Show us your ebay steals!!!

[both-teams-played-hard]

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CORRECTION:
They appear to be early to mid 1960s Spanjian tags.

[genius]

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Picked up this circa 1966 Atlanta Falcons sideline heavy warmup jacket recently for under $40. Haven't tried to style or photo match it but it's a neat-looking piece in great condition, zip working perfectly.

[sylbry]

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So now I have to be a member for more then a month to make a comment. Actually I have been coming to this boards for atleast 2 years now and every time I come here most of the guys in here just try to find a way to rip someone. The guy wasnt pushing the bat on someone. The question could have been ask alot better. Why hasnt he respond to my question? Because he was wrong. Why doesnt he stick to what he knows best Phillie jerseys.

No I was making the point that you have been a member for one month (join date March 2008) but yet feel confident that no one wants to post on here because of certain member comments. Make sense?

I really don't think Arod313 needs you or Fnazvc0114 to defend him.

And Fnazvc0114, I have been a member since the Network 54 days, prior to November 2005. "Blue star from the game used police"?

And since when is questioning an item being negative? If you want to be a part of the game used hobby expect to take a couple of lumps. Especially when your opinion deviates from the norm. No one is intentionally ripping anyone. I don't understand why people make the mistake of taking comments personally. It isn't about you. No one even knows you. It is about your item or your post. Period.

[platinum1]

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No I was making the point that you have been a member for one month (join date March 2008) but yet feel confident that no one wants to post on here because of certain member comments. Make sense?

I really don't think Arod313 needs you or Fnazvc0114 to defend him.

And Fnazvc0114, I have been a member since the Network 54 days, prior to November 2005. "Blue star from the game used police"?

And since when is questioning an item being negative? If you want to be a part of the game used hobby expect to take a couple of lumps. Especially when your opinion deviates from the norm. No one is intentionally ripping anyone. I don't understand why people make the mistake of taking comments personally. It isn't about you. No one even knows you. It is about your item or your post. Period.

This is not just about Arod313 and his item. This just happens all the time when someone bashes a person with a dumb remark and then If the person comes up with the proof no one in here that bashes the item ever apologizes for it. Actually I still remember when I think Arod313 was the one with the Derek Jeter Colombus Clipper game used bat and a couple of people started to question the bat. When he came up with the proof straight from the horses mouth not one person apologized.

[sylbry]

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This is not just about Arod313 and his item. This just happens all the time when someone bashes a person with a dumb remark and then If the person comes up with the proof no one in here that bashes the item ever apologizes for it. Actually I still remember when I think Arod313 was the one with the Derek Jeter Colombus Clipper game used bat and a couple of people started to question the bat. When he came up with the proof straight from the horses mouth not one person apologized.

Why does someone need to apologize for questioning an item. We are not here to gloat about someone else being wrong or possibly looking fooling. If by someone questioning an item Arod313 to dug a little further and found proof, then Arod313 came out ahead because of the question. Again it is about the item, not the individual.

Plus it isn't your problem if Arod313 feels he is owed an apology.

I am not condoning inconsiderate behavior but seriously it is ok to question an item. It isn't the same as calling someone a liar.

[both-teams-played-hard]

Re: Show us your ebay steals!!!

Picked up this circa 1966 Atlanta Falcons sideline heavy warmup jacket recently for under $40. Haven't tried to style or photo match it but it's a neat-looking piece in great condition, zip working perfectly.

Are those Sand Knit tags? Are they the same tags as the Falcons durene you got off this forum? Nice jacket at a great price!

[Ozric]

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Sylbry... The post by Howard was clearly derogatory and he did have an agenda based on it's tone. If anyone needs to explain to you why his post was of this nature, then clearly you just do not get it. Questioning an item is fine, but I was taken back as well by the tone of it. It was not nice and could have been phrased in a much better manner. I was hoping that this would drop, but your continual defence of him is just getting tired.

[platinum1]

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Sylbry... The post by Howard was clearly derogatory and he did have an agenda based on it's tone. If anyone needs to explain to you why his post was of this nature, then clearly you just do not get it. Questioning an item is fine, but I was taken back as well by the tone of it. It was not nice and could have been phrased in a much better manner. I was hoping that this would drop, but your continual defence of him is just getting tired.

Thank You this is the last time I will post about this topic.

[sylbry]

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Sylbry... The post by Howard was clearly derogatory and he did have an agenda based on it's tone. If anyone needs to explain to you why his post was of this nature, then clearly you just do not get it. Questioning an item is fine, but I was taken back as well by the tone of it. It was not nice and could have been phrased in a much better manner. I was hoping that this would drop, but your continual defence of him is just getting tired.

I did not read anything derogatory about Howard's first post. Guess I have better things to do than try to read intent of a post.

How on earth is my "continual defence" of Howard getting tired? I have not defended him. Howard can speak for himself. I CLEARLY stated I had the same question as Howard.

[cohibasmoker]

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CORRECTION:
They appear to be early to mid 1960s Spanjian tags.

Thanx for the replies. I have attached a close-up scan of the Spanjian tag and the "518" that is stamped on both the Spanjian tag as well as the crotchpiece.

So far, I've found that the Colts jerseys in 1957 used a similar numerical font style.

I've also found that several professional teams in the 1950's and 60's wore a similiar style of sleeve stripping on their jerseys that reflected their team colors.

It should be fun trying to figure it out. Love those vintage jerseys.

Jim

[karamaxjoe]

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Tony,

I look at the Jeter bat this way; had you been at the actual game and Jeter used it, signed it and handed it to you, you'd still have a very hard time convincing the collecting world about its validity. The first thing I would have said to myself would be how in the hell am I going to prove this? Lets face it, you're talking about Jeter. Had the bat been signed by any other Yankee farm hand, nobody would have questioned it. It's just that when people claim they have a unique item from Arod, Jeter, Bonds or any other major superstar, the item will always be questioned before the collecting world buys into it. That fact will never change.

Honestly I hope you find the proof you're looking for. I would guess it's very possible Jeter used the bat, but again how do you prove it without a shadow of a doubt. If it is real, it really shouldn't be something you'd find kicking around on ebay.

Also Howard was not out of line in his comment. I firmly believe any rare item such as the Jeter bat will be heavily questioned before anyone believes it. That's the nature of the hobby we all participate in.

Again, good luck to you and I hope you find what you're looking for.

Mike

[3arod13]

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Tony,

I look at the Jeter bat this way; had you been at the actual game and Jeter used it, signed it and handed it to you, you'd still have a very hard time convincing the collecting world about its validity. The first thing I would have said to myself would be how in the hell am I going to prove this? Lets face it, you're talking about Jeter. Had the bat been signed by any other Yankee farm hand, nobody would have questioned it. It's just that when people claim they have a unique item from Arod, Jeter, Bonds or any other major superstar, the item will always be questioned before the collecting world buys into it. That fact will never change.

Honestly I hope you find the proof you're looking for. I would guess it's very possible Jeter used the bat, but again how do you prove it without a shadow of a doubt. If it is real, it really shouldn't be something you'd find kicking around on ebay.

Also Howard was not out of line in his comment. I firmly believe any rare item such as the Jeter bat will be heavily questioned before anyone believes it. That's the nature of the hobby we all participate in.

Again, good luck to you and I hope you find what you're looking for.

Mike

Mike, well said, and I do understand this completely.

[3arod13]

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Guys,

Thanks for all of your comments in reference to the Jeter bat. All are valid points and questions.

Let me just share the reason(s) why I am comfortable and satisifed with this Jeter bat:

* It's a GenericYANKEE Team Bat. A bat ordered and issued only to the Yankees organization. Better opportunity for Jeter to have used this bat, vice a generic PRO stock bat, which would be questioned even more. From what I have researched so far, Jeter didn't have minor league bats with his name on them. With that said, he would be using the Generic Yankee Team Bats, just like all other minor league players.

* Signed by Jeter around 1994 (signature is easy to identify, as Jeter only signed that signature around that timeframe. End of signature is the key).
This being around the time when he would have used it. If this was an early minor league bat, but had a later Jeter signature, then I would be more hesitant, because then there's that question of how could Jeter remember if he actually used that bat so many years later. By signing it around 1994, I feel much more comfortable.

* Bat came from Zane Burns. I'm fully aware of his knowledge and reputation in the hobby. However, it definately would be nice to know more specifics about how he obtained the bat. That might help answer some questions.

* To me, there is a better chance that Derek Jeter did use this bat, as he had more of an opportunity being in the Yankee organization back then.

Howard stated: "Once solid evidence can be produced (photo, baseball card, team program, video, etc.) of Jeter using a generic YANKEES Cooper bat in 1994, I'll be the first to agree with Tony that indeed, he secured a real ebay steal!"

Yes, this would be great if I am able to do this, and I will pursue this aggressively. However, chances are slim, as minor league coverage is very limited, compared to major league coverage.

Look at the amount of game used stuff out there of Mantle, DiMaggio, Ruth, Williams, Clemente, etc., that doesn't come with a photo, baseball card, team program, video, etc.. Comes only with an LOA from PSA, MEARS, etc. It is at this point, as collectors, we make the choice to either trust the authenticator and items. And we all know, there have been many mistakes.

I have provided all facts that I know to date about this bat. I will continue to be aggressive and pursue the authenticity of this bat, just as I did the Hoosier bat of past. At this point, it's in my collection and I'm satisifed with the bat.

As I find more information about this bat, I will keep you all posted.

Although there are times we may disagree with each other, you have to admit, this is a fun and exciting hobby. If we didn't have difference of opinions at times, it wouldn't give us other things to think about. Although we sometimes don't like what we here, it's good for us and the hobby.

Again, many thanks for your comments, concerns, and advice. I do appreciate it!

Now let's get this thread back to its original subject, "Show us your ebay steals!!!

Regards, Tony

[karamaxjoe]

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Hey guys, if we're here to help each other we should be able to at least find a photo of Jeter at Columbus with a Cooper bat. It might not be the exact bat, but it would sure be a good start.

Mike

[kingjammy24]

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"how do you prove it without a shadow of a doubt"

short of photomatches, how do you prove any item in this hobby beyond a shadow of a doubt? how do you prove your george bell or bobby thigpen jerseys beyond a shadow of a doubt? this hobby inherantly requires leaps of faith. i think what we're really talking about here is how big a leap is acceptable, not proving an item beyond a shadow of a doubt.

leaps of faith are reduced when positive characteristics are found. i don't believe taube can "prove without a shadow of a doubt" that all of the bats in his stock are gamers. i think he thinks they have a great chance of being gamers because they meet several criteria; length, weight, proper model, finish, player characteristics, legit use. when an item exhibits every single proper characteristic, then the leap of faith is relatively small (but it exists nonetheless). when an item exhibits very few characteristics, then the leap of faith is relatively large.

i think howard's comments were alluding to this leap of faith. noone's expecting tony to "prove" jeter used the bat. you can't prove most items were game-used. i think people, including myself and howard, are simply wondering how the bat can even be attributed to jeter specifically. given the bat, i think it's a valid question.

"Look at the amount of game used stuff out there of Mantle, DiMaggio, Ruth, Williams, Clemente, etc., that doesn't come with a photo, baseball card, team program, video, etc.. Comes only with an LOA from PSA, MEARS, etc. It is at this point, as collectors, we make the choice to either trust the authenticator and items."

but the thing is, those mears authentications and those items come with a ton of unique player characteristics. the question is what characteristics does this bat have that would strongly link it to jeter specifically?

"With that said, he would be using the Generic Yankee Team Bats, just like all other minor league players."

that's a lot of players who could've potentially used this bat. is there any uniform number on the knob?

you've dated the bat to 1994 via the autograph. that's fine and a decent start but how many players were there in the yankees farm system in 1994?

"there is a better chance that Derek Jeter did use this bat, as he had more of an opportunity being in the Yankee organization back then"

so were a million other players. why derek jeter specifically? just because he was in the minors in '94? why wasn't this bat used by his fellow teammates like scott romano or ray suplee or the dozens of other minor league teammates he had in '94?

at a minimum, does the bat conform to the length and weight that jeter was known to take around that time? LVS records would shed light on his first MLB order.

anyone at any yankee minor league facility could've grabbed a non-descript bat and had jeter sign it in '94. placing it in jeter's hands for actual game use would at a minimum involve establishing that the length and weight are correct and that the bat exhibits jeter's specific use characteristics. from what i can tell, the only characteristics that have been established are that it likely came from a yankees farm in 1994.

anyway, i think howard and mike's sentiments were valid and accurate, even though unpopular. everyone wants to strike the jackpot and when anyone else suggests they may not have done that, then they tend to get boo'd for raining on their parade.

that said tony, i do want to commend what i've seen as your approach to things in general. you're a research machine. a phone-calling, letter-writing, photo-finding machine who seems genuinely intent to substantiating his items as much as humanly possible and you certainly do it more than many i've seen. you look up boxscores, contact manufacturers, check old newspapers. you're a powerhouse. lampson can't even be bothered to check a roster. i do hope you find out the truth behind this bat of yours. until then though, what you've got on it so far doesn't place it in jeter's hands any more than any of the other players in the yankee farm system in 1994.

good luck,

rudy.