Sid Luckman jersey auction

[lund6771]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

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I was simply stating the facts - that Lou Lampson has made it clear that there was a number change on the jersey.

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Lampson is a loser and how can what you HEAR be a fact?

Again..have you seen the jersey?...Examined it under a light table?


I have also heard there was a big foot discovery

[trsent]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

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I was simply stating the facts - that Lou Lampson has made it clear that there was a number change on the jersey.

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Lampson is a loser and how can what you HEAR be a fact?

Again..have you seen the jersey?...Examined it under a light table?


I have also heard there was a big foot discovery

Sir, please make this a mature discussion or do not comment.

I have asked about a number change in this thread which appears to exist and was not mentioned in the eBay listing. You say Lou Lampson is a loser, I say he knows more about vintage football jerseys than most anyone else in the world, so if he said it, I assume it true.

When you wish to have a reasonable discussion, please post again, otherwise, please do not call names and make arguments that are not mature and adult.

No, I never got to see the jersey listed on eBay because I was deprived of being able to buy it due to what appears to be a sale of an eBay item off eBay which is against eBay rules.

[trsent]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

I am confused what everyone is getting so crazy about over this discussion. I receive emails from a few people and posts on here that are really insane.

I joined this discussion stating that I heard there was a number change on this jersey, one listed and ended without a buyer on eBay, and now I am told that I am trying to sabotage an auction that doesn't even exist. Someone even posted on here that I am costing them money, though I have no clue what that statement meant.

I didn't accuse American Memorabilia of not disclosing any alterations to this jersey, I have no clue who has the jersey but the guy who listed it on eBay. I am not on speaking terms with American Memorabilia these days, after personal issues with how they handled my past consignments I decided it best not to deal with them anymore. Not a big deal, they appear to have a fine auction house. I just found others that I like better.

Finally, the first post I made I stated that this jersey appears to be a legitimate Sid Luckman jersey - I never once stated that the jersey is not legitimate.

I wish people would stop assuming anything expect for the questions I posted.

[RKGIBSON]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

TRSENT,

I was being facetious. I meant, who ever emailed you and said you were discrediting the jersey, they must have a interest in it and thought it was costing them money by raising the issue. I have no interest in the jersey or interest in buying it. IT WAS A JOKE!

Roger

[34swtns]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

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"I do not care who owns the jersey, the original auction on eBay was ended early. I believe eBay has a policy against ending a listing early and selling an item elsewhere, but who cares about that issue?"

"No, I never got to see the jersey listed on eBay because I was deprived of being able to buy it due to what appears to be a sale of an eBay item off eBay which is against eBay rules."


Joel, please don't even pretend to go to bat for ebay and it's rules and policies. Believe me, you will be a one-man cheerleading squad in that regard and you'll be doing serious damage to my image of you as one of the more stand-up guys on the forum.
Regarding the ending of the auction, we ALL encouraged that seller to take his item elsewhere in order to liquidate it as ebay was simply not an appropriate outlet for an item of such historical significance. Not to mention the seller would benefit greatly from the increased exposure to the high rollers in this hobby via a higher profile auction scenario.
That is the reason the ebay auction was and should have been ended early.

[trsent]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

TRSENT,

I was being facetious. I meant, who ever emailed you and said you were discrediting the jersey, they must have a interest in it and thought it was costing them money by raising the issue. I have no interest in the jersey or interest in buying it. IT WAS A JOKE!

Roger

Oh, a joke. I do not know how to take a joke. (That is a joke)

Thanks Roger, now I understand. I thought you owned the jersey or something odd like that.

[sammy]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

"He said if he had such a jersey to consign to an auction house, American Memorabilia would be his first choice since they get the most money for game used vintage football jerseys."

Being as AMI doesn't pay their consignors within ANY reasonable timeframe, I hope the owner of this jersey can afford to wait up to 6+ months for payment, or received some written guarantee of prompt payment from AMI, within 30 days from auction end, before turning the jersey over to them.

[trsent]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

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"I do not care who owns the jersey, the original auction on eBay was ended early. I believe eBay has a policy against ending a listing early and selling an item elsewhere, but who cares about that issue?"

"No, I never got to see the jersey listed on eBay because I was deprived of being able to buy it due to what appears to be a sale of an eBay item off eBay which is against eBay rules."


Joel, please don't even pretend to go to bat for ebay and it's rules and policies. Believe me, you will be a one-man cheerleading squad in that regard and you'll be doing serious damage to my image of you as one of the more stand-up guys on the forum.
Regarding the ending of the auction, we ALL encouraged that seller to take his item elsewhere in order to liquidate it as ebay was simply not an appropriate outlet for an item of such historical significance. Not to mention the seller would benefit greatly from the increased exposure to the high rollers in this hobby via a higher profile auction scenario.
That is the reason the ebay auction was and should have been ended early.

My only issue is people telling me to wait for the new owner to list the jersey for sale - What new owner? The jersey was not sold on eBay as it was ended early and I never got a chance to bid in a fair listing. I am told to wait for AMI or whoever has possession of the jersey - My comments are all based on an eBay listing - I did not say AMI or the next consignor of this item was hiding anything - I was just stating facts I heard.

[trsent]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

"He said if he had such a jersey to consign to an auction house, American Memorabilia would be his first choice since they get the most money for game used vintage football jerseys."

Being as AMI doesn't pay their consignors within ANY reasonable timeframe, I hope the owner of this jersey can afford to wait up to 6+ months for payment, or received some written guarantee of prompt payment from AMI, within 30 days from auction end, before turning the jersey over to them.

I wanted to say something like what you stated, but I didn't have the guts but this link will help your cause:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/567138/thread/1207348547/last-1212335915/American+Memorabilia

[saftey45]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

Has anyone on this site ever seen the jersey?? It was that the national in chicago and I did take a look at it. I thought it looked liked way to clean to be game worn. I did not notice anything on it, except for the paint. Sleeves/elbows, shoulders were as clean as the day the shirt was produced. I was going to take pictures but It in a glass case and there was way to much reflections from the lights. Anyone else get a look at it let us know... hope that helps it anyone is interested. Mike

[platinum1]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

its finally up

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=45086

[both-teams-played-hard]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

Why didn't AMI mention that Luckman caused the paint stains himself? It seems the story would add to the provenance.

[trsent]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

Why didn't AMI mention that Luckman caused the paint stains himself? It seems the story would add to the provenance.

There you go again with the PhotoShop work!

From the American Memorabilia listing:

In the course of professional analysis, it was discovered that the jersey had undergone a team-instituted number change. Traces of an original “12” outline in this exact font style can be faintly detected. Part of the reason that such can be determined is that the situating of the numerals ("1" and "2") was oriented differently than "42." It is conclusive that the present "42" was period-instituted, franchise-sanctioned and administered. This is satisfactorily explained in that an aspiring player in 1946, Walt Lamb, didn't make the club in ’47, and his jersey was thereby converted from #12 to #42. According to authenticator Lou Lampson, this was a common practice in the austere “Papa Bear” 1940s and '50s era, and Lamb’s physical bearing (6’ 1”; 195 lbs.) nearly mirrors that of Luckman (6’ 0”; 197 lbs.).

Not a big deal, but I just asked if anyone else knew about the number change before it was published. At the time, I didn't even know it was going to be auctioned off by AMI (even though I was told I should have seen it at The National - I do not stop by the AMI booth anymore for personal reasons. Oh yeah, and I was at The National for four hours or so and never came back) but I am glad AMI described this number change in their listing.

Now, we can see what this brings with a disclosed number change!

[lund6771]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

Has anyone on this site ever seen the jersey?? It was that the national in chicago and I did take a look at it. I thought it looked liked way to clean to be game worn. I did not notice anything on it, except for the paint. Sleeves/elbows, shoulders were as clean as the day the shirt was produced. I was going to take pictures but It in a glass case and there was way to much reflections from the lights. Anyone else get a look at it let us know... hope that helps it anyone is interested. Mike

When I looked at the shirt at the National, it appeared the same to me as well....there didn't seem to be much for wear...and regardless of what position he played, jerseys from this era should show a considerable amount of use...

the description states that there is one repair UNDER the sewn on number...did that happen from the guy who previously wore this?...or did the tear happen in the process of the number change?

The description is very accurate about being preserved so well...the orange colors on the numbers are extremely vibrant and again I was amazed that something so old stayed in such great condition

Regardless of whether it was field worn or not, this thing belongs in a museum....it's that nice....I'd be suprised if anyone who really wanted this thing would buy it sight unseen in the auction...so I guess they can make their own judgement as far as what it's worth....it will be interesting to see what it goes for

[lund6771]

Re: Sid Luckman jersey auction

I appreciate your feedback, but I can't imagine why I would want to avoid a reputable auction house that is willing (by contract) to pay a large advance, earn a modest commission and be willing to pay the proceeds within 5 business days. The jersey will be exposed to the maximum number of bidders and quite honestly, would be quite entertaining.

Then again, I might just put it on display in my den, behind the bar.

Nah.

was this what was promised to you Java?