ASI Thread

[ChrisCavalier]

Hello Everyone,

I wanted to take a moment to post a follow-up regarding the ASI thread that was created in this forum. We have removed the thread until further proof could be provided about the claims being made.

Once again, I will make it clear that GUU has absolutely no vested interest in taking anyone's side in this matter. However, given: a) the fact that the party being implicated is claiming the statements are not true, and b) the gravity and far-reaching implications of the statements, we felt the need to remove the posts until they can be substantiated with some form of proof. Once again, we were not privy to any of the protocols used at ASI nor do we know anything about what transpired between Mr. Oberle and ASI. As such, the removal of the posts has nothing to do with whether or not we believe the posts to be true but our choice to run the site in a manner we feel is responsible.

In addition, for those who asked if we are being motivated by any threats from ASI toward GUU, I can tell you that threats have no bearing whatsoever on the the actions we are taking. In fact, I would like to remind everyone of the 'Disclaimer and Responsibilities' in the 'Forum Policies' folder that states:

The views and opinions stated in the postings do not necessarily represent those of Game Used Universe, Inc. and GameUsedForum.com, Inc.

The views and opinions expressed in postings are the responsibility of the posters and not of Game Used Universe, Inc. and GameUsedForum.com, Inc.

Game Used Universe, Inc. and GameUsedForum.com, Inc. will not be held accountable for slanderous comments posted by others. Messages published on this website are the full and complete responsibility of the author.

All website users agree to these rules.

Again, our actions are based solely on our desire to act responsibly and not in response to any threats, etc. We trust that members of our community will appreciate the fact that we have created, and will execute, protocols designed to insure this site operates in a responsible manner and that posts will have to be substantiated when deemed necessary.

Please feel free to let me know if you have any questions.

Sincerely,
Chris

[mvandor]

Regrettably, the net result is that a very damning story which serves one of the main purposes of this forum - to warn collectors of unscrupulous items and sellers - gets swept under the rug, at least for now.

Nevertheless, if Mr. Oberle's claims are true, his stories best belong with the FBI and their investigators working this industry at present. They have the power to remove law breakers from the picture, GUU doesn't.

And if his claims are not true, then ASI would be foolish not to prosecute him for libel.

Can hardly wait to see the final episode.

[3arod13]

I do understand that solid proof and documenation is a must when accusing someone of something. However, sometimes the information is true, can't be proven, and still needs to get out to warn others. Especially when we are talking about a large company who we all know has done dishonest things in the past, that were proven.

By reading the entire thread, I do believe it's true (and we all know this stuff does happen). If I wasn't able to read what I did, I may continue to buy from them. With the information provided, proof or not, and their past history, I am able to make a decision for myself whether to deal with them or not. With what I read, I wouldn't.

I think sometimes things can be brought out (not proven, and with an already bad history) and does serve some value.

Just my thoughts.

[Eric]

Regrettably, the net result is that a very damning story which serves one of the main purposes of this forum - to warn collectors of unscrupulous items and sellers - gets swept under the rug, at least for now.

I disagree. It's more like an "incomplete"

We deal in facts here. You can't make statements like that without offering factual evidence.

If there is proof then people can this is a very big story. If it's not true then it's not fair to those mentioned.

If Mr. Oberle offers the proof then the thread will be reinstated.

[3arod13]

I disagree. It's more like an "incomplete"

We deal in facts here. You can't make statements like that without offering factual evidence.

If there is proof then people can this is a very big story. If it's not true then it's not fair to those mentioned.

If Mr. Oberle offers the proof then the thread will be reinstated.

Eric,

I believe many of us understand your position and the responsibility you have with this forum. Many of us just get frustated when we do know things that are going on and want to share that info. Or know we had a bad dealing with someone and want to share it, but can't without proof.

There are many forums and websites out there where people can share information like this and express themselves freely, without being shut down or censored. Yes, if that's the case, why don't people just go to those sites. Well, for myself, this is the best one and I enjoy being here, like many do.

However, as a Legal Officer in the Navy, I do understand your position.

Regards, Tony

[Eric]

Tony-

Here's the way I always think of it. You wouldn't want unsubstantiated statements made about you. So, if Mr Oberle has the proof then he should provide it and the situation will be properly exposed.

Eric

[3arod13]

Tony-

Here's the way I always think of it. You wouldn't want unsubstantiated statements made about you. So, if Mr Oberle has the proof then he should provide it and the situation will be properly exposed.

Eric

Eric,

I do understand that. However, if it was done against me, is true but can't be proven, still doesn't mean it wasn't done.

There has been proven misconduct on their part in the past, so I do beleive past history does make a difference in this case.

I do understand your position and respect it. I also commend you for making people provide facts. Just frustrating when you can't, but know it's true.

[Eric]

Right, but Mr. Oberle still has the opportunity to prove what he's saying is true. No one is censoring him from doing that.

[3arod13]

Right, but Mr. Oberle still has the opportunity to prove what he's saying is true. No one is censoring him from doing that.

Agree. Hopefully, he can do that. Would make things very interesting.

Keep up the good work with this forum!

Regards, Tony

[ChrisCavalier]

Here's the way I always think of it. You wouldn't want unsubstantiated statements made about you. So, if Mr Oberle has the proof then he should provide it and the situation will be properly exposed.

Eric

Personally, I think it makes sense to listen to the advice in the quote above given it is coming from someone who has already done a great deal to help the collecting community in this area.

I also think the statement "You wouldn't want unsubstantiated statements made about you" is also particularly relevant as to why we feel the need to be extremely conscientious when it comes to making posts about others on the forum. Again, we trust the participants on this forum recognize the value of having these protocols in place and can feel comfortable about being part of a community where actions are taken to make sure posts can be substantiated when needed.

Sincerely,
Chris