washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

[mchmaj]

i am looking to sell washington nationals guzman #15 2005 jersey
its size 50 and tagged 2005 below the majestic tag
i am asking $499 for it or best offer
email me for more info and pictures to marchrisyr@aol.com
thanks
marcus

[allstarsplus]

Re: washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

i am looking to sell washington nationals guzman #15 2005 jersey
its size 50 and tagged 2005 below the majestic tag
i am asking $499 for it or best offer
email me for more info and pictures to marchrisyr@aol.com
thanks
marcus

Very interested in this. Are you sure it is a Size 50? I didn't recall Guz wearing a size 50 in 2005. Where did you get the jersey from?

Thanks!

[mchmaj]

Re: washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

email me marchrisyr@aol.com for pictures
how u know he doesnt wear size 50 ?
all of his nationals game jerseys are size 50
let me know thanks

[allstarsplus]

Re: washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

Marcus - I thought he wore a 48 in 2005.

Did you get the jersey direct from the Nationals or from someone else?

[mchmaj]

Re: washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

i am third party owner of the nationals guzman and church jerseys
they came from nationals ....


you got me there, i thought u were so sure but now you are not.....
i did checked getty images and guzman did wear size 50 because ryan church worn size 48 and they are much different sizes in pictures
thanks

[allstarsplus]

Re: washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

i am third party owner of the nationals guzman and church jerseys
they came from nationals ....


you got me there, i thought u were so sure but now you are not.....
i did checked getty images and guzman did wear size 50 because ryan church worn size 48 and they are much different sizes in pictures
thanks

Somebody just forwarded pictures with a note to DON'T BOTHER.

I looked at the pictures which show your email address and I have to agree.

There is a wash tag that clearly was removed from the inside seam as you can see the fabric remnants and a new 0062 wash tag has been sewn above the seam.

Then you have a 2005 year tag with no Set # which was very common on 2005 inaugural Nationals jerseys. We have had discussions about Livan Hernandez 2005 jerseys with Set tags going to Set 6 and possibly higher. In 2006 they did Set 1, Set 2 and Set +. In 2007 and 2008 that just did year tags.

Also odd is the 2005 year tag was sewn down vertically. I know that there were some clubhouse alterations made to shorten some Set 1 jerseys like Jose Guillen's and they horizontally sewed across the Year/Set tag.

The Majestic tag may have been altered but why BOTHER since there are so many other red flags.

Now I can guess why you didn't POST PHOTOS in the first place.

[mchmaj]

Re: washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

you the one who i sent an email of the pictures ???
why are you making this in PUBLIC ???
why cannot u email me these information personally ?
this nationals guzman jersey is LEGIT , and nationals has the 2005 tagging like my guzman and you know that theres common practice for some MLB teams to remove 6200 then added 0062 tagging inside
i can post pictures here i got nothing to hide
nice going !
marcus

[mchmaj]

Re: washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

heres pictures and i need help if this jersey is LEGIT
i noticed that you are saying this jersey is common for 2005 nationals jerseys , what do u mean ? the store sells all jerseys with tagged 2005 like this ???

and u said there are other many red flag on this jersey ?
as you know if there is someone who try make this jersey real, they wuld put 0062 tagging under the cut off tag ...
the majestic tag is NOT altered, and please do not assume beacuse at first you said "I THOUGHT he worn size 50" so i can see that you are not so sure.
i am a honest guy here and i am not trying to fool anyone
thanks

[allstarsplus]

Re: washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

you the one who i sent an email of the pictures ???
why are you making this in PUBLIC ???
why cannot u email me these information personally ?
this nationals guzman jersey is LEGIT , and nationals has the 2005 tagging like my guzman and you know that theres common practice for some MLB teams to remove 6200 then added 0062 tagging inside
i can post pictures here i got nothing to hide
nice going !
marcus

You didn't send to me. I got a GMAIL forwarded email from someone you sent them to.

Why hide this in personal emails when this Forum is here to bring game used collectors together and help hobbyists educate each other.

If you have nothing to hide, then Post the photos and explain how you have a legit jersey if you bought it from a 3rd party. I am not accusing you of anything because you could have bought it this way, but this jersey has more problems than just the Wash Tag.

The great thing is that the Nationals have had the same gentleman running their Clubhouse since 2005 named Mike Wallace so after you Post the photos I will send this link to him as well as Glenn Szymanski who was the man in charge of selling the jerseys for FMI in 2005 at the stadium.

theres common practice for some MLB teams to remove 6200 then added 0062 tagging inside THIS IS HILARIOUS. ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!! Where can you show anyone that this is a common practice????

Please Post the photos. Thanks.

[mchmaj]

Re: washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

there were discussion on this forum about 0062 tagging sewn on over the seam, and there are red flags on 0062 that has 0503B2 tagged on it ....
my guzman and church doesnt have that fake "0503B2" numbers code on the 0062 tag
so hoenstly i think my two nationals jerseys are LEGIT and they are made for extras during 2005 season
thanks
marcus

[kylehess10]

Re: washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

there were discussion on this forum about 0062 tagging sewn on over the seam, and there are red flags on 0062 that has 0503B2 tagged on it ....
my guzman and church doesnt have that fake "0503B2" numbers code on the 0062 tag
so hoenstly i think my two nationals jerseys are LEGIT and they are made for extras during 2005 season
thanks
marcus

I have NEVER seen a year tag sewn on like that. Being that the size is wrong and the 0062 tag is sewn OVER the seam AND the year tag is sewn onto the jersey instead of hanging off; then I have no doubt in my mind that this jersey is not legit.

[allstarsplus]

Re: washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

heres pictures and i need help if this jersey is LEGIT
i noticed that you are saying this jersey is common for 2005 nationals jerseys , what do u mean ? the store sells all jerseys with tagged 2005 like this ???

and u said there are other many red flag on this jersey ?
as you know if there is someone who try make this jersey real, they wuld put 0062 tagging under the cut off tag ...
the majestic tag is NOT altered, and please do not assume beacuse at first you said "I THOUGHT he worn size 50" so i can see that you are not so sure.
i am a honest guy here and i am not trying to fool anyone
thanks

I saw some additional photos too which included a pic where you can clearly see the remnants of a cutoff wash tag.

You may be an honest guy, but this jersey has RED FLAGS. Again, I am not saying you altered the jersey in any way but how can you be sure the person you bought it from didn't alter it?

Where can you show legit jerseys with 0062 tags sewn above the seam?

By the way, I never said I thought he worn size 50 as I said I thought he wore a Size 48 in 2005 and I was only referring to 2005 and yes, he could have worn multiple sizes so in this case there are other issues vs the size. We could also exactly measure out the size of the jersey to see if it measures exactly to a size 50.

[mchmaj]

Re: washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

of course i always do my homework before buying jerseys
yes there are some MLB teams that has 0062 tagging sewn over the seams.
heres links on this forum ...

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=13960&highlight=6200+0062

other on fake 0062 case

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=5174&highlight=6200+0062

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_f...ead.php?t=5582

let me know
thanks
marcus

[mchmaj]

Re: washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

"This fraudulent technique is actually poor. I have seen one jersey that had the stitching completely taken apart on one side and then restitched with the 0062 tag. Only if you look closely, you will see parts of the old stitch marks."

this quote i took from one of forum member that says about fraud 0062 tagging sewn over seam.

the point of this is that I DO NOT see any restitched or any parts of old stitch marks on the majestic, 0062, and 2005 tags

[mchmaj]

Re: washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

I have NEVER seen a year tag sewn on like that. Being that the size is wrong and the 0062 tag is sewn OVER the seam AND the year tag is sewn onto the jersey instead of hanging off; then I have no doubt in my mind that this jersey is not legit.

what do u mean size is wrong ?? guzman worn size 50 ...
now i dont know what to say anymore , seem i was burned but i am not going to give up, i still think the guzman jersey is legit , maybe it was made extras ?? Then why the person that sold me church and guzman jerseys came from nationals ? he did mentioned majestic factory made these extras for the Nationals during 2005 season
let me know more please
thanks