Ami Larry Wilson Jersey

[hblakewolf]

Current offering in the American Memorabila auction:

1970-71 Larry Wilson St. Louis Card's football jersey, Lot #15

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/A...ction_ID=40596

Based on other Card's jerseys from 1970/71 I've seen, I question the following:

COLOR-Should be a deeper "Cardinal", not red.

NAME ON BACK: Should be on a plate, not screened directly on back

#'s: Should be single color white, not 2-tone.

FABRIC: Should be solid material, not mesh (see size tag for mesh close-up).

I'd appreciate the thoughts/insight from those advanced football collectors on this site.

Thanks.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[hblakewolf]

a 1971 photo of Wilson from Getty Images-note the single color white #:



Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[hblakewolf]

1972 Topps football card-note, single white 8.



howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[otismalibu]

Spartacus !!!

[lund6771]

a very knowledgable Cardinal collector told me that the Cards wore Wilson in this era...never Champion

[Eric]

Has someone attempted to contact American Memorabilia about these issues?

[RKGIBSON]

Here are a couple typical St. Louis Cardinal tags, one from 68 and one from 70.

I did speak to Victor today. He said this jersey came out of St. Louis from a long time game used dealer.

Roger

[hblakewolf]

Here are a couple typical St. Louis Cardinal tags, one from 68 and one from 70.

I did speak to Victor today. He said this jersey came out of St. Louis from a long time game used dealer.

Roger

Roger-
Regardless of Vic speaking with you, and letting you know the shirt was obtained form a "long time game used dealer", it does not change the facts as noted in my initial post. The shirt does not come close to any known examples from 1970/71.

When you speak with Vic again, can you ask him what was referenced in order to determine this is a genuine, game worn 1970/71 Wilson jersey?

Unless Vic or his 100% Authentic Team can produce the research/photos/evidence they used to support their findings that this is a game worn Larry Wilson jersey from 1970/71, I would suggest removiing this jersey from their current auction offerings.

Howard Wolf
hblakewolf@patmedia.net

[RKGIBSON]

Howard,

I did not say this changed any facts. I posted pictures of real tags from Cardinal jerseys. That is a fact.

As per forum rules, I did contact AMI. That is why I stated that I talked to him. He told me where it came from. That adds facts to this post.

I have owned many Cardinal jerseys. This jersey is not consistant with those, fact.

Roger

[John in KY]

I don't know about the manufacturer, but for just the 1970 season the Cardinals evidently did try black trim on the numbers. They evidently didn't like the look and went back to plain white (at least until their recent redesign).

The guy who postes by PANTONE on the Creamer logos board is in Phoenix; he is a Cardinal fanatic, and he is hooked in with all of the leagues for their official style guides including the PANTONE printing and textile colors. He is also hooked in with the Cardinals, since they are his hometown team. Here is a link to his post about the 1970 Cardinal jerseys:

http://boards.sportslogos.net/index.php?showtopic=55954

Here is a jersey on a card from 1970:



This PANTONE usually is sitting on all the uniform and logo changes, and he has all the style guides for the NFL starting in the mid-80s.