Your Photo-matched Game-used Items Here
Eric,
As promised, I am starting off this thread with my pinstripe photo-matched 1985 Steve Carlton game worn home jersey. I'll post Lefty's final major league game-worn fielder's glove later tonight. I look forward to seeing other forum members' photo-matched items. Enjoy Lefty's shirt.
Reid
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2 Of My Game Used Items Are Photomatched. It's not just any picture of them wearing it, but the actual picture of them wearing them. Here's my Rafael Furcal game worn game-winning cleats from May 2,2003. I was lucky enough to find a pic of him from that night on Getty Images.
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Here's The Other One. It's a pair of Jose Guillen's game worn HR 17 batting gloves from July 24,2005. Just the same as the Furcal cleats, I found a pic of him that day on Getty Images.
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I'm a big fan of one-hit wonders in the world of baseball...I have a bunch of other Charby mem as well.
http://www.freewebs.com/ducksfan89/charboneau.html
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Here's one of mine. I'm sure several of you are familiar with this jersey as I have advertised it for sale a few time, but with no luck. It is Bill Burbach's 1969 New York Yankees Home Flannel worn on Mickey Mantle day as the winning pitcher. Shown here are two photos, one of the jersey and the other of Bill and Mickey in 1969. The pinstripes are a perfect match!
Attachment 1067Attachment 1068
The jersey is still for sale, asking $1200 or best offer. Email me for details.
tim@tjsportsmn.com
Tim Byington
www.tjsportsmn.com
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Jason Varitek 2006 photo matched Rawlings bat
I'm a huge Boston Red Sox fan and I just got this Varitek bat in, I was looking at some images I saved from early 2006 and was suprised when I found a photo match of Jason Varitek swinging a Rawlings bat used to hit a RBI double vs the Orioles on 4-8-06
The large ballmark on the barrel and the pine tar application to the handle and wood grain match perfectly.
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I know both of these are Minor League but cool none the less. Possibly the only stitched name Papelbon glove he ever used. I've never seen another but I could be wrong.
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Here is my 2nd favorite photo matched item.....again minor league but cool.
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Dave Moore, Buccaneers game-used jerseys, 2000 season. The away is photo-matched to the Sept. 3rd game. The home jersey is not yet matched
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i5...orejerseys.jpg
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i5...vemoorepic.jpg
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Every time I pop in my copy of Play Ball! with Mickey Mantle featuring Gary Carter and Tom Seaver, I can photo match Gary Carter's full uniform in the video to the one sitting in my Carter collection.
Do video match count in this thread:rolleyes:
Regards,
-David
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Interesting finds here.
I think it would be more helpful to me, and possibly others if you could point out details on the item and the photo which show that it's an exact match.
Remember- we're using the true definition of photo match, not style match, so show off the details- bat marks, dirt marks, helmet marks etc.
Eric
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Could someone please explain to me how some of these items are photo-matched?
Batting gloves and cleats? I do not believe these are photo-matched but style matched, anyone else agree with me?
Unless there is a distinctive characteristic that stands out, you can not photo match an item. Pinstripes on a jersey, stains, rips, tears, hit marks, etc...
I feel many people just want there item to be the one in the photo, so they start seeing things. Again, a photo-match must have a characteristic such as listed above. Just because an item was signed by the player that he used it on a special day, the photo-matching is great, but unless there is something amazing such as the two jerseys with pin-stripe locational matches (that Yankees jersey is so cool) it is very hard to call an item photo-matched.
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I have a Tom Kozelko 1973-74 bullets home jersey I feel is a true photo match. Note the second 2 on the front of the jersey has a slight gap in between the end of the last red stripe and the beginning of the white body of the jersey. The second photo shows the same small gap.
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From the MEARS Forum posted by Dave Grob:
"Photo Matching"... What Is It That You Think You Are Doing?
June 10 2006 at 11:12 AM Dave Grob If you have read any number of pieces I have done that have involved imagery analysis, you will also know that I detest the phrase “photo match”. While I applaud the use of imagery to ascertain information about a jersey or a bat it is my opinion that this phrase is overused as it is misused.
I am seeing this both from collectors and hobby/industry professionals. Everyone wants to claim a photo match, but there is a lot more to this than just matching numbers and pinstripes. In many instances a person will have claimed to “photo matched” this jersey while only using a picture of either the front or the back. The pictures need to show the jersey from multiple angles and really should be from the same date or event.
The other thing I seem to find lacking in this work is the lack of mensuration. Where is the scale in the picture that permits the person to say the patch on the left shoulder of my jersey is 1 ½ inches up from the end of the sleeve and the one in the picture is the same 1 ½ inches? How do you confirm letter and numeral size in a photograph?
The other thing that must be understood and shown is what are the distinguishing features that make this the jersey at the exclusion of other possibilities. On one hand collectors and hobby professionals will “poo-poo” a jersey because of some minor variation, yet these same individuals will claim “photo match” because “no two jerseys are the same.” Which one is it folks? I have a piece scheduled to run next Tuesday on “variations” to highlight much of this.
I feel very comfortable with my position and knowledge base with respect to imagery analysis for a couple of good reasons. I have been trained to do and have done it professionally for well over a decade and I am not talking about doing it as a hobbyist.
While I am not passing judgment on a persons opinion as to whether they have in fact “photo matched” a jersey or a bat. I am saying that if you don’t have the photo sampling by angle and completeness, have nothing to confirm scale, and have not shown with great specificity why this jersey or bat is the same as the one in the photograph at the exclusion of other possibilities, then I would ask you to really consider with all objectivity, do you really have a photo match.
Just My Thoughts…
Dave Grob
http://www.network54.com/Forum/42624...+You+Are+Doing
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Originally Posted by trsent
Could someone please explain to me how some of these items are photo-matched?
Batting gloves and cleats? I do not believe these are photo-matched but style matched, anyone else agree with me?
Unless there is a distinctive characteristic that stands out, you can not photo match an item. Pinstripes on a jersey, stains, rips, tears, hit marks, etc...
I feel many people just want there item to be the one in the photo, so they start seeing things. Again, a photo-match must have a characteristic such as listed above. Just because an item was signed by the player that he used it on a special day, the photo-matching is great, but unless there is something amazing such as the two jerseys with pin-stripe locational matches (that Yankees jersey is so cool) it is very hard to call an item photo-matched.
I believe my Carter jersey is the one in the video and doubt there were multiple sets used for the filming. I can see the red stains on the unform pants in the photo on the back of the VHS jacket. In addition the way GARY and 8 line up on the jersey is exact.
I do agree that there must be a distinction between style match and exact jersey in the photo. To be able to photo match an GU item to the exact item you possess there must be tell-tail indications such as dirt stains, hit marks, pinstripe pattern, etc.
We must not get the two confused.
-David
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Originally Posted by trsent
Could someone please explain to me how some of these items are photo-matched?
Batting gloves and cleats? I do not believe these are photo-matched but style matched, anyone else agree with me?
If you were referring to my post then you got it all wrong. My items were the exact pictures of them wearing the cleats and gloves I have. I knew what exact date they wore them and I looked up that date on getty images and found pics of them wearing it.
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Originally Posted by kylehess10
If you were referring to my post then you got it all wrong. My items were the exact pictures of them wearing the cleats and gloves I have. I knew what exact date they wore them and I looked up that date on getty images and found pics of them wearing it.
Great, you have a style match because you cannot show any exact science proof that the items are the same. I do not care the dates of the use or the photos. Unless you see a stain, scratch, rip, or something amazing, that is a photo match. When you show a picture that has nothing to make the item appear identical but your word or the players word, then it is a style match.
Can you believe, I got a phone call over this from someone telling me to post a reply before I left town? Isn't there something better we can debate weather your gloves are photo matched or style matched?
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Folks,
This is an interesting discussion and there are some phenomenal posts of photo-matched items here. Thanks to everyone who is contributing or will contribute. I am further grateful for the LTC Dave Grob post that Joel reminded us of ... and I am glad to know that this is MEARS' official position on photo-matching. The only thing I would disagree with LTC Grob about, though, is that there are many times for which only one in-action photo is needed to photo-match an item (there are some perfect examples in this thread - the Varitek bat, for insance). I think the bottom line is that, no matter what the evidence, it must definitively demonstrate that the item is the exact same item that is shown in the in-action photo (I believe Eric, Joel, LTC Grob, and others will all agree to this - but feel free to chime in if your take on things differs). Just as with the terms game-worn and player-issued, folks are free to define terms and concepts as they wish - it is a free country, of course. Still, it is helpful for us to have a normative set of defnitions of terms and concepts and I think it's great that folks are contributing posts of not only photo-matched items, but also ideas and thoughts about the alternative terms photo-matched and style-matched. I look forward to seeing other posts.
Reid
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Originally Posted by trsent
Great, you have a style match because you cannot show any exact science proof that the items are the same. I do not care the dates of the use or the photos. Unless you see a stain, scratch, rip, or something amazing, that is a photo match. When you show a picture that has nothing to make the item appear identical but your word or the players word, then it is a style match.
I never knew that there was difference between style and photo match. Thanks for informing me
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I would have to agree on the fact that the term "Photo-match" has in some degree been over used. Many times it is just a style match which we all have many of. I'm sure everyone here knows this but, the dates on Getty aren't always correct for the game shown, the dates on MLB.com's authentication program aren't always correct either. With that in mind, I have what I consider to be 2 exact photo matches, Enjoy!
The first being a Shin Soo Choo bat, this was used last september and it was also MLB Authenticated(MT00411036) for those that want to verify. In this case the photos on Getty actually match up to the date listed by MLB. You can see on the back of the barrell 2 of the 3 distinct marks on the bat, the 3rd mark near the end may have been the one that actually broke the bat into 2 seperate pieces. There are also marks just below the name labeling on the front side of the bat, these match up with the photos as you can see.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...Choo92405a.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...s/ChooBat1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...Choo92405b.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...s/ChooBat2.jpg
My second "Photo-Match" is a Greg Dobbs bat that was used sometime last year, the photo shows it in use during a game vs. the Athletics. There aren't many photos of Dobbs so this was a tough match to find.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...s/DobbsPMc.jpg
Here's a closeup of the bat from the photo
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...s/DobbsPMb.jpg
The photo of the back of my Dobbs bat
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...s/DobbsBat.jpg
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how in the hell were you able to find that picture of dobbs?? That's amazing! It must've taken a lot of searching.
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how in the hell were you able to find that picture of dobbs?? That's amazing! It must've taken a lot of searching.
It was just by pure luck. I knew he was going to be at the Mariners FanFest that was held back in Jan. and I had a bunch of his cards signed already so I went to the team store and bought the last and only Dobbs photo they had. I didn't know about the match until later that night when I tried to compare it to the Dobbs bats I own and found the match.
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Here is a 3rd item....and again minor league but it's still cool to match an item to a baseball card. This is one of my Dustin Pedroia game used bats. I also have the jersey, pants and batting helmet in this card but here is the bat.
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Rudy helped me with this one from 2003. All the Getty pics are from Robbie's first game with the Sox.
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Steve Carlton pinstripes
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Originally Posted by both-teams-played-hard
Pinstripe photo-matching... NICE!
Reid's Carlton and Tim's Burbach are things of BEAUTY! The photo-matches probably DOUBLE the value of the jerseys (seriously).
Thanks, Warren. I have to admit that this crossed my mind when I picked the shirt up. I have actually never seen another pinstripe photo-matched Carlton jersey ... and I diligently check each one that comes up for auction against my massive Carlton photo collection. The other Carlton shirts I've had have all been blue roads, so you don't have the same photomatching opportunities as there are no pinstripes on the old Phillies powder blue shirts, of course.
Reid
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Originally Posted by BaseballGM
Rudy helped me with this one from 2003. All the Getty pics are from Robbie's first game with the Sox.
Beautiful Robbie shirt ... and more great work by Rudy.
Reid
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Thy guy with the Dwayne Wade jersey needs to post his, that is by far the best photo match I have ever seen.
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Beautiful Alomar piece and excellent photomatching work.
What program do you use for the photomatch layout? I would love to learn how to put together something like that.
Eric
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Originally Posted by Eric
Beautiful Alomar piece and excellent photomatching work.
What program do you use for the photomatch layout? I would love to learn how to put together something like that.
Eric
Eric- I'm not any help as I sent Rudy pics of my jersey and he compiled the master photo sheet (left) and matching aspects (right). I remember him saying he used Photoshop but again, he'll need to respond to that. -Kevin
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As requested, here is the Wade photo matched jersey from the Fleer auction:
Pictures of the jerseys left armpit (matched to the exact threads) on a bunch of pictures:
http://www.gameusedsticks.com/jerseys/wade_4.jpg
Here is a Photo from the January 30, 2005 game against the Houston Rockets:
http://www.gameusedsticks.com/wade/m...leftsleeve.jpg
For you Hockey fans, I'll post some photo matched items soon.
Barry Levine
www.gameusedsticks.com
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Marty Turco Game Used Mask .. notice the chip in the chin:
http://www.gameusedsticks.com/turco/turco001.jpg
Here is a match of him wearing the mask:
http://www.gameusedsticks.com/turco/...hotomatch2.jpg
Pretty easy to match this mask due to the amount of games a mask is worn in.
Regards,
Barry Levine
www.gameusedsticks.com
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Barry,
I went to your website and tried the ermail link, but it kicked back, do you have another email address I can contact you at?
Bill
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Not a definite photo-match. But still a cool photo-reference from my collection.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...rd/wake2-1.jpg
Fun-with-photoshop
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I'm still trying to photo match this to a photo, but how about DNA match? Is that acceptable?
Check the collar to the left and right of the name tag. Those are 21 year old blood stains.
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3...uashirt0mg.jpg
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These are fantastic photos! I have Matt Morris' 2004 game used home jersey when he gave up Ken Griffey, Jr's 500th HR. Also have a Jack Wilson game used photomatched bat that's hammered with use.
Hope to get some pics up soon.
Tim
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Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy
Those are actually stains from metal hangers.
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Those are actually stains from metal hangers.
I agree. The stains resemble rust and since they are on the inside collar, most likely a metal hanger. I have seen this MANY times on old jerseys and vintage men's shirts.
But anyway, how about a full photo of the Pasqua? Pintripe Photo-matching Possibilities!