washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

[allstarsplus]

Re: washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

okay then do u read some old discussion on this forum about 0062 sewn over the seam that came directly from MLB team garage sales
i suggest you to do your homework

next time dont email me for pictures then ATTACK me on this forum , seem you got issues , dont put it on me and i did nothing wrong here !
we are learning something new everyday !
thank you !

Marcus - I never emailed you for pictures. I promise you that. Someone sent them to me. Believe me or not is up to you.

The same is how I honestly feel about you. I believe that you bought these from someone else, but some people are trying to help you out and don't make bad things worse.

Many of us have bought problem items and the best advice I can give you is to go back to the guy that you bought them from and try to get a refund. This is perfect FBI stuff.

can anyone help me out here ??? i would like anyone of you that owns nationals white game issued/worn 2005 jerseys that has 2005 tagging , i want to see the example of flag tagging and how it is sewn with the majestic tag pls email me or attachment of the 2005 tag picture on this post
let me know
thanks
marcus

I will try to send you some pics later.

[mchmaj]

Re: washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

thanks

[allstarsplus]

Re: washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

Remember how I pointed out the easy red flags, I found 2 more things when I went through my jersey collection that is further proof your Guzman is not a legit game used.

#1 The set year tag when looking at the jersey was to the left of the size tag. They put custom alterations flag tag to the right of the size tag (where applicable)

#2 On top of the 0062 wash tag, the Nats put any alteration tag and another size tag!!!!

#3 None of the 0062 wash tags were sewn on top of the seam!!!

As promised, here's lots of photos!!!!

[treasurechest collectibles]

Re: washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

Why are we helping this character? Like I said before, if you look at his previous posts he has a sad history of mis-representing items he has for sale. Ie. the Lebron and Mc Grady jersey he said was game worn/ then issued/ then from " an NBA factory???"

The Mc Nabb jersey he had for sale was "game worn," then he was called on it and said it was issued. He consistently blasts other members with his so-called knowledge and condescending attitude. Marcus remember when you called out "33bird" and said publicly he was greedy for not selling you a jersey at the price you wanted? Or remember when you said a Jim Kelly jersey for sale awhile back was not real? Trust me, I can go on and on. Why is is that when your questioned you are so offensive? But yet, you feel the need to chime in when someone has something not to your liking??

Marcus, you were warned about this previous bad conduct by others including Rudy when he tutored you on the difference between game worn/issued and something from a supposed NBA factory. Great thing about this forum is that one mistake or error is forgiven...when you constantly misrepresent items it looks like your trying to pull one over on us.

Cliffs notes: This guy has more stories then a childrens book.
-P.K.

[allstarsplus]

Re: washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

Why are we helping this character? -P.K.

P.K. - I hear ya, and I don't know his past history. If he has a history of these same issues, then maybe I was wrong about him.

I took his word on face value that he purchased from a 3rd party and is a victim. If that isn't true, like I said, this is a great jersey that the FBI should find where it came from. Someone went to great lengths on this jersey to add 0062 wash tag and size 50 tag and 2005 year tag so this most likely is not an isolated incident.

There is so much junk out there, and that is a shame.

I believe that all For Sale threads should have photos attached so someone doesn't purchase these jerseys without the ability for the many good citizens on the Forum to help analyze from photos.

[markfd]

Re: washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

[/quote] I believe that all For Sale threads should have photos attached so someone doesn't purchase these jerseys without the ability for the many good citizens on the Forum to help analyze from photos.[/quote]

I agree Andrew, if you are going to sell something post photos, after all someone is going to ask you for them anyway if they are an educated collector. It also allows for honest discussion and criticism as happened in this case. Finally, I for one would rather see the photos here on the forum than filling up my inbox.

Mark
markfd@hotmail.com
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Always Collecting Nationals and Yankees Game Used Items

[allstarsplus]

Re: washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

I believe that all For Sale threads should have photos attached so someone doesn't purchase these jerseys without the ability for the many good citizens on the Forum to help analyze from photos.

I agree Andrew, if you are going to sell something post photos, after all someone is going to ask you for them anyway if they are an educated collector. It also allows for honest discussion and criticism as happened in this case. Finally, I for one would rather see the photos here on the forum than filling up my inbox.

Mark

AMEN BROTHER! Well said! Hopefully the Admins should think this through as a requirement.

[dcrules01]

Re: washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

Andrew I find this thread amusing because he obviously does not know you actually deal with the National players directly and have a sweet luxury box that you have invited members of this board to for free.If I was ever to buy anything from the Washington Nationals there is only one person I would deal with.And that is Andrew Lang who I hold in the highest regard in the Collecting world and am proud to call him a friend.

From what I see he was not insulting you he was trying to educate you.

[jppopma]

Re: washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

One lesson in policework is to never let the bad guys know how you caught them... I get a sneaking suspicion that there may be some people that wrongly use the information posted here to help them make better fakes. Not just in this case, in general.

I'm certain that these will use our forum as a way to judge or test a fake jersey before they try to sell it. Very sad, but very much a possibility. I will say that the knowledge on here is amazing even the smallest of errors are caught quickly (awesome work here Andrew).

So many of the excuses given here are laughable. Teams swapping 0062 for 6200 tags??? One of the best lines I have heard in a long time. That is a Majestic code which we often refer to, but a team could care less about this!

You can put as many bows, ribbons, tags, or whatever on a pile of crap...but it will still smell just the same.

[mchmaj]

Re: washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

Why are we helping this character? Like I said before, if you look at his previous posts he has a sad history of mis-representing items he has for sale. Ie. the Lebron and Mc Grady jersey he said was game worn/ then issued/ then from " an NBA factory???"

The Mc Nabb jersey he had for sale was "game worn," then he was called on it and said it was issued. He consistently blasts other members with his so-called knowledge and condescending attitude. Marcus remember when you called out "33bird" and said publicly he was greedy for not selling you a jersey at the price you wanted? Or remember when you said a Jim Kelly jersey for sale awhile back was not real? Trust me, I can go on and on. Why is is that when your questioned you are so offensive? But yet, you feel the need to chime in when someone has something not to your liking??

Marcus, you were warned about this previous bad conduct by others including Rudy when he tutored you on the difference between game worn/issued and something from a supposed NBA factory. Great thing about this forum is that one mistake or error is forgiven...when you constantly misrepresent items it looks like your trying to pull one over on us.

Cliffs notes: This guy has more stories then a childrens book.
-P.K.

hey man
you shuld take it easy !
not like i doing this on purpose , i did not know anything much about MLB and i sent pictures to one guy and that guy is good friend with allstarsplus , then i told the guy who asks for pictures that i didnt meant to misleading that guzman is game worn because i checked my post and i didnt label guzman as game worn so i am sorry about this

can you move on !? i am sure we all learning something new everyday here , sometime something we did wrong in the past we improved alot..

for the fact we do remmy negative alot but we remmy less about positive

for example dont you remmy about USC and buffalo bills jerseyshad lift some questions ?? i was there and helped about USC FAKE JERSEYS , it was brought up on forum from one of auction that doing tailoring on USC jerseys and i knew they are store bought jerseys making up into gamers....

for the buffalo bills i helped some guys there and here....

i am a good man here
you dont need to pull me down and where is your supportive ??
what allstarsplus did was great !!! he was more than happy to help me with informations and he went ahead and post pictures on this post , i need more good men here and the less negative engery people that pull down others

thank you !

[mchmaj]

Re: washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

So many of the excuses given here are laughable. Teams swapping 0062 for 6200 tags??? One of the best lines I have heard in a long time. That is a Majestic code which we often refer to, but a team could care less about this!

You can put as many bows, ribbons, tags, or whatever on a pile of crap...but it will still smell just the same.

i am sorry but thats the fact that some MLB teams done that , you can check old posts by searching 6200 0062 for keywords and u will be surprised .. for example PADRES practices that as sewing 0062 over the seam. thats why i was alittle hard on guzman until allstarplus showed me the inside tagging then i will have to burn this guzman jersey !

[allstarsplus]

Re: washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

One lesson in policework is to never let the bad guys know how you caught them... I get a sneaking suspicion that there may be some people that wrongly use the information posted here to help them make better fakes. Not just in this case, in general.

I'm certain that these will use our forum as a way to judge or test a fake jersey before they try to sell it. Very sad, but very much a possibility. I will say that the knowledge on here is amazing even the smallest of errors are caught quickly (awesome work here Andrew).

So many of the excuses given here are laughable. Teams swapping 0062 for 6200 tags??? One of the best lines I have heard in a long time. That is a Majestic code which we often refer to, but a team could care less about this!

You can put as many bows, ribbons, tags, or whatever on a pile of crap...but it will still smell just the same.

Originally Posted by dcrules01 Andrew I find this thread amusing because he obviously does not know you actually deal with the National players directly and have a sweet luxury box that you have invited members of this board to for free.If I was ever to buy anything from the Washington Nationals there is only one person I would deal with.And that is Andrew Lang who I hold in the highest regard in the Collecting world and am proud to call him a friend.

From what I see he was not insulting you he was trying to educate you.

Thanks guys, very kind words. I am just lucky that I know Washington Nationals items and I can break bad and pull from my own collection and show the visual evidence. I am sure that jersey will measure out as a 48 or 52 so the problems with that jersey are probably beyond the obvious.

I am most intrigued by what Marcus is claiming is a San Diego Padres norm of sewing the 0062 wash tag over the seam. Does anyone know if that is accurate?

One lesson in policework is to never let the bad guys know how you caught them... I get a sneaking suspicion that there may be some people that wrongly use the information posted here to help them make better fakes. Not just in this case, in general.

I agree with you on this, but I decided to lay out all the cards and prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt and Marcus finally agreed so that is a good conclusion.

I agree with you that we do such a good job of education on here that the very good fake of a jersey could be done and we may never catch it. I believe that someone has made duped 0062 wash tags and has extra flag tags and with today's technology it could always be in the realm of possibilites that someone can even dupe fake MLB holograms (although I haven't seen this). They can research correct sizes etc. but usually get caught up in their own greed as they cut corners based on missing something in their research of correct player characteristics. This is why this Guzman which is an obvious fake needs to be investigated to find out where the fake 0062 tag came from and follow that back to where it originated from.

This is why I am so interested in this auction. http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_f...ad.php?t=19258
This jersey has many parallels to this Guzy but still has a 6200 wash tag, but has a hologram which I want to examine. The Majestic tag appears to be tampered with also. This jersey has a sig and G/U inscription.

Right now on eBay there is exactly 1,580 game used/worn jerseys covering the 4 major sports and colleges. Thats a lot of fabric!!!!

Everyone keep up the good work!

[mchmaj]

Re: washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

i did posted links of 0062 sewn over seam that some MLB teams did that and you guys overlooked that ?? i even posted a link about fake copying 0062 tagging to put on the jerseys. there are codes that you could tell the 0062 tag itself is fake ...

padres does 0062 sewn over the seam
http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_f...ight=6200+0062

other on fake 0062 case with codes that can tell 0062 itself is fake ...
http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_f...ight=6200+0062


http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_f...ead.php?t=5582

i know the guzman nationals jersey has too many red flags on it
BUT the 0062 tag itself is legit .....however it doesnt have set 1,2 or size tag inside with the 0062 taggings...

i always research before i buy anything but seem i did some research and i went ahead and buy the nationals jerseys. what i could have done is to ask ALLSTARSPLUS about nationals jerseys and showing him jerseys before i buy them !
thanks allstarsplus
marcus

[kingjammy24]

Re: washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

i did posted links of 0062 sewn over seam that some MLB teams did that and you guys overlooked that ??

padres does 0062 sewn over the seam

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_f...ight=6200+0062

marcus

marcus

did you even read that thread that you posted about the padres? the tag wasn't sewn over the seam. did you even look at the pictures?

from r.c. walker, in the thread you posted: "I thought I found one which had been re-sewn!.. When I looked closer, I notice a small fold. Pulling it back I found the tag had indeed been sewn in the proper way."

the only person who overlooked anything was you. it seems you barely skimmed a thread where r.c. walker said that the tag on one of his padres shirts was folded in a way that made it appear as if it was sewn over the seam but it really wasn't and you then came on here and said it was "common practice for some MLB teams to remove 6200 then added 0062 tagging inside". one shirt from one team had a folded tag that gave the illusion that it was sewn over the seam and this, to you, means that some MLB teams employ a common practice to sew the tags over the seams. sweet jesus.

"i am sorry but thats the fact that some MLB teams done that.."
"for example PADRES practices that as sewing 0062 over the seam"
"i did not know anything much about MLB"
"i dont know much about MLB jerseys and i saw this 2005 tagged i know its real"

marcus, for the good of the hobby, if you don't much about MLB jerseys i think it would behoove everyone, including yourself, if you didn't sell them. the last thing anyone needs is someone buying and selling items they don't understand.

anyway, just to add something to this thread.. awhile back grey flannel was selling a red-alt redsox varitek gamer with steiner certs. the wash tags had been removed and resewn. aside from the tags being removed and resewn, i think the resewn tag may be a case, identical to r.c. walker's experience, where the tag is folded at the top in such a way that gives the illusion that it's sewn on top of the seam. the resewn varitek tag may very well be sewn properly within the seam.

http://www.gameuseduniverse.com/vb_forum/showthread.php?t=12516

rudy.

[mchmaj]

Re: washington nationals GUZMAN 2005 jersey

yeah
you are right
thank you for more info....
sometime i do think BIG on the jerseys i buys and i sometime overlooked some other things such as the guzman jersey..
thank you for tips because i wuld be in serious trouble if i didnt learn those red flags on the guzman jersey as i wuld sell it on ebay or someone on forum .....
i will ask for refund on church and guzman jerseys
many thanks !!!!
i am more of into college and NFL game jerseys than MLBs but i want to learn more about mlb gamers because i am living in southern california and theres baseball everywhere

marcus