Barry Bonds Issues

[trsent]

I am not posting anymore about the Grey Flannel debate as I made my last post earlier in the day, but 33Bird has called me out on Barry Bonds.

I never once said Barry didn't juice. I did say that he must be found guilty without a doubt, and even then he wasn't breaking the rules of Major League Baseball at the time.

If you asked if I though Barry Bonds ever juiced, I would say "yes" but that doesn't mean he was breaking the rules of the sport at the time.

Put me down however you wish, but don't twist my words, please.

[Yankwood]

If Barry Bonds wasn't breaking a baseball rule, does this free him from wrong? I mean, wasn't he breaking a law? Isn't taking steroids not prescribed by a doctor against the law? Maybe I misunderstand.

[33bird]

Cool. No problem there then. Who cares about it being illegal in baseball-It's been ILLEGAL IN THE US since 1991. He's a cheater and liar. Just look at his numbers pre and post steroid use and there is no question that they enhanced his game immensely. It would taint the HOF if they put him in-just as if they put in Pete Rose. But gambling didn't make Rose a better player than everybody else around him, so I'll give the nod to Rose before Bonds. It's not fair to those who didn't cheat and have records. It's not fair to Aaron and Ruth and Maris, etc. Those guys didn't get better when they turned 35 years old-they got steadily worse. Put on em' steroids at age 35 and they would've have kicked ass like Bonds for another 5+years. If it wasn't illegal in baseball (which is wasn't) then why hide it and lie about it? Why not just say I'm using Roids and too bad for you? Because just as in the olympics and football and other sports where it was illegal-if everybody knew you were using you'd would be called a fraud and a cheat and a loser.The only reason it wasn't illegal in baseball is that they didn't think it would ever be a problem in their sport-and really wasn't until the mid to late 80s when Mr. Jose Canseco showed up. Bonds is a cheater and jerk in most everybody's opinion and though a great player and hof thru 1998-he ruined that by juicing from 1999 on. See ya.
G

[33bird]

Well, in Trsent's opinion the laws of baseball supersede the laws of our own land. Whatever--I'm not trying to be rude, but I just can't fathom your reasoning at all on many of your posts.
G

[sfgiants452]

Hi,

I am a huge Bonds fan and I have been so since I was 8. So I have to agree with trsent. Yes he did break the rules (If he did do it!!!) of the land, so punish him for that. Not in the game of baseball. They weren't illegal in the game during that time. Finally, the only way I will believe he took them is if he fails a grug test. Go Barry and go Giants!!!!

[Yankwood]

I'm sure there's nothing in the rules about murder either so is that alright too?

[33bird]

The only people (and they are getting fewer all the time) that defend Bonds are the Die-Hard Bond's fans that are still around. The thing is, he probably could commit murder or rape someone, and guess what? Nothing against it in the rules of baseball land, so he's still a HOF, but go ahead and put him in jail. Geez people.
G

[trsent]

I'm sure there's nothing in the rules about murder either so is that alright too?

How come someone always compares murder to taking steroids?

Tell me about apples and mangoes some other day, but don't make an comment stating that you want to compare drug use to taking another human life.

It's not even debatable, so stop the associations.

[sfgiants452]

I am not asking this question so we can argue for the next hour. I just want a honest answer. For all of the people that have read these posts, think of your all-time favorite player. The player that you loved since you were a kid. Now lets say they were accused of something. Would you or would you not defend them to the very end? Even if there may be evidence saying that they did a crime. Would you or would you not defend him until that judge says that he was guilty? Please give an honest answer. THANKS

Anthony

[33bird]

It would be tuff. I understand that. You'll probably dislike me even more after I tell you this: My favorite current player is Jeff Kent. Sorry. If you love Bonds you probably don't care for kent. But, in all honesty. if all the evidence came out against kent that has come against Bonds, I would say see you later, sell my gamer stuff of kent, and count my losses. I wouldn't stick my head in the sand and say, "I don't care if there's mountains of evidence, he's innocent until convicted or until he confesses." He might never get convicted-ala, OJ Simpson. He might not confess for 20 years, or never-ala, Peter Rose. It doesn't matter. He's 100% guilty either way. Just like OJ and Pete. I would say, "Say it ain't so Barry." Then I'd move on and fine me a clean, noncheating superstar to follow. I'm not saying he's not a HOF. I'm not saying he wasn't one of the greatest ever. He is. BUT, everything he's done since 1999 is tainted. Especially all the HR's. I've really read up on everything. All the articles, books, etc. I wanted him to be clean-he's not. There's just no way. In my opinion, I think he should retire and not taint the all-time HR records of Ruth and Aaron. He's already tainted Maris's 61 record (I think Maris still has it since Sosa and Big Mac juiced in 98 and after). Put him in the hof eventually, not first ballot, and on his HOF plaque mention that he used steroids from 99-05 (or whatever) so some of his marks are questionable/tainted at best. Same with Big Mac. Same with Pete Rose. Just put on his plaque he was removed from pro baseball for gambling, but put him in. I put in rose before: Bonds, Sosa, and Big Mac. Just my 2 cents. Just something to think about. I don't think we can just say, "Oh well, it happened, let's move on." SOMETHING needs to happen to them. I'm not exactly sure what, but I like my idea for the HOF thing.
Birdie